Sad that only 2 cpm members are active, well only 1 has validity (IWS is lame in most regards).

So a threat from nova basically is what has to happen for ccp to listen?

Lol ccp is a joke. Look what we have gotten since Jan. OMG nothing.

Since most of you probably don't read the council chambers, here's a courtesy head's up with the current state of things.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1167515#post1167515

Now, Nova, I have much respect for you, Iron Wolf and Cazaderon (simply because you are the most active at least on the forums). But I'd like to point one thing out: that's right, ccp is lacking communication, but our cpm is lacking activity too. If it wasn't for some of you at the CPM, people wouldn't even know it actually exist. You all at the cpm started the right way: I remember when there was some poll on the forums and some surveys. But what now?



2-3 months ago we had a survey promoted by cpm. And that was great.
Now, there was many questions there, and I'm pretty sure it helped out you and ccp to better understand player base's feelings. But now, how could you or ccp know if a weapon, for example, is OP? Why isn't there any voting system anymore?

To answer your question about balance :

At every possible turn, we tell CCP to talk to the community, not just us. We have made it a point internally to not allow ourselves to be used as a balancing tool whenever possible, because there is a much more obvious merit in getting feedback from dozens of people who are usually more knowledgable than we about a given topic.

Surveys are tricky to do, because it's really hard to gauge the feedback or provide adequate options in the first place, except for the most cut and dry of issues.

We'd love to get a lot more "Public feedback Gathering" posts out there, but in all honesty, we need to get more stuff from CCP and permission to actually share that stuff in order to make that a reality with any real merit. Other than that, all we can really do is take someone else's thread and say "CCP. make sure you read this thread extra close, because it makes X point."

What is CPM?

shameless bump.

Unfortunately, I fear that the ship has sailed for most of the veteran players already. Almost every competitive clan is already making plans for which games they will be playing next. Everyone is so burnt out by the state that this game has been in since release (3 months now) and the apparent apathy CCP has towards its player base that they really could care less anymore. If CCP had started this two months ago they might have saved a lot of their player base. Expect to see a massive drop right after the tournament ends. Many of us had great hope for this game and were willing to give CCP months and months to come around but they have not. We got half-hearted promises of more communication and involvement but then just got the trolling 'community team' and lip service. I know many people who have posted some very great ideas of how to make this game more entertaining and add depth within the limitations that we currently had but the posts void of any type of involvement from CCP.

I would like to say thank you to Fox and Wolf for being two of the more communicative devs out there and it is much appreciated. Unfortunately, any changes now will be too little and too late. CCP has already lost the faith and trust of a lot of its players.

Since most of you probably don't read the council chambers, here's a courtesy head's up with the current state of things.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1167515#post1167515

It makes me slightly sad that a player has to tell CCP how to do thier jobs since they are getting paid to think the things you wrote in that post.

Thank for you keeping it real. <3

Bumping for great justice.

Also a short quip to you guys out here, what I do out here and what I do behind closed doors of the council chambers are two entirely different things.

Some good news to report

Holding out hope for 1.4, it will be the litmus test of the new release cycles.

If all goes well 1.5 should be the first release largely presided over by CCP Flying Scotsman, I have faith in his ability to get things on track.

To any CCP reading this, I'd like to reiterate the CPM statement; we're here because we want the game to succeed. Let us help you figure some of this stuff out!

Whining resulted in lip service?

If CCP actually wants to do this right then they can start with a simple schedule for how information gets released to the public

- Within the first 2 weeks of content lock, dev blogs are released accounting for the major changes that will be taking place in the upcoming patch. Any change to player assets will have the stats listed out.
- The beginning of the 3rd week will see the release of the full patch notes
- The third and fourth week will be a mix of discussing possibilities for issues with the new changes as well as providing information on general things that will be going into the next patch.

And for god's sake, use the community team properly. They should be the bloodhounds for CCP marketing to understand what trends are taking place with their customers. They should be reporting to the team what hot-button topics would be good for the developers to give some feedback on so the community feels like they are being listened to. They should also be setting up and managing a FAQ (or in this case, FAQQ) section that shows what the major topics are and the developer responses are to them.

Something like this:

Issue: Hit detection not registering for X% of fired shots

Developer Note: We are currently looking into this. Right now, we think that it is being caused by ___________ and we will require some further time to see what the root issue is.

Priority: High
Timeline: TBD based upon finding root cause
_____________________________

Issue: Unfinished racial suits

Developer Response: We are currently waiting on __________ and ___________ to be finished so that we can begin testing on our internal server. Main issue is making ____________ worthwhile to give diversity and reason for using different suits

Priority: Medium
Timeline: Expected late Q4 2013. Dependent upon internal testing

As a professional marketer, I fail to understand how simple stuff like this is overlooked by the marketing and PR team in CCP. Given the state of things, Im surprised the CMO still has his job.

YOU MEAN A ROADMAP.

Like SOE and Planetside 2! Yes it would be good for ccp to do alot of things like ps2 has, but will they? No.

They seem to not care what anyone has done before. That is why they have failed so many times with there rediculous systems.

Since most of you probably don't read the council chambers, here's a courtesy head's up with the current state of things.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1167515#post1167515


EDIT:

Some positive followup news to share here.

A bullet pointed roadmap has never been CCP's style. They throw goals on the table and try to pursue them but they always been vague goals mostly containing 'experiences' they want to create and rarely the features that makes that experience possible. Rarely has it ever included Gun X, Ship Y, Map Z which allows those content to get done and done proper, there have been plenty canceled ship classes before and thank god those were not on the roadmap you have fishing and moaning players asking where'd did those squadron frigates go? where the corvettes? Where's my MTAC? As long as CCP keeps it mostly vague and under the stamp of Soon(tm) they can get away with quite a bit of things without over upsetting the players. Though some features are constantly still asked for by the CSM/CPM despite realization of the feature not being feasible at the time. The most accurate maps you are going to get from CCP are probably... half life of a patch cycle. So in our case 4 week roadmap is the most accurate you're going to get and at that point might as well show you guys the patch notes which unfortunately just got some trimming because of QA.

This is one of many massive complaints about SOE's own roadmaps and its beginning to start topping their complaint lists. Where's this feature? Why was the negatively voted roadmap item done first or at all? Why was this delayed? What did you guys worked on that feature it wasn't on the roadmap at all? Had SOE done it eve style people would be asking about the flying aircraft carriers right now instead of bitching when's the next map.

What's at this bumping racket going on?

Death to the CPM, CSM and anything other than the forums for CCP to pay attention to for development.

These guys can write a script to mine subject matter from a standard form that offers development suggestions.

We don't need a political body to be a filter.

Ususally Anarchy/Mob Democracy is replaced by a dictatorship, so better to choose a stable Representative Democracy/Republic