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Prius Vecht wrote:

Skihids wrote:

Prius Vecht wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher.

the point is, compare them to grenade launchers in any quality game. its too high, he's right. to argue it is pointless. to boot, each shot in a real shooter requires a reload. only CCP in their infinite wisdom Roll

made one that was autofire.

Yes, let's compare the MD to any grenade launcher in any other game.

How many grenades does it take on average to kill an enemy in any other game?
In any other game can somone hit you with a grenade and you spin around and down him with your rifle?

How does the DPS from any other game's rifle and grenade launcher compare?
Are there any where the rifle puts out more DPS than the grenade launcher?

friend, thats actually a bigger indictment of CCP.

Most people now agree that CCP would have been better served going low health for everyone rather than just new players. Tiercide is a great option they should consider rather than giving us a system where my 12M SP Logi can eat 4x the bullets than a new player.

that way skill the determining factor in wins.


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Skihids Bullet Cluster 1875	Posted - 2013.08.14 19:42:00 - [1] - Quote Sigh CoD is a low health shooter where all explosives are OHK. DUST is a high health shooter and the MD is not a OHK weapon. Two totally different beasts.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1880	Posted - 2013.08.14 20:18:00 - [2] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. the point is, compare them to grenade launchers in any quality game. its too high, he's right. to argue it is pointless. to boot, each shot in a real shooter requires a reload. only CCP in their infinite wisdom made one that was autofire. Yes, let's compare the MD to any grenade launcher in any other game. How many grenades does it take on average to kill an enemy in any other game? In any other game can somone hit you with a grenade and you spin around and down him with your rifle? How does the DPS from any other game's rifle and grenade launcher compare? Are there any where the rifle puts out more DPS than the grenade launcher?
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1881	Posted - 2013.08.14 20:31:00 - [3] - Quote Yes, toss the MD into a CoD game and it would be ridiculously OP. But then teleport a DUST merc with a basic Assault suit and an AR with operations level 2 into a CoD match and see what happens. Unmitigated slaughter. He would absorb all incoming fire regardless of the weapon, then mow everyone down with a single plasma round each. With 60 rounds in the magazine he wouldn't even have to reload once. Context is everything.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1881	Posted - 2013.08.14 20:35:00 - [4] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Skihids wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. the point is, compare them to grenade launchers in any quality game. its too high, he's right. to argue it is pointless. to boot, each shot in a real shooter requires a reload. only CCP in their infinite wisdom made one that was autofire. Yes, let's compare the MD to any grenade launcher in any other game. How many grenades does it take on average to kill an enemy in any other game? In any other game can somone hit you with a grenade and you spin around and down him with your rifle? How does the DPS from any other game's rifle and grenade launcher compare? Are there any where the rifle puts out more DPS than the grenade launcher? friend, thats actually a bigger indictment of CCP. Most people now agree that CCP would have been better served going low health for everyone rather than just new players. Tiercide is a great option they should consider rather than giving us a system where my 12M SP Logi can eat 4x the bullets than a new player. that way skill the determining factor in wins. Your preference for a low health shooter is just that, a preference. CCP decided to go the MMO/RPG route where leveling up means you are stronger and more capable. A flat playing field is fine for a game that gets rereleased every year which forces everyone to start from scratch again, but it doesn't work well for a game that is mean to last years.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1881	Posted - 2013.08.14 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Skihids wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: high RoF? Mass drivers have the lowest RoF out of all light weapons, except the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. the point is, compare them to grenade launchers in any quality game. its too high, he's right. to argue it is pointless. to boot, each shot in a real shooter requires a reload. only CCP in their infinite wisdom made one that was autofire. Yes, let's compare the MD to any grenade launcher in any other game. How many grenades does it take on average to kill an enemy in any other game? In any other game can somone hit you with a grenade and you spin around and down him with your rifle? How does the DPS from any other game's rifle and grenade launcher compare? Are there any where the rifle puts out more DPS than the grenade launcher? friend, thats actually a bigger indictment of CCP. Most people now agree that CCP would have been better served going low health for everyone rather than just new players. Tiercide is a great option they should consider rather than giving us a system where my 12M SP Logi can eat 4x the bullets than a new player. that way skill the determining factor in wins. Actually, that argument is completely different than your original. The comparison holds if the two mercs are the same strength and it works if they are different levels. The point is that high heath completely changes the MD from a OHK noob tube to a balanced weapon that specializes in medium to CQC.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1884	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:07:00 - [6] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: No. Wrong. We're talking health gap now. I still stand by my previous argument that a weapon like the MD must have a low fire rate, low ammo and reload after every shot. My argument works health gap or no. The MD does a fraction of a merc's total health in DUST where the CoD grenade launcher does 100%. This means we can balance the higher alpha of the MD with a lower RoF. The MD has a higher alpha than the AR, but has a RoF orders of magnitude lower than the AR, allowing the AR to out DPS the MD. That allows the AR user to take a surprise MD round, then return fire and kill the MD user. That works because this is a high health game and it's true if there is a health gap or not. Obviously if the gap is huge and against the AR user he is likely to lose, but that's reversed against the MD user if he is that far behind. If you require a reload after every shot the MD user would never get a single kill. He would be mowed down after his first shot alerted the enemy that he was stupid enough to walk up completely defenseless. A real OHK weapon like the contact grenade does need to be single throw with a low RoF, but that's a totally different beast. EDIT: If you even remotely consider this viable I have a challenge for you. Use the MD as if it held a single round. Just reload it after every shot. In fact reload and count to ten to lower your RoF as desired. Use that for a week and come back and let me know your new KDR. Oh and for extra points use a logi suit as the MD is a favorite for us Logis.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1889	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:46:00 - [7] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol @ people trying to claim it's hard to use an MD lol @ people who think it's an easy ticket to a high KDR.