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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:52:00 -
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Since most of you probably don't read the council chambers, here's a courtesy head's up with the current state of things.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1167515#post1167515 |
Casius Hakoke
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:01:00 -
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Bump as this is incredibly important. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:01:00 -
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Can't let this get buried this quickly. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:06:00 -
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nice and long, just the way i like to read them. holds a lot of true in it. |
God Anpu TheImmortal
The Pyramid Order
34
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:08:00 -
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Great read but why even after this why has ccp still being so stubborn about speaking to the dust 514 community. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
948
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:10:00 -
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If CCP allowed players to point out flaws in ideas before they put them in place, then we'd have a much better game |
Planetside2PS4F2P
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:12:00 -
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Proof from cpm that ccp has not been listening to us for way too long.
It takes a basic threat from cpm to get ccp to listen?
Pathetic on ccp's behalf +1 to cpm
Fanbois cannot deny the game is going in the wrong direction, due to lack of communication.
Basically ccp is slitting their own throat. Lool |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
589
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:13:00 -
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A lot of my faith in CPM has been restored. |
Heavy Breaks
No Free Pass
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:14:00 -
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It was well written and was a point well made I'll give it that. Will it make a blind bit of difference? Probably not unfortunately. |
Mad Mav
Brotherhood of the Commissioned
169
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:15:00 -
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+1 Hopefully this will open the door for greater transparency, but we'll have to wait and see. |
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AltNumber25
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:36:00 -
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Sad that only 2 cpm members are active, well only 1 has validity (IWS is lame in most regards).
So a threat from nova basically is what has to happen for ccp to listen?
Lol ccp is a joke. Look what we have gotten since Jan. OMG nothing. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:40:00 -
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AltNumber25 wrote:Sad that only 2 cpm members are active, well only 1 has validity (IWS is lame in most regards).
So a threat from nova basically is what has to happen for ccp to listen?
Lol ccp is a joke. Look what we have gotten since Jan. OMG nothing.
This was not just my post, it was drafted and collaborated on by all of us.
It is not meant to be a threat, and shouldn't be seen as an effort to bully CCP into a response.
It is simply a statement of how things are at present.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
494
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:47:00 -
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Now, Nova, I have much respect for you, Iron Wolf and Cazaderon (simply because you are the most active at least on the forums). But I'd like to point one thing out: that's right, ccp is lacking communication, but our cpm is lacking activity too. If it wasn't for some of you at the CPM, people wouldn't even know it actually exist. You all at the cpm started the right way: I remember when there was some poll on the forums and some surveys. But what now?
English is not my first language, so maybe i didn't convey my thought. I'll make an example:
2-3 months ago we had a survey promoted by cpm. And that was great. Now, there was many questions there, and I'm pretty sure it helped out you and ccp to better understand player base's feelings. But now, how could you or ccp know if a weapon, for example, is OP? Why isn't there any voting system anymore?
I do love what you actually do for the game, but I think it's just too late. Many beta testers left because of uprising, and they won't probably give dust another chance, because what they expected from a MMOFPS is not what they actually saw in Dust. So if they left and never return, feedbacks, polls, decisions could be "dirty". I mean, when the majority of the player base on an FPS is actually not an FPS player, and never played FPS, the FPS itself would take wrong turns with every decision. Look at mouse vs keyboard for example. No way a ps3 fps player would ever accept the idea to play with a DS3 against Kb/M. A PS3 player would never accept such a low DS3 sensitivity against mouse rotation speed/precision. Ok, they're working on it now, but, again, it's late, maybe too late. Dust foundation is competitivity, when there could not be competitivity, because of kb/m vs ds3, sp system, op drop suit/tank/whatever and there's nothing else to do, players will leave/afk/come back in an year or two. Meanwhile the game dies.
Sorry for the wall of text. Maybe I just wanted to vent over such a great opportunity (Dust514) wasted. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1407
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:00:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
Now, Nova, I have much respect for you, Iron Wolf and Cazaderon (simply because you are the most active at least on the forums). But I'd like to point one thing out: that's right, ccp is lacking communication, but our cpm is lacking activity too. If it wasn't for some of you at the CPM, people wouldn't even know it actually exist. You all at the cpm started the right way: I remember when there was some poll on the forums and some surveys. But what now?
2-3 months ago we had a survey promoted by cpm. And that was great. Now, there was many questions there, and I'm pretty sure it helped out you and ccp to better understand player base's feelings. But now, how could you or ccp know if a weapon, for example, is OP? Why isn't there any voting system anymore?
To answer your question about balance :
At every possible turn, we tell CCP to talk to the community, not just us. We have made it a point internally to not allow ourselves to be used as a balancing tool whenever possible, because there is a much more obvious merit in getting feedback from dozens of people who are usually more knowledgable than we about a given topic.
Surveys are tricky to do, because it's really hard to gauge the feedback or provide adequate options in the first place, except for the most cut and dry of issues.
We'd love to get a lot more "Public feedback Gathering" posts out there, but in all honesty, we need to get more stuff from CCP and permission to actually share that stuff in order to make that a reality with any real merit. Other than that, all we can really do is take someone else's thread and say "CCP. make sure you read this thread extra close, because it makes X point."
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FLAY LOCKED
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:06:00 -
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What is CPM? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
373
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:20:00 -
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Commenting to bumpt thread. This is important for players to read. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:21:00 -
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State of the Goonions are a bit more entertaining to be honest. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
494
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:28:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
Now, Nova, I have much respect for you, Iron Wolf and Cazaderon (simply because you are the most active at least on the forums). But I'd like to point one thing out: that's right, ccp is lacking communication, but our cpm is lacking activity too. If it wasn't for some of you at the CPM, people wouldn't even know it actually exist. You all at the cpm started the right way: I remember when there was some poll on the forums and some surveys. But what now?
2-3 months ago we had a survey promoted by cpm. And that was great. Now, there was many questions there, and I'm pretty sure it helped out you and ccp to better understand player base's feelings. But now, how could you or ccp know if a weapon, for example, is OP? Why isn't there any voting system anymore?
To answer your question about balance : At every possible turn, we tell CCP to talk to the community, not just us. We have made it a point internally to not allow ourselves to be used as a balancing tool whenever possible, because there is a much more obvious merit in getting feedback from dozens of people who are usually more knowledgable than we about a given topic. Surveys are tricky to do, because it's really hard to gauge the feedback or provide adequate options in the first place, except for the most cut and dry of issues. We'd love to get a lot more "Public feedback Gathering" posts out there, but in all honesty, we need to get more stuff from CCP and permission to actually share that stuff in order to make that a reality with any real merit. Other than that, all we can really do is take someone else's thread and say "CCP. make sure you read this thread extra close, because it makes X point."
I see your point, that's why I am saying that the player base is too small in order to provide good feedbacks. Even if you could make "public feedback gathering", you will always see a partial truth (even more partial if we consider that a good 30% of dust players don't even check the forums). Have you guys ever talked with some devs about total reworking (like FFXIV A Realm Reborn)? Both on ps3 or ps4. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:38:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:What is CPM?
The CPM "Council of Planetary Management" Is a group of players basically chosen by CCP for our 'prominence' and helpfulness in the community early on in the beta. We all stood out in our own way, and CCP chose us to help establish the processes for the future councils..
We refer to ourselves as CPM0, partly as a reminder that we're here to establish the process for which all future councils will interact with CCP and what manner of influence they will have, and partly to remind CCP the same. This is a new thing, that while CCP has had success with in their other game, Eve online (They have the CSM, a term based and player-elected council that has been running for several years now) CCP must remember that they need to learn to use this council system to best effect, just as the council(s) will need to learn the best way to interact with CCP in order to make the most positive impact.
Currently, our focus is almost entirely on establishing a proper communication chain and feedback process, as this is where the game direly needs help.
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Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
73
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:46:00 -
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Yeah, I never check the council so thanks for posting this here. +1 |
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
246
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:03:00 -
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Nova, it's hard to troll you when you are putting out things like this. +1 to you and the CPM. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
495
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:08:00 -
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shameless bump. |
Sneaky Fletcher
DUST University Ivy League
31
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:49:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:shameless bump.
*Ba bump* |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:58:00 -
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Bumping for great justice.
Also a short quip to you guys out here, what I do out here and what I do behind closed doors of the council chambers are two entirely different things. |
General Regret
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
18
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:10:00 -
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What were all thinking! +1 |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
282
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:28:00 -
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Unfortunately, I fear that the ship has sailed for most of the veteran players already. Almost every competitive clan is already making plans for which games they will be playing next. Everyone is so burnt out by the state that this game has been in since release (3 months now) and the apparent apathy CCP has towards its player base that they really could care less anymore. If CCP had started this two months ago they might have saved a lot of their player base. Expect to see a massive drop right after the tournament ends. Many of us had great hope for this game and were willing to give CCP months and months to come around but they have not. We got half-hearted promises of more communication and involvement but then just got the trolling 'community team' and lip service. I know many people who have posted some very great ideas of how to make this game more entertaining and add depth within the limitations that we currently had but the posts void of any type of involvement from CCP.
I would like to say thank you to Fox and Wolf for being two of the more communicative devs out there and it is much appreciated. Unfortunately, any changes now will be too little and too late. CCP has already lost the faith and trust of a lot of its players. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
495
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:37:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Unfortunately, I fear that the ship has sailed for most of the veteran players already. Almost every competitive clan is already making plans for which games they will be playing next. Everyone is so burnt out by the state that this game has been in since release (3 months now) and the apparent apathy CCP has towards its player base that they really could care less anymore. If CCP had started this two months ago they might have saved a lot of their player base. Expect to see a massive drop right after the tournament ends. Many of us had great hope for this game and were willing to give CCP months and months to come around but they have not. We got half-hearted promises of more communication and involvement but then just got the trolling 'community team' and lip service. I know many people who have posted some very great ideas of how to make this game more entertaining and add depth within the limitations that we currently had but the posts void of any type of involvement from CCP.
I would like to say thank you to Fox and Wolf for being two of the more communicative devs out there and it is much appreciated. Unfortunately, any changes now will be too little and too late. CCP has already lost the faith and trust of a lot of its players.
Quoting this entirely. (and here's another free bump!) |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
117
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:39:00 -
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bump |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1688
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:54:00 -
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Nice to see this attitude from the CPM Would have been nicer to see it a few months ago |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
209
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Posted - 2013.08.12 03:23:00 -
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Finally good job CPM sums up how i feel great read. |
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