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CCP Mintchip
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:54:00 -
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Taxes are lame! DUST514's Corporation Tax is not! Learn about an upcoming new feature to be released in Uprising 1.4 in this new dev blog from CCP Foxfour! You will be able to tax your corp members! Woo! TAXES! Fun!
CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:08:00 -
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I was busy posting this to Reddit in order to get my karma instead of getting first post. :P
Hope you guys enjoy! :D
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:10:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:what if i am in a EVE corp?
From the dev blog wrote:Corporation tax rates will be identical for both EVE Online and DUST 514, so if you have members from both games in your corporation they will all be taxed the same.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP Logibro
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:13:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Socksfour, Lord of Tax wrote:One Tax to rule them all, One Tax to find them,
One Tax to charge them all and in the deductions bind them In the Land of Iceland where the Socks lie.
FTFY
But yes, Taxes and Timestamps are a thing. This makes me so happy.
CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:14:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:That third screenshot, is that water?
Um... actually thats just a test map. Please don't read into it. We do stupid stuff in test maps. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING COMING OUT! :(
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:16:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:That third screenshot, is that water?
Coming soon to Dust 514, Jet Skis! |
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:18:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Thanks for this. I already set a tax of 2.5% in the eve client. Will I have to reset it again or will it work straight away?
And the time stamps.... Awesome!
You will NOT have to reset it, the tax rate will already be set and ready to go! :D
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:21:00 -
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Absolute Idiom II wrote:So if the tax rates are supposed to be the same for Eve and Dust players - then why do Dust NPC corps only charge 0% tax to Dust players but 11% to EVE players?
Not saying you should definitely bring the Dust NPC rate all the way to 11%, but if you don't make it non-zero you'll have the same issues with incentives to be in no corp as there used to be for Eve. Please can you use the existing knowledge and experience we have from Eve in this situation and re-assess?
What we mean is that if a corporation has the tax rate set it will be applied the same to DUST players and EVE players in the corporation.
DUST NPC corporations are different corporations than EVE NPC corporations... they are nicer.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:23:00 -
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jamstar saa187 wrote:So this is only for the PC corps (as the Dev blog says NPC corps will have a 0% tax rate).
my query is: will 'ringers' be taxed if they are brought in to play a PC battle on behalf of another corp?
eg: Clone x is from a NPC corp, but gets drafted in to play for an Eon corp (just used that alliance because they are the current flavor of the month), will i be taxed if i'm on the winning side for a PC battle? if yes, how will i know what rate the PC corp is charging at?
The tax rate is based on the individuals corp, not the corp they are fighting for in PC. |
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:27:00 -
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To be clear, ISK earned from EVE pilots will go to the EVE corporation wallet and ISK earned from DUST players will go to the DUST wallet.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:28:00 -
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Regarding not charging NPC corporations we did this for 2 reasons:
- It would be a massive nerf across the board to income, the ISK just goes missing because it goes to NPCs
- It is just not a good incentive to form social groups, we would rather people form corporations to play together, not just to avoid taxation. |
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:28:00 -
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jamstar saa187 wrote:DeeJay One wrote:jamstar saa187 wrote:So this is only for the PC corps (as the Dev blog says NPC corps will have a 0% tax rate).
You got it all wrong. It's for normal corporations. If you're a member of an NPC corp you don't get taxed. This has nothing (well, almost) to do with contract payouts ;) my bad. i took NPC to mean Non Planetary Conquest, not Non Personal Computer, which i think is what you meant
Non Player Character, sorry. :)
As in the corporations that don't have a player CEO versus the player run corporations.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:36:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:I must say one thing about this, though, based on the screenshot: I really wish that it was the actual payout that was featured in the middle of the big income circle, rather than the "pre-tax" payout. It's very misleading, and I can't help but imagine that even an aspiring financier like me will slip up every once in a while and record the wrong thing on my data spreadsheet.
You make a very valid point, especially since that is how the SP one works. I believe we are considering this a defect and filing a report on it now. :)
It's going to be a low priority thing though, so no ETA on a fix.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:05:00 -
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So we had a massive thread about corp tax a while ago (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67713). We reviewed all the feedback in that and discussed it with the CPM. For such a small feature it was quite heavily consulted on.
The real catch with having an NPC tax rate in DUST is you can easily work around it by starting a 1 man corporation to earn more ISK. We don't want to incentivise players leaving NPC corps, we want to incentivise them playing and socializing with other players by joining player corps. It is a subtle but very important distinction to make and a good example of where just copying EVE should not be the default decision.
What we will continue to work on is the concept of group earning so your tax money gets put to good use and hopefully earns you a greater return than if you just played solo in an NPC corp. The whole being greater than the sum of the parts type deal. We also have plans to help corporations recruit more effectively and share their wealth with their members, but more on this later.
Thanks for all the comments so far. |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:22:00 -
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Actually I will add one more thought to this discussion, our design decisions are heavily metrics based these days. We are tracking the progression of players joining player corporations and will be watching how this data is affected after this change.
If it turns out to be the wrong call and we see a big drop then we will of course review why and make additional changes. |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2013.08.22 01:26:00 -
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It's 2 decimal places in EVE, we kept it the same for consistency seeing as they are the same tax figure. |
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