For those who think that NPC corp tax at 0% is stupid in dust because it's at 11% in EVE NPC corps and it incentivises staying in an NPC corp, think about the new player experience a bit. They already have enough to contend with, taking a chunk out of their earnings for no easily fixable reason isn't particularly conducive to a newbie friendly environment.

Mind you, it IS worth noting that joining corps should be encouraged, not discouraged like this.

For those who think that NPC corp tax at 0% is stupid in dust because it's at 11% in EVE NPC corps and it incentivises staying in an NPC corp, think about the new player experience a bit. They already have enough to contend with, taking a chunk out of their earnings for no easily fixable reason isn't particularly conducive to a newbie friendly environment.

Mind you, it IS worth noting that joining corps should be encouraged, not discouraged like this.

No disadvantage whatsoever to being in an NPC corp at all.

The problem is you have now created an economic incentive for people to not play together to avoid taxation.

Regarding not charging NPC corporations we did this for 2 reasons:

- It would be a massive nerf across the board to income, the ISK just goes missing because it goes to NPCs
- It is just not a good incentive to form social groups, we would rather people form corporations to play together, not just to avoid taxation.

You make a very valid point, especially since that is how the SP one works. I believe we are considering this a defect and filing a report on it now. :)

It's going to be a low priority thing though, so no ETA on a fix.

Then ppl will make one man corps like they do in eve to avoid taxation.

It's not that you have to give half of your earned isk to your corp, like some ppl make it out to be.

The assumption is that you will make less isk as a result of not being in a corp. I've not been in an NPC corp lately, but generally when I squad (with my corp) I make more isk than not having squaded (especially as a logi).

If there is an incentive, its more that players not commit to a corporation rather than not play together. Nuanced yes. But that means that it will be the corporation's responsibility to create content that people will value above the % they give to corp.

SO you released a dev blog after the patch is content locked

Once again the dust 514 devs make it obviously clear what they think of "player feedback"

guys nothing we say in this thread can change anything it's already done they can not change a thing.

I still love the change and I'm glad it's making it in but it doesn't nothing to restore my faith they care about feedback.

You will NOT have to reset it, the tax rate will already be set and ready to go! :D

The problem is you have now created an economic incentive for people to not play together to avoid taxation.

We don't want to incentivise players leaving NPC corps, we want to incentivise them playing and socializing with other players by joining player corps. It is a subtle but very important distinction to make and a good example of where just copying EVE should not be the default decision.

Um... actually thats just a test map. Please don't read into it. We do stupid stuff in test maps. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING COMING OUT! :(

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I didn't argue for npc corps to have taxes on the simple fact regular player corporations don't have enough benefits rolling for them to force players to avoid taxation via corp exiting. Once corps have far better tools such as armories, roles, and the like then I can see pushing for a npc tax increase as corps can reliably provide better services than the npc counter parts and knowing that isk is going towards something useful.

As for now the most useful things your corp taxes pay for is for vehicle pilot compensation, prototype ace compensation, and Planetary Conquest purchases such as clones and ringers. Also I guess corporation advertising agencies purchases for posters, adverts, and movies.

Once all those other tools becomes available more things should be more possible for the corp such as stocking up guns and vehicles for corporation use, buying assets and the sorts. As it stands now the only advantage a player corp can really have is the social aspect.

So that should be a thing to pursue to make being in a player corp an 'advantage' over the npc corp. After all after this change, you can easily hotfix npc corp taxes in once the criteria is met.

So we had a massive thread about corp tax a while ago (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67713). We reviewed all the feedback in that and discussed it with the CPM. For such a small feature it was quite heavily consulted on.

The real catch with having an NPC tax rate in DUST is you can easily work around it by starting a 1 man corporation to earn more ISK. We don't want to incentivise players leaving NPC corps, we want to incentivise them playing and socializing with other players by joining player corps. It is a subtle but very important distinction to make and a good example of where just copying EVE should not be the default decision.

What we will continue to work on is the concept of group earning so your tax money gets put to good use and hopefully earns you a greater return than if you just played solo in an NPC corp. The whole being greater than the sum of the parts type deal. We also have plans to help corporations recruit more effectively and share their wealth with their members, but more on this later.

Thanks for all the comments so far.

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