1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Nerf Argon Gas, he's not reactive enough and doesn't play well with others.

Nerf Argon Gas, he's not reactive enough and doesn't play well with others.

Rarely do I die by grenade, typically they are not primed and they are easy to evade.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Grenade throwing distance is limited to that of a midget (no offence to midgets) so unless you are playing tag they serve a tactical purpose. Adapt please.

I would prefer if locus grenades came in 2s instead of 3s, but I find their fuse times a good balancing technique. The more time it takes to cook a grenade, the less DPS it has.

1. The blast radius on my core is far from 7.2 it's more like 3.1 maybe they got radius and diameter mixed up. 2. Fitting a grenade isn't easy. I need Eng and Elec 5 with a complex cpu mod and explosives 4 to fit everything I run. 3. You mean the grenade that cost me 1.2m sp? About 2 proto weapons worth? And half a protosuit, that **** better be op. 3. You can only spam nades with protohives which are also a pain in the ass to fit unless thats all you aim for.

Nerf Argon Gas, he's not reactive enough and doesn't play well with others.

This line made me chuckle for the first time today.

Made me laugh when I thought about how few people would actually understand it.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Only if the MD gets its damage set back to 80/120 and the explosion has a normal fall off from the center. Grenades are my only counters to MDs and most of the time 1 is not enough.

That's a different problem really.
When I hear a MD I just run and try to see where he is from a distance.
Then I figure out what to do from there.
It works, and it's much better than figuring out where he is in a cloud of smoke.

If you're in close range you're boned though.

LOL
You have no clue.
Even then, ask all the people who walked around a corner only to be insta killed by my perfectly cooked grenade.
Over
And over
And over

Aren't these grenades from Replication?

You know... the build where Heavies could tank close to 2000 armor...
had Scout suits with enough ehp to rival the proto Caldari suits we have now...
And Assault suits that would kill you with a glance?

:P




Oh, and everything had 2x the base speed too.

Replication
Uprising > replication > E3 > Precursor > Codex > Chromosome >Uprising (Or something like that...)

Congrats welcome aboard the noonecareswedoittootrain. That's a legit tactic whats the problem? Did you forget its an explosive?

I believe they are.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Get in a militia suit and see what a militia locus grenade will do to you. They kill you instantly.

Now get in a proto suit and see what a core locus grenade will do to you. It kills you almost instantly. Grenades are balanced exactly how they should be, Proto grenades are designed to take out proto suits, with the added shields and speed that proto suits can apply. When you are against equipment similar to your own, fire fights aren't supposed to take longer than they do at militia level.

Militia grenades shouldn't instantly kill a militia suit, and proto grenades shouldn't instantly kill a proto suit.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Rarely do I die by grenade, typically they are not primed and they are easy to evade.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Aren't these grenades from Replication?

You know... the build where Heavies could tank close to 2000 armor...
had Scout suits with enough ehp to rival the proto Caldari suits we have now...
And Assault suits that would kill you with a glance?

:P




Oh, and everything had 2x the base speed too.

Replication
Uprising > replication > E3 > Precursor > Codex > Chromosome >Uprising (Or something like that...)

The fuse could be made longer, this would mean more time to get away from uncooked grenades. It would also reward grenade cooking skills. This would not be a nerf nor a buff but would effectively solve the grenade spam problem.

That is a nice solution to the OP's problem. Currently it is a 6 sec fuse, so taking it up to 8 sec would be pretty reasonable for a first move towards balancing the grenade more. Alot can happen in 2 sec. after all.

I'm an expert at cooking my core locus grenades and air bursting them over peoples heads. Right now I'd actually say they are a bit overpowered, but only in pub matches. Proto vs proto with grenades seems fine to me. But core locus vs anything non proto is almost always an instant kill provided you can land the grenade within 3 meters.

I've gotten good enough that I can hit people out to about 50 meters accurately with my grenades while having them well cooked. So inside that range you better be moving around behind your cover or I'll blow you up.

And before you nerf them, CCP should fix the issue where grenades that are laying on the ground don't deal damage to people running over the top of them about half the time. That's enough of a downside by itself right now. I literally have to airburst every grenade I throw to get consistent damage.

Grenades are not OP and I don't feel like they are spammed to the point that I'm always being killed by them. In fact, most games end without me having died a single death by grenade (and I play frontline assault). That said, I've always felt that Nanohives should not replenish grenades. I hate what they did to try and reduce the amount of grenade spam in Uprising, making grenades chew through Nanohives at such a high rate. Here is why:

I spawn, I play for awhile, get a handful of kills and have long since used my 3 grenades, which is fine, because they are not my primary killing tool and it doesn't concern me at all. I'm also running pretty low on ammo and I put down a Nanohive to resupply. Oh, but that's right, I can't even resupply my ammo fully because the 3 grenades that the Nanohive automatically replenishes just ate through all of the nanite clusters in 3 seconds. In this situation, I'm not even trying to spam grenades, I just want more bullets. Too bad the Nanohive doesn't know that

Seriously, it would be much better if they just removed the ability for Nanohives to resupply grenades. Then you wouldn't get totally skewed resupply cycles, there would be less spam and all of us would have to listen to Argon Gas whine about one less thing.

As someone else in this thread said, it takes a lot of SP to unlock Level 5 grenades and even more to be able to fit them on a suit without having to make unreasonable sacrifices. Yes, they should be powerful and their level of power is consistent with the prerequisites required to use them. This does not mean they are inherently OP, it just means something should be done to cut down the spamming of them. I don't think it makes sense to weaken them or reduce the initial capacity because they are being spammed. Rather, they simply should not be resupplied by Nanohives.

They work, so therefore they are overpowered. SIgh................

You said it yourself, everyone has access to them, so how does that give anyone an unfair advantage?

What a lav or 2 can do to an entire team of rifles is dispicable, cheap and cowardly as well as op.

Nothing comes close to the lav in this game.

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Um...ok. This is really weird. I guess I must have missed something. Was the OP actually trolling?
I guess I wouldn't have posted in this thread if there was a dislike button.

You said it yourself, everyone has access to them, so how does that give anyone an unfair advantage?

That was directed towards

Since people on here don't know what reason is if it crawled if their ass and died.

I'm still so confused.
Are you saying "Yes, he tried to prove his argument by proving himself wrong"?

While I'm here, OP, do you realize how absolutely devastating the options to locus grenades are? If anything the Locus variety is the weakest/less impacting of the three. A couple Wyrikomis AVs tear up a vehicle worth millions of ISK. One standard flux and an entire squad of Caldari, Minmatar, or Amarr suits are at half HP or less, not to mention losing all their base equipment. You're calling out imbalance because you might get a few kills for free?

grenades are too good, they aren't situational, they are the first, in between and last thing they do in fire fights. It's a damn shame.

They do, and they should. Grenades are working as intended.




I don't know what you're doing but kills do not take time in this game. Forge guns can kill you instantly. ARs can kill you in 2-3 seconds, SARs are the same. Lasers melt your face off in seconds. Sniper rifles take you out in 1-2 seconds. Shotguns can kill you in 2-3 seconds.

Grenades take 5 seconds to kill. I'm sensing a disparity in the time battles last here.

Cod and bf3 suck. I played those game because it was supposed to be war in video game form. boy was I wrong. This game is different. It actually lets you be a true grenadier. Unlike fair field 3 and call of balance. if you want a fair game just go play sports. This is a war game and it will stay that way.

I say 1-2 nades. No restock from nanohives. Only supply depo's. Even with the supply depo only get 1 restock of the set. Even if you switch out no more nades until you die.

They work, so therefore they are overpowered. SIgh................

You said it yourself, everyone has access to them, so how does that give anyone an unfair advantage?

So is everyone supposed to just unload their AR clip into eachother? Strafe around in circles maybe?
Locus Grenades are tools. Very good tools. They work very well. And the best part is that they aren't extremely situational.

Yes because that's how this shooter was designed.
Grenades break that.
I see a wall of enemies I don't think "Ooh, I should flank and try to surprise them from behind!".
No.
I chuck down a proto hive and spam grenades, and watch as I kill everyone.

LOL
You have no clue.
Even then, ask all the people who walked around a corner only to be insta killed by my perfectly cooked grenade.
Over
And over
And over

So shooters were designed to be like something of the british red coats who stood in a line, fired their weapons, and then return to the back of the ranks while the next line fired and the enemy did as well?

Yea, we see how long that tactic worked for.

You don't "spam" grenades. If you thinking to throw a grenade into a crowd, that isn't spamming, that's smart playing. But a good team recognizes this and stay loose. Even communicating to the entire squad that a grenade is out.

......JL has been in this game for a VERY long time. Prolly as long as I have, and I've been here since the beginning of LAST August. People who have been here this long HAVE seen it all, HAVE been victimized by stuff like this (and FAR worse, Codex Missile Crisis anyone?), HAVE seen how OP things can get, and have a VERY firm grasp of how things in the game balance out. Don't assume that because someone disagrees with your point of view that they haven't talked to people who have been or HAVE BEEN THEMSELVES the person who get's swamped by BS like grenade spamming.

Grenades are at a good point right now. They could possibly do with a longer fuse length (SLIGHTLY longer) or perhaps some longer restock delay (1 grenade per 3-4 nanohive pulses), but there is no need for the draconian nerf you are calling for.

Grenade spamming isn't OP, there just needs to be some more options available to people to counter the tactic. I personally am looking forward to portable shield generators for this very reason.

Actually I have.
This is an alt.
Meow

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

No it is 7.2m.
And no spending SP doesn't mean you should be overpowered.

of course it must be op,i spent 1.2m, 3 week of grinding,lots of rage after i find out they nerf my underpower thukker. now my core locus.....what a bunch of loser you r all with yours nerf fest,go play hello kitty magical adventure nothing op there.so tired of nerf im almost done playing because of cry baby, one word ADDAPT,also cald logi do you know with a single flux he only got 90hp left????? it must be op. btw i never have anithing nerf yet but it **** me off that ccp listen to cry baby that cant addapt

Two words; spelling, and grammar! :P

Two words; spelling, and grammar! :P

Nerf Argon Gas, he's not reactive enough and doesn't play well with others.

I honestly think the only fix we really need is for nades to no longer restock from nanos.

They can be OP as long as they aren't spamable.

I honestly think the only fix we really need is for nades to no longer restock from nanos.

They can be OP as long as they aren't spamable.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Two words; spelling, and grammar! :P

Haha good luck with this, I made a thread about this a while ago and I got eaten alive by the forum members...skilless people love there grenades...

skilless people love there grenades...

It's a grenade. It's designed to be a one hit kill, better yet it's a futuristic grenade designed to kill anyone within its explosive shock wave.

but hey, I'm sure you're better than all of those people.

Instead of nades?!?! You use nova knives and nothing else. Because you're so ******* skilled. You're the best. Everyone who uses weapons and tactics that you disagree with? You're better than them.

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No longer restock is a hard nerf. I feel they should just cost a LOT more nanite clusters and have a ammo capacity of 2.

...not entirely sure if serious?

Edit: That's to say I'm not sure if mis-using a comma and semi-colon in a 5-word post lambasting someone else's grammar was unintentional or meant as a joke.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

the first thing on the list is what makes it all fair.

1.You start with three of those (grenades)


EVERYBODY starts with 3 if they are running grenades.... case closed.... there is nothing "unfair" about grenades. (even though I hate dying by them)

the first thing on the list is what makes it all fair.

1.You start with three of those (grenades)


EVERYBODY starts with 3 if they are running grenades.... case closed.... there is nothing "unfair" about grenades. (even though I hate dying by them)

KBM user here, the unfair part of nades is that i gotta press X to cook em, you try keeping 100% mobility with 1 finger gone from your movement buttons, especially going right :p So for most KBM users the best use out of a grenade is when you see an oppertunity but juggling grenades like in ABP Reloaded, i still cant do that here.

Though unfair should be changed with "Un-Fun", its not fun to encounter a squad of 6 and needing to dodge 18 grenades...because thats whats going on right now.

1. You start with three of those
2. Each does 600 damage, enough to kill ANY advanced medium frame suit and with the bonus enough to kill ANY armor proto suit, and heavily damage any caldari suit.
3. Quick restock from hives
4. Spammable
5. 7.2m blast radius

EVERYONE is using those.
Watch a battle between two proto squads.
Grenades are thrown left and right carelessly, because they are:
TOO PLENTIFUL
TOO POWERFUL


In a game where kills take time, having a weapon that kills as fast as weapons in twitch shooters is just bizzare.
Especially a weapon that has no downsides and is plentiful.

Nerf the carry amount to 1.
There is a reason why COD and Battlefield only let you carry one unless you sacrifice another part of your loadout.

Halve the damage.
300 damage is still a lot.

The grenade spam is just epic.

Dude you have time to run from them, if they cook them it takes time and skill and risk, there for you deserved the grenade to the face. It also takes 1 mil sp to get from adv to proto, no minor sp cost, if you like em skill into em buddy.