The thing all logi suits need is that they need to have the exact same slot layout as the assault counterpart, with one less low due to the passive rep bonus.

If you change the bonus, however, the Assaults and Logis need to have exactly the same slot layout.

To me, it's the slot layout that make Logis about to tank, and assault better.

The Gal suits have been UP due Armor being crap, and like you said, there are discrepancies in the skills with useless skills, and no real difference to seperate them from caldaris besides swapped health values and swapped slot layouts. I propose a speed bump to somewhere between the Caldari speed, and the min speed, that way armor would affect them less.

tl;dr, give the logis the slot layout of the assault suits (keep equipment slots of course), give the gal suits useful skills, things like bonuses to armor mods, bump the Gallante suits base speed to faster then Caldari, slower then minmatar.

A bonus to light weapons isn't as useful for minmatar assault suits since they get bonuses to sidearms. I cash in on its 5% bonus sidearm clipsize and only use sidearms (Many others do that as well). A bonus to all weapon damage would be better.

Then Logis should get a sidearm or the same HP and speed like an assault .
Man logis pay something for their slot layout. For me it seems fairly balanced at least until CCP introduces the new logi bonusses.

Gal Assault:
More EHP
More Base Speed (and just in case you don't know there is no way to increase base and strafe speed through a module)
More Strafe Speed
More Sprint speed
More Stamina
Sidearm (believe it or not the Sidearm allows some pretty neat combos in terms of combat efficiency)
Faster Shield recharge
Better Shield delay
up to 25% to Shieldrecharge through skill (recording to IRC that may change with 1.4) that 5HP/sec


Gal Logis
More CPU
More PG
1 more Low Slot
3 more Quipment Slots
up to 5 HP/sec armor repair.

Seems halfway balanced to me.

I partially agree with you, but it's worth noting that the Gallente Assault doesn't actually have more EHP at the prototype level as the extra low slot on the proto gal logi allows it to surpass the tank.

It should also be noted that the shield recharge and delay is effectively a non-factor on Gallente suits, as they primarily armour tank.

I partially agree with you, but it's worth noting that the Gallente Assault doesn't actually have more EHP at the prototype level as the extra low slot on the proto gal logi allows it to surpass the tank.

It should also be noted that the shield recharge and delay is effectively a non-factor on Gallente suits, as they primarily armour tank.

I agree on different bonus, but not on damage, less CPU/PG usage for weapons or more stamina, but nothing that affect damage or eHP.

Does that mean you want a change to the Cal assault's bonus? it effects eHP

Change the bonus system altogether because the tagging system is too flawed and blanket bonuses suck for suits that can't take advantage of it:

Basic Racial bonus - Stacks with class suits (X bonus per level in basic suit)
Class Suit Bonus - Better themed for racial characteristics (Flat bonus for unlocking the suit)
Racial Class Bonus - Personalizes the suit further (X bonus per level in class suit)

Does that mean you want a change to the Cal assault's bonus? it effects eHP

Ok.
Good research done OP. You have a clear understanding of the numbers involved.

Being fully skilled into Gallente suits, I have a clear understanding of those numbers in action on the field, so I'll weigh in a little bit.

Gallente Suit playstyle:
- Gallente Logi suits are VERY slow. Because of that inability to change engagement distance at will, they are best played at mid-range, and watching allied flanks. I usually go with 2 reps and 3 armor plates. Anything else in my lows feels like a waste.

- Gallente Assault suits are much faster than the Logi counterparts. You can flank, rush, and engage from any distance, and make quick escapes if needed. Paying attention and using the environment CAN make up for the native armor rep not being there. When you attack, as Gallente, GO FOR THE KILL, and do not make the firefight drag on, because your armor is not designed for that. You have a higher chance of winning the brawl itself because utility weapons are weaker vs. armor, but if you let the fight drag on, by doing little strafe fights here and there, it won't work out for you.

Gallente vs. Caldari
- I agree that the Gallente assault bonus of reduction to hybrid weapon cpu use is of little benefit.... the BIGGEST reason being because the Gallente suits are the absolute best when combined with laser weaponry, NOT hybrid.
A spec'd Gallente Assault/Logi suit with a spec'd Scrambler Rifle or Assault Scrambler Rifle WILL WITHOUT FAIL out-dps and kill a Caldari suit using an AR. The numbers are on your side, and if you have sufficient skill, you WILL win EVERY time.
AR is weakened vs. armor. even with proficiency, most Caldari suit users don't like to utilize damage mods, preffering to rely on their shield tank.
SCR is powerful vs. shields. add proficiency and damage mods to this equation, since you do not require shield defense, and you will chew through 400-500+ shield HP, in nearly a 1/6 to 1/4 the time it'll take for that Caldari to chew through your armor.
The key is to close the gap on that caldari player fast. Catch him and he's dead, but you can't afford to let the fight drag on.
The armor bonus coming 1.4 is only going to further guarantee the outcome.

TL;DR
Gallente suits w/ scrambler rifles and assault scrambler rifles have the advantage vs. Caldari suits w/ assault rifles. The Gallente weakness comes in, because it's grossly weak vs. everything else. A different passive skill bonus for the Gal assault suit would make the difference.

The logi can fit just one kinetic calalyzer and surpass the speed of the assault, and still have more HP thanks to having one more slot, and the repair bonus. 1 more slot than assault (can be used for an extra plate), and one less slot needed for an armor repairer because of the bonus (meaning a slot can be used for a kinetic catalyzer), the result is both more HP more speed.

Yes the Caldari suits are weak against laser weaponry, but that is countered by the fact that Gallente suits are even weaker against explosive weaponry. A Caldari assault with mass driver would wreck a Gallente assault with an assault scramber rifle. Also there is nothing about the Gallente assault that makes it better for the scrambler rifle than any other suit with the scrambler rifle.

Personally I think the slot layouts as they are be bass-ackward.

Should be assaults get 7 high/low

Fatties and sprouts get 6 high/low

Logi get 5 high/low and butt-tons of equipment and bonuses.


right now it's logi 7

Assault 6

Heavies 5

scouts what, 4? 5? ish? scouts need to chime in here

Stuff

The logi can fit just one kinetic calalyzer and surpass the speed of the assault, and still have more HP thanks to having one more slot, and the repair bonus. 1 more slot than assault (can be used for an extra plate), and one less slot needed for an armor repairer because of the bonus (meaning a slot can be used for a kinetic catalyzer), the result is both more HP more speed.

Yes the Caldari suits are weak against laser weaponry, but that is countered by the fact that Gallente suits are even weaker against explosive weaponry. A Caldari assault with mass driver would wreck a Gallente assault with an assault scramber rifle. Also there is nothing about the Gallente assault that makes it better for the scrambler rifle than any other suit with the scrambler rifle.

The main niche of the Gallente suit is the ability to fit proto EQ without losing too much bulk. If we were to give them 1 less Low slot than a Gallente Assault, it would completely make them bad Amarrs.

Plus no side-arm hurts like hell.

Alright, the assault have the strafe advantage, but your weapon logic still makes no sense.

I said the Gallente assault has no advantage in USING the scrambler rifle, the fact that it is resistant against scrambler rifles and other laser weapons is irrelevant since a Gallente assault won't be shooting itself. A scrambler rifle is not any deadlier in the hands of a Gallente assault, a Caldari assault, or a Minmatar assault.

Any advantage the suit itself has to a particular weapon type (lasers) is already balanced by its weakness to another weapon type (explosives). Every suit has their own strengths and weaknesses against particular weapon types anyway, so being strong against lasers is already balanced out; frankly the weakness against explosives weighs much more on the suit.

You dismiss the use of Caldari assaults with mass drivers being used against Gallente assaults with scrambler rifles as circumstantial, but so is your example of Gallente assault with scrambler rifle vs Caldari assault with AR; not every Caldari assault uses ARs, and not every Gallente assault uses a scrambler rifle.

[Gallente vs Caldari]
Now, lets consider the Gallente assault suit by comparing it to its Caldari counterpart. . . there are no advantages to using the Gallente instead of the Caldari assaults. . . On top of that the Caldari assault has the amazing 25% shield extender bonus to tank even more without sacrifice. What does the Gallente assault get? just some PG/CPU reduction thing for hybrid weapons.