+1 agree. dont play CoD either but embarassing how it made this game look like crap. the grenade aiming reticle is really nice.

a mechanic that shows u where ur grenade will land? what a novel idea!!!

shows u how backwards the idiots here are that they dont have one. game has like 20 modes too. WTF ccp, its like this whole game is like one big troll.

you cant have a weapon like the mass driver with a high fire rate, lots of ammo or a fast reload. just watched the CoD trailer and even though i would never buy that piece of crap, its funny how they and bf3 both understand you cant have any explosive weapon with auto fire.

whatevs tho, I guess CCP has been making fps since never so maybe they know something everyone else doesnt.

cracks me up how CCP can add all this other complex background stuff but doesnt have the common sense to get stuff like this right. When this game is dead in 9 months pls remember your choice to be cheap and outsource your game to china and let people with no fps experience make your game killed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2uN1gwxM8o

+1 agree. dont play CoD either but embarassing how it made this game look like crap. the grenade aiming reticle is really nice.

a mechanic that shows u where ur grenade will land? what a novel idea!!!

shows u how backwards the idiots here are that they dont have one. game has like 20 modes too. WTF ccp, its like this whole game is like one big troll.

Indicator to show where your nade lands? Do you also want a prompt to tell you when to shoot?

Are you referring to the developers of the most successful franchise in gaming history as idiots? I'm no fanboy and don't even play it but really lol I wanna be an idiot:D

high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher.

i won't call people over at CoD idiots. Their game, like it or not, made billions.

CCP can make a good point and click MMO PC game, but in regards to a FPS, they have allot to learn. I thought the beta was a good trial and error period, but that proved to be nothing more than error and more errors.

I'm no dev, but explosive weapons in general are something that I feel should be a last resort, or secondary weapon. When you have a primary explosive weapon that has a magazine, with a radius of 3-4m, PLUS ADDITIONAL dmg being dealt to armor, is just plain stupid.

That kind of semi automatic noobery does not belong in FPS.

*Sigh*

CoD is a low health shooter where all explosives are OHK.

DUST is a high health shooter and the MD is not a OHK weapon.

Two totally different beasts.

building a game that rewards the player who is the best at running solo isn't really a sign of intelligence it just shows they have a good marketing team that knows how to cater to the couple hundred million children that want to run and gun.

Get in a squad and use some tactics.

the point is, compare them to grenade launchers in any quality game. its too high, he's right. to argue it is pointless. to boot, each shot in a real shooter requires a reload. only CCP in their infinite wisdom made one that was autofire.

high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher.

What about snipers?

Yes, let's compare the MD to any grenade launcher in any other game.

How many grenades does it take on average to kill an enemy in any other game?
In any other game can somone hit you with a grenade and you spin around and down him with your rifle?

How does the DPS from any other game's rifle and grenade launcher compare?
Are there any where the rifle puts out more DPS than the grenade launcher?

You're right. it's a 2hk weapon that can fire once a second, and doesn't give a directional hit marker to the target.

Yes, toss the MD into a CoD game and it would be ridiculously OP.

But then teleport a DUST merc with a basic Assault suit and an AR with operations level 2 into a CoD match and see what happens. Unmitigated slaughter. He would absorb all incoming fire regardless of the weapon, then mow everyone down with a single plasma round each. With 60 rounds in the magazine he wouldn't even have to reload once.


Context is everything.

friend, thats actually a bigger indictment of CCP.

Most people now agree that CCP would have been better served going low health for everyone rather than just new players. Tiercide is a great option they should consider rather than giving us a system where my 12M SP Logi can eat 4x the bullets than a new player.

that way skill the determining factor in wins.

friend, thats actually a bigger indictment of CCP.

Most people now agree that CCP would have been better served going low health for everyone rather than just new players. Tiercide is a great option they should consider rather than giving us a system where my 12M SP Logi can eat 4x the bullets than a new player.

that way skill the determining factor in wins.

Your preference for a low health shooter is just that, a preference.

CCP decided to go the MMO/RPG route where leveling up means you are stronger and more capable.
A flat playing field is fine for a game that gets rereleased every year which forces everyone to start from scratch again, but it doesn't work well for a game that is mean to last years.

Actually, that argument is completely different than your original. The comparison holds if the two mercs are the same strength and it works if they are different levels. The point is that high heath completely changes the MD from a OHK noob tube to a balanced weapon that specializes in medium to CQC.

No. Wrong. We're talking health gap now.

I still stand by my previous argument that a weapon like the MD must have a low fire rate, low ammo and reload after every shot.

Leaves a visual smoke trail and doesn't 2HK my STD armor suit unless proto and/or dmg modded. Even when using an EXO-5 w/damage mods I'm only 2HK'ing scouts. And 2 seconds is a lot longer than it takes for a well aimed AR/SCR to do the same job.

A gun that shoots missiles won't be OP LOL. CCP is having the hardest time balancing anything out the gate, but we shall see if these next 2 updates restores balance to Dust.

No. Wrong. We're talking health gap now.

I still stand by my previous argument that a weapon like the MD must have a low fire rate, low ammo and reload after every shot.

Yes, because in the future no one will have any weapon better than what's in the current CoD game. Hell, we already have grenade launcher technology better than this game has, and it's set thousands of years in the future. Do yourself a favor and stop talking, the amount of stupid hurts my brain...

No. Wrong. We're talking health gap now.

I still stand by my previous argument that a weapon like the MD must have a low fire rate, low ammo and reload after every shot.

they HAVE to aim well. you? just get within about 8 meters of target and you're golden, their screen won't stop freaking out, and hell, even cover means nothing to your godmode gun.

face it, ccp wanted to make a game about skill, then implemented weapons specifically to reduce the skill necessary to play.

sidestep sidestep sidestep, boom. you're immune to most gunfire, and you don't even have to aim too well to return fire and shred them.

Yes, because in the future no one will have any weapon better than what's in the current CoD game. Hell, we already have grenade launcher technology better than this game has, and it's set thousands of years in the future. Do yourself a favor and stop talking, the amount of stupid hurts my brain...

lol @ people trying to claim it's hard to use an MD

lol @ people trying to claim it's hard to use an MD

Ammo management.

lol @ people who think it's an easy ticket to a high KDR.

I disagree. Looking at the market and the pitiful numbers on Dust I think its obvious most people prefer low health.

here again, we can now plainly see what happens when you make new players and their weapons squishy..they dont play long. Its a much better idea [and better indicator of skill] when you separate weapons more subtly. Better weapons will still be better, they just wont be godly and you would actually have to be better at a guy to kill him.

many of the MMO features Dust is trying to implement are good. Some [like the health gap] were a bad idea. Never forget that this is a shooter too.

L2Hive?

O.o

My only gripe with mass drivers would be their clip size. Explosions were all wonky in the before time, so they needed the clip buff to help compensate. Now 'splosions pwn and maybe the MD is benefiting a bit too much in that regard. I dont play PC so I dont know how it is on that front, but MD users in pubs seem to do fairly well in general.

the point is, compare them to grenade launchers in any quality game. its too high, he's right. to argue it is pointless. to boot, each shot in a real shooter requires a reload. only CCP in their infinite wisdom made one that was autofire.

Ever notice most of the grenade launchers in "quality" games are outdated? Plus, they OHK, which they don't do in dust. A mass driver alone actually takes more time than an AR to kill.

I suggest u stop reading then. Amazing how your corpmate and most veteran players agree on the MD. eventually youre going to have to come to the conclusion that it sounds stupid..because u are.

Indeed. Lots of MD deaths occur when the poor bastard has terrible situational awareness. They just stand there or run in circles.

*Sigh*

CoD is a low health shooter where all explosives are OHK.

DUST is a high health shooter and the MD is not a OHK weapon.

Two totally different beasts.

you cant have a weapon like the mass driver with a high fire rate, lots of ammo or a fast reload. just watched the CoD trailer and even though i would never buy that piece of crap, its funny how they and bf3 both understand you cant have any explosive weapon with auto fire.

whatevs tho, I guess CCP has been making fps since never so maybe they know something everyone else doesnt.

cracks me up how CCP can add all this other complex background stuff but doesnt have the common sense to get stuff like this right. When this game is dead in 9 months pls remember your choice to be cheap and outsource your game to china and let people with no fps experience make your game killed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2uN1gwxM8o

i won't call people over at CoD idiots. Their game, like it or not, made billions.

CCP can make a good point and click MMO PC game, but in regards to a FPS, they have allot to learn. I thought the beta was a good trial and error period, but that proved to be nothing more than error and more errors.

I'm no dev, but explosive weapons in general are something that I feel should be a last resort, or secondary weapon. When you have a primary explosive weapon that has a magazine, with a radius of 3-4m, PLUS ADDITIONAL dmg being dealt to armor, is just plain stupid.

That kind of semi automatic noobery does not belong in FPS.

I disagree. Looking at the market and the pitiful numbers on Dust I think its obvious most people prefer low health.

here again, we can now plainly see what happens when you make new players and their weapons squishy..they dont play long. Its a much better idea [and better indicator of skill] when you separate weapons more subtly. Better weapons will still be better, they just wont be godly and you would actually have to be better at a guy to kill him.

many of the MMO features Dust is trying to implement are good. Some [like the health gap] were a bad idea. Never forget that this is a shooter too.

you cant have a weapon like the mass driver with a high fire rate, lots of ammo or a fast reload. just watched the CoD trailer and even though i would never buy that piece of crap, its funny how they and bf3 both understand you cant have any explosive weapon with auto fire.

whatevs tho, I guess CCP has been making fps since never so maybe they know something everyone else doesnt.

cracks me up how CCP can add all this other complex background stuff but doesnt have the common sense to get stuff like this right. When this game is dead in 9 months pls remember your choice to be cheap and outsource your game to china and let people with no fps experience make your game killed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2uN1gwxM8o

What about snipers?

high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher.

+1 agree. dont play CoD either but embarassing how it made this game look like crap. the grenade aiming reticle is really nice.

a mechanic that shows u where ur grenade will land? what a novel idea!!!

shows u how backwards the idiots here are that they dont have one. game has like 20 modes too. WTF ccp, its like this whole game is like one big troll.

Bugger off and play cod then, do you want your hand held or what?

Indicator to show where your nade lands? Do you also want a prompt to tell you when to shoot?

Haha, "Mass Drivers are OP, CoD knows!"

/footage of a ******* drone one hit killing people remotely from the skies



Not pulling the cattle cry of "GO BACK TO COD YOU NOOB! DUST IS THE REALNESS", but seriously. CoD is all about making everyone feel incredibly good in one way or another at one time or another. No matter who you are. That's why its so popular.

And really, I don't think MDs are that crazy op. They have their moments, but as a whole, its totally nothing compared to the nonsense that happens in CoD games (or even Battlefield, or any of them really)

you cant have a weapon like the mass driver with a high fire rate, lots of ammo or a fast reload. just watched the CoD trailer and even though i would never buy that piece of crap, its funny how they and bf3 both understand you cant have any explosive weapon with auto fire.

whatevs tho, I guess CCP has been making fps since never so maybe they know something everyone else doesnt.

cracks me up how CCP can add all this other complex background stuff but doesnt have the common sense to get stuff like this right. When this game is dead in 9 months pls remember your choice to be cheap and outsource your game to china and let people with no fps experience make your game killed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2uN1gwxM8o

Ive said forever the mass driver should have a reload animation after each shot. Reasonable speed, like 1.8 seconds. The fact that its spammed is what makes it broken. Adding a reload animation after each shot makes it work as a legit aoe weapon. Anyone against this is a pure noob who want his easy mode kills.