Why don't people ever mention them in MD QQ threads? They want a complete nerf across the board without even discussing other variants, and I know for a fact that these 2 are not OP, in fact, 1 of them is UP.

Why don't people ever mention them in MD QQ threads? They want a complete nerf across the board without even discussing other variants, and I know for a fact that these 2 are not OP, in fact, 1 of them is UP.

Assault takes skill breach sucks and takes more skill.

Assault takes even less skill than the normal MD, it's just that its damage output is even more lacklustre.

Breach is good if you know how to use it. It's the minmatar shotgun.

Why don't people ever mention them in MD QQ threads? They want a complete nerf across the board without even discussing other variants, and I know for a fact that these 2 are not OP, in fact, 1 of them is UP.

I use MDs when playing on US servers when the lag is bad or when I'm just way too drunk to do anything with an AR. (And I've hardly put any points in it, proff lvl2)

I feel sort of cheap and dirty many times, the Freedom MD which I use is simply put; way too good.

IMO they should remove the Freedom and the equivalent Assault MD and make them officer salvage weapons.

The EXO-5 and its equivalent assault MD would be the new proto's with the same cost as the current protos.

The current standard will be elevated to enhanced and they'll have to make a new one to fill the standard gap.

Any MD user with a little respect for themselves will admit that the EXO-5 and its equivalent enhanced assault MD is more than "good enough".

IMO this would be a fine first step in balancing the weapon, something need to be done IMO.



- I've suggested the same for the locus nades, the Core Locus nade is too powerfull and deadly. This needs to be done after the "fix" to aiming and hit detection.

We might end up with a game where anything which explodes is the default best way to go, as is nearly the case now, I certainly don't want it and I hope you don't aswell.

Lol? You know this won't happen lol. Remove the douv assault rifle. They certainly take out everything

So you are telling me that EC3 is not OP?

Okay, we get it, you can't aim. You can stop posting now.

Thanks.

I use MDs when playing on US servers when the lag is bad or when I'm just way too drunk to do anything with an AR. (And I've hardly put any points in it, proff lvl2)

I feel sort of cheap and dirty many times, the Freedom MD which I use is simply put; way too good.

IMO they should remove the Freedom and the equivalent Assault MD and make them officer salvage weapons.

The EXO-5 and its equivalent assault MD would be the new proto's with the same cost as the current protos.

The current standard will be elevated to enhanced and they'll have to make a new one to fill the standard gap.

Any MD user with a little respect for themselves will admit that the EXO-5 and its equivalent enhanced assault MD is more than "good enough".

IMO this would be a fine first step in balancing the weapon, something need to be done IMO.



- I've suggested the same for the locus nades, the Core Locus nade is too powerfull and deadly. This needs to be done after the "fix" to aiming and hit detection.

We might end up with a game where anything which explodes is the default best way to go, as is nearly the case now, I certainly don't want it and I hope you don't aswell.

Of course it's not OP, you will never kill a someone with stacked Complex shield mods or a Heavy with a single clip, and get in 10 meters and you can kill him with anything. It's the best support weapon in the game, but it's not OP.

I went 29-0 with that last night. I am not even a MD user. I use it just to show people how OP it is. I couldn't comment on it till i used it.

Now about the shield stacked person, it only takes me one shot to kill them. Heard about the the Flux ?! Heavies would die before the 8 round clip ends. Guess what, the negative splash damage doesn't affect me much, i'm caldari lol

Now about the shield stacked person, it only takes me one shot to kill them. Heard about the the Flux ?!

I went 29-0 with that last night. I am not even a MD user. I use it just to show people how OP it is. I couldn't comment on it till i used it.

Now about the shield stacked person, it only takes me one shot to kill them. Heard about the the Flux ?! Heavies would die before the 8 round clip ends. Guess what, the negative splash damage doesn't affect me much, i'm caldari lol

Which of the TWO weapons that you are using to ONE SHOT the guy do you use to kill him in ONE SHOT again? Is it the Flux or the MD?

Bragging about going x-0 once in pubs is not proving whether a weapon is OP or not. The flux argument has already been refuted countless times on the forum. It is a completely different element that is irrelevant since everything is dying after a flux, hell ARs kill heavies faster with a Flux than MDs can. You could say someone using a laser rifle could kill someone with 20 HP after using a Lotus Grenade, but what does this say about the laser rifle, except that it can finish someone off after a Lotus Grenade?

The great Flux+MD combo... i've never seen so many Flux nades being used before. Oh btw, i also use it as an AV weapon. Tank count 7 (Gunlogis) and counting. Its difficult with the Madrugar. Quite a lot of LAVs, some Logi ones too. Now tell me it's not OP.

I get it. You are having too much fun with it. But please. I know a lot of people who specced into it just to see why it kills them so fast with such less effort

Its not OP. Do you not get basic math?

1 flux + 1 MD = 2 weapons NOT 1. YOU CANNOT OHK with MD (PERIOD).

Also if you are running with a squad it means you are utilizing its support role well.

I've been using the MD since Open Beta, extensively used all 3 variants in Chrome and Uprising pre-patch, so I know what I'm talking about compared to someone who admittingly doesn't even use the MD.

So you will say that a EC3, Freedom or even a boundless is not OP? Ok just for your sake i wont call it OP. Let's just call it a very easy weapon to get some easy kills. Clearly a guy spamming explosive rounds constantly is there to play the "Support" role.

Yes i do get the math. The point is the MD needs no effort. It's no longer a support weapon. Its one of the most annoying weapon to encounter. I can OHK kill and i have quite a few times. Trust me i've laughed very hard at that red dot. to be honest, most of us are using it now to have some fun and relax.

All these "nerf the assault MD" because it "takes no skill" are so ridiculous. It doesn't do enough damage to be a viable killer, but it can be an effective area denial weapon. Stop getting "OP" confused with "different".

Mass Driver: Good for a few contacts at a time, best at 1 on 1 engagements
Assault Mass Driver: Great for going up against groups of players with a squad of your own
Breach Mass Driver: Light AV weapon.

Trust me, I've taken down tanks with over 7k hp using a flux to knock their shields down and the breach to keep chewing at their armor. All of them are situational weapons, and all of them work fine at doing what they're intended to do. I do wish the breach did a lot more splash damage and was more of a "skill" weapon that could be used on the battlefield as well.

And all 3 have the field longevity of a FG if you don't carry nanohives and near useless against shield tankers without flux grenades. Never knew a weapon that needs 2 other pieces of equipment could be OP.

I think it's funny that Mass Drivers are called OP, yet you can kill a heavy in less than 3 seconds with an AR from halfway across the map. Whenever I encounter a Mass Driver user, I already know all of their weaknesses and what my plan of attack is. People just try and take on a Mass Driver like they would an AR, which is why they're so effective.

Welcome to the problem behind every "X is OP!" trend. Most AR users want to waltz safely between objectives having "fair fights" with other ARs with zerg rushing head on as their only tactic. They try to degrade the users of other weapons with misused terms while trying to over glorify that their weapon that gives them a damn hit marker to point and shoot at something requires some level of extra required skill... in a video game. Kind of silly really.

Beren I Aim for the Head. It's a wonderful sound. Makes me Feel OP when i get a Headshot with a MD.

Mass Driver: Good for a few contacts at a time, best at 1 on 1 engagements
Assault Mass Driver: Great for going up against groups of players with a squad of your own
Breach Mass Driver: Light AV weapon.

Trust me, I've taken down tanks with over 7k hp using a flux to knock their shields down and the breach to keep chewing at their armor. All of them are situational weapons, and all of them work fine at doing what they're intended to do. I do wish the breach did a lot more splash damage and was more of a "skill" weapon that could be used on the battlefield as well.

Also, think of the mass driver as a shotgun. It's only effective at close range or from heights, so don't let the player get the advantage on you. Also, concentrated fire on a mass driver user is even more effective. I die mostly when I encounter a squad of enemies that kill me before I can get 2 shots in.

hmmm.....mass driver is currently being demonstrated to be beyond the expectations of a nube tube, but this is due to an issue with double buffing them in recent patches.

the aoe of the weapons are supposedly larger then they should be.

either way they are currently being used by full teams of experienced proto users, weapons like these should be simple to use, but unrewarding in the long term, as it currently stands these weapons are working better then the previously nerfed flaylock, it deserves a similar light nerf to bring it in line with where it should be.

hmmm.....mass driver is currently being demonstrated to be beyond the expectations of a nube tube, but this is due to an issue with double buffing them in recent patches.

the aoe of the weapons are supposedly larger then they should be.

either way they are currently being used by full teams of experienced proto users, weapons like these should be simple to use, but unrewarding in the long term, as it currently stands these weapons are working better then the previously nerfed flaylock, it deserves a similar light nerf to bring it in line with where it should be.

I feel sort of cheap and dirty many times, the Freedom MD which I use is simply put; way too good.

Any MD user with a little respect for themselves will admit that the EXO-5 and its equivalent enhanced assault MD is more than "good enough".

I went 29-0 with that last night. I am not even a MD user. I use it just to show people how OP it is. I couldn't comment on it till i used it.

Now about the shield stacked person, it only takes me one shot to kill them. Heard about the the Flux ?! Heavies would die before the 8 round clip ends. Guess what, the negative splash damage doesn't affect me much, i'm caldari lol

All you mostly scrub non-factors (excuse my honesty) that comes here and bring one argument after the other about it not being OP for this or that reason. Tell me this:

- Why is it that so many of the elite players of this game can just spend more or less the minimum of skillpoints in it and go into a game and more or less dominate with it?



If the current development continues we might end up with explosive spam being he norm in Dust. Do we really want that?

Want to know what I want? Less arrogant elitists like yourself telling me how to play in the sandbox.

Nerf op arrogant elitists nao!

All you mostly scrub non-factors (excuse my honesty) that comes here and bring one argument after the other about it not being OP for this or that reason. Tell me this:

- Why is that so many of the elite plAyers of this game can just spene or less the minimum of skillpoints in it and go into a game and more or less dominate with it?


current development continues we might end up with explosive spam being he norm in Dust. Do we really want that?

No one is telling anybody how to play the sandbox.

I'm merely stating that as far as I know, many good players can merely unlock the weapon and play extremely well with it. And note the use of "unlock" as opposed to "skill into".

Its simply too good in its current state, no excuse from bad players will ever change my mind on this matter....

Okay, we get it, you're a fail troll. You can stop posting now.


Anyway, I got a level 4 assault rifle I tend to use it more. But what I mainly use now is my scout suit with smg and nova knife with remote explosives. Mad much? Lol, if anyone can't aim with the assault rifle that's pathetic since it's literally the easiest gun to use in the game. Nice try kiddo, and i still managed to take out protos with just std gear from the elite pack, so I guess my aiming is on point because I have less survivability than most of you proto stompers. Next time you try to troll make sure you know what I run most of the time. Go back under the bridge fail troll.

Thanks.

And all 3 have the field longevity of a FG if you don't carry nanohives and near useless against shield tankers without flux grenades. Never knew a weapon that needs 2 other pieces of equipment could be OP.

Except it has a slower RoF than the shotgun, lower DPS than the shotgun, while being next to useless if you're off a few inches. I honestly thing the Breach needs a RoF buff.

I think assault is kinda OP. The normal one is fine and breach does not work.

And yet, people still complain about the Swarm Launcher. Even though it needs AV/Flux nades and nano hive.

So ... you have to use a grenade, hope it hits the guy in the shields, then hit him with a few MD rounds.

Didja do the same math with your "not OP nope nope nope" ARs?

Didja do the same experiment using core locus grendades?

You specifically cite that a dude who stacks 600 shields, has them all wiped out by a grenade designed to do that, and is 1 shotted through his ~150 armor is an OP thing. Did you reread what you typed out? Let me spell it out for you. A person with 0 shields, and ~150 armor is going to die in a few shots vs ANY WEAPON SYSTEM IN THE GAME.

Try harder next time.