ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that

1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades...
2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods
3. awesome, shields recharge during a firefight even when they are hit. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread

how I am supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than my armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during the firefight due to a bug... and this is known for 2 months and not fixed yet? oh and the grenades

There is an imbalance, you are correct. However, with the right tactics, and/or the right weapon, you can counter them (somewhat).

imbalance? more like game breaking issue when shields recharge while they are hit. and those fast moving lolstrafing caldari suits are not easy to flux at all (not to mention that I shouldnt be forced to use certain weapons to counter bugs)

shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly

I see some people cannot read and hung up on the grenade part....
let me repeat this slowly for you: shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly

what about "is not working properly" that you dont understand. I find it amusing how people give me "advice" to counter a bug to save their crutches.

Mine works normaly, it dont regen when im getting hit and I run caldari assualt armour

Video or it didn't happen.
This was tested a thousand times, and your regeneration starts even after your just got hit.

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Use a flux and they're as good as dead.

Forecasting flux-nerf QQ for September.

Flux grenades are a hard counter to shields at the moment. There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. It'll drop duel-tanked caldari suits into about half armor, though.

The bug is simply this, when shields are hit the delay starts the timer, however the timer does not reset when damaged, however as soon as the recharging starts, if the suit is damaged, the recharge will stop and the timer will reset once again.

The OP is trying to make it sound like you will be recharging shields even under fire, this is simply untrue.
I am a caldari myself, and i dont have a problem killing other shield users because i understand this, since the bug cause them the quick initial recharge i simply do some tiny bit of damage once they start the recharge, to stop it & delay the shields once again.
Its very easy to exploit shields weaknesses.

ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that

1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades...
2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods
3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread

how is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway.

now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits...



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Doesn't the OP see complaints about the mass driver on GD?

Doesn't the OP see complaints about the mass driver on GD?

Maybe you should ask for permission from your leaders before you start making stupid posts.

1. Caldari is no longer the master race suit.

2. I know a number of players who make armour tanking viable

3. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about.

another one defending a bug because he cant fight without a crutch. the obvious lie is also amazing, 300 splash damage and he claims he instagib caldari suits with it

I believe you are mistaken about what I am saying and have I believe you have never actually used a plasma cannon in combat with a positive kd.

I do not need to use a plasma cannon, I can read numbers and do the math and everyone else that can instantly sees that this is an obvious lie. unfitted STD caldari suits against a proto cannon with proto dmg mods obviously does not count as argument

and this post is related because? you claim you can one shot shield tanke caldari suits with the splash damage (which obviously isnt true) and then you post an absolutely unrelated link with no proof?

Why are you so upset? I didn't come to your thread to disagree with you about the shield recharge bug, I came to offer a solution until the dev team get it fixed. I get the feeling that you think I've come here to defend the mechanic when I haven't. You claim that I'm here telling fibs when all I offer is my recent experience with various weapon systems verses the bug by offering advice on the more successful at defeating those who would rely on the crutch for their success.

.... There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. ....

I got a G logi with over 500 armor , 20 hp a second constant repair , and a repair tool pumping 105hps to any other armor guy willing to stand in front of me! come get sum shields!

Question for the OP seeing as he seem to have done extensive research on this...
Is the glitch just with Caldari suits or do any of the other suits suffer...sorry benefit
from the same glitch?
Oh and as for every "pro" and their dog using and abusing the Cal suits, I see plenty of
the other racial variants running around at the mo. I'd like to see some actual numbers
but Gallente Assault/Logi seems to be more prevalent atm. Amarr Logi here btw.

Flux grenades are a hard counter to shields at the moment. There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. It'll drop duel-tanked caldari suits into about half armor, though.

3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread

Maybe you should ask for permission from your leaders before you start making stupid posts.

1. Caldari is no longer the master race suit.

2. I know a number of players who make armour tanking viable

3. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about.

How did you manage to get over 500 armor with 20 HP/sec repair on a Gal Logi? I assume 3 complex armor repairers and 2 complex armor plates, but that gives 478 HP armor total with all skills maxed. Unless you meant over 500 EHP?

1. So that explains why 10 out of 16 suits are Caldari in a PC match? (Those 6 include heavies and scouts, that don't have Caldari variants)

2. Yeah, with extreme amounts of effort.
Oh and all that goes down the sink with a single core locus grenade, even an assault with 4x complex plates dies to one of those.

3. He has, it's true that this bug exists.

Actually what you're experiencing here, imo, is "just" lag and bad hit detection. happens the same thing if you shield tank with amarr or minmatar. I know it's annoying but i gotta say it once again : "don't hate the player hate the game". This game's got too many HP, none would ever notice this "lag" or bad hit detection if the game actually permit a max of 200-300 HP.

He probably never actually tried a Callogi compared to other drop suits. An Amarr Assault could get the same HP with much less money spent, for instance. Gallente Assault/Logi is an incredible DPS machine with a great armor tank. Amarr logi is at the moment and in my opinion the best choice.

1 10 out of 16 are Caldari logi PRO, just because it used to be the best suit. I mean, to get the PRO level for another armor, you need more or less 2 mln SP.

Actually what you're experiencing here, imo, is "just" lag and bad hit detection. happens the same thing if you shield tank with amarr or minmatar. I know it's annoying but i gotta say it once again : "don't hate the player hate the game". This game's got too many HP, none would ever notice this "lag" or bad hit detection if the game actually permit a max of 200-300 HP.

first of all, it is not about shield depleted delay. the problem si the regular shield recharge delay, which does not work how it is supposed to work and increases your shields during a gunfight. it can also be abused to jump behind cover, regain shields and proceed to fight. an armor tanked suit just cannot keep up with the speed and chase him down.

and regarding your strategy, it is flawed from the beginning to the end. "run in" with the slower armor tanked suit, throw flux just to see that it is dodged by lolspeed of caldari suits and even if you hit, they just run away and you will never keep up with the armor tanked suits speed. nice strategy, seems to work out well .

also your argument is null and void because I should not be forced to counter bugs. also your fit is just bad.

you got me.. it's actually 17.5 hps

I believe the OP misunderstands how the bug works. Other posters are correct. Damage occurs and the timer starts, if more damage is added after the time starts it has no effect. Once the timer expires shields then begin recharging (Cal having the highest recharge base of all suits excluding scout) As the recharge ticks away if ANY damage occurs during the recharge the whole process starts up again.

What I believe is happening is that the initial damage occurs and the player hides for 3-5 seconds then pops back out and the massive recharge begins during the gunfight. Then due to aim, dodging, luck, whatever you cant manage to hit them again for a few seconds. In this time the Cal player has probably regenerated 100 or so shields.This seems unfair but it works the same for EVERYONE.

No infantry ever recharges shields while they are taking damage. Your complaint is regarding specific builds that utilize shields with Energizers and Regulators and the proper use of cover tactics. I do not disagree that this provides shield tanking a huge advantage over armour tanking and that the bug on the timer needs to be tweaked, but this is NOT a gamebreaking issue nor is it specific to on type of suit.

pfft i can make a logi with 796 armor and 220 regen

And move slower than a bag of hammers.

Not to mention tied to those Wirykomi/Allotek nanohives ;)

how I am wrong about the bug? you just repeated it by yourself. recharge delay does not kick in unless the next recharge happens.

your are missing the point. also it is not about specific builds but regular armor vs. regular shield tanks. and yes it is specific to shield tanked suits because suits with lower shield pool have much less benefit out of it. the side effect of having an armor tanked suit is having less shield hp pool and less speed, your are getting hit with depleted delay alot faster and dodging core grenades that insta kill you is quite hard to do. the side effect of having shield tanked suits is being alot faster and being able to dodge flux nades that would only deplete your shields.

sure, lag and hit detection causes shields to recharge during gunfight... riiiiight
that would be a massive lag of several seconds... my internet is not hamster powered and, if you dont know yet, you can set that you get matched with your own region for public matches (which I have). no one is going to buy that argument.


incredible dps isnt worth that much when you cant apply it cause grenades instagib you while you try to dodge them due to slow speed.
or simply because you have low speed and cant chase someone down that is running for cover.

additionally, have YOU actually tried the amarr logi? I have it at lvl5 and the proto logi is as slow as a heavy after you tank it up.


if someone would bother they could actually aquire the required the SP to get into another suit in those months but since it is not worth it no on actually bothers to do so.

I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters-
Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them.

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save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO....

So.....

Does this 'bug' not also work for the Minmitar assault? Almost same shield hp as the cal, but moves faster - why no QQ for that? Or are you just a Caldari racist? Really? You're just crying cos you made the wrong suit choice.

typical crutch defense response. I didnt expected anything else from a member of a corp that bases his strategy around proto caldari suits standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die.

counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void.

Nobody in my corp uses core grenades, and, personally, I'm fine with M1. Anyway, I'm speccing into Caldari Assault right now, and then, i'll probably spec into amarr assault. That's just because i think Amarr Assault if way better that Caldari, but you're free to think whatever you want. After all, i don't have to explain anything to you.
I don't know whoever gave you this vision of maphia clan...one guy said that we only rail snipe. The other one said that we only uses mass drivers. Now you say we only throw grenades....just try to find some kind of agreement between yourselves....

I fully expected such a response from a member of a corp that runs proto caldari suits in pub matches standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die

obvious crutch saving attempt is obvious.

counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void.


caldari suit was just an example. also in the whole thread i was referring to "shield tanked suits" not caldari specifc.
from such an answer of no value I conclude that you are just another player wanting to safe his crutch otherwise you would have read the thread if you were actually interested to provide some real arguments.

Why don't you do something useful like write a ticket then instead of crying on the forums like a baby? I'm an llav driver, nothing I hit recharges ever lol + I have no suit skills yet (waiting for content) you muppet!

I ahve already filled out several tickets, the thread is just a bonus to get attention :)

How do I know this is now a troll with a touch of flame & bait thread.... you claim that someone has to actively disconnect from a match when the psn and ccp servers are doing it far more effectively lately.

Yeah I use proto grenades and nano-hives, either get on my level or stop complaining about them, ccp's nerfs to my suits mean that is one of my few options left to me, and I only stop the 4-6 proto coming at me in a massive blob it is not like I do more than stall the attack. Hey it means that the LAV guy or tank can take full advantage or the situation. Oh and most of the players I am squading up with have less than 8 million in skill points, I don't see you taking it easy on them, why should I take it easy on you.

Good, now STFU! Cos you actually have zero proof that this bug exists (another thread with anecdotal evidence is not proof)

This was tested a thousand times, and your regeneration starts even after your just got hit.

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yeh its a bug and it is slightly annoying but as a proto G logi and assault i can say it is no where near the problem u are making it out to be ......just chuck down a allotek and u have more regen than he ever will

I'm not sure about the shield thing, I hit a guy in a caldari proto suit (not sure if logi or assault) with a flux last night and it took off half his shields. I assume it just nicked him, however I was throwing a second just in case. By the time the second one went off, his shields had recharged to full in the midst of the fight. That seems a little messed up.

Damage occurs and the timer starts, if more damage is added after the time starts it has no effect. Once the timer expires shields then begin recharging (Cal having the highest recharge base of all suits excluding scout)

NOPe don't need to respond to this as ccp already stated it is working as intended across all the suits back during the beta, as people keep telling me, it is the suit you choose, your choice has a +/- all of its own.

All this means is that should I run across you in game, I will be sure to suicide cook if not outright kill you with a core locus.

HAVE you mentioned what suit you are using/ weapons/ tools, so everyone can rip your little set-up apart?

Quick question: How do you know this wasn't intended?

Is there anywhere in the game where it states that shields recharge delay should be reset every time you take damage?

Its not game breaking, I kill shield tankers all of the time with it, and I die as a shield tanker all of the time with it.

Good work Jack!


Next time you should think before your post. What happens next is entirely up to you. Everytime you say something stupid, offensive, and just straight up QQ. I am going to attack one of your districts and sieze it. If Dust Uni owns zero land then just makes you irelivent in my eyes and feedback void

I actually agree to a point.
He made it seem like the bug is a dramatic advantage to shields.
While it's just an annoyance.

ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that

1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades...
2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods
3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread

how is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway.

now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits...



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An armor suit in the right hands can take out a Caldari suit with ease.

Armor can have loads more hit points and stack damage mods, slap a flux on the suit and there you have it. DEAD caldari. Learn how to counter the things before you come screaming nerf noob.

If a caldari suit kills you first toe to toe its because you suck and need to learn how to aim.

An armor suit in the right hands can take out a Caldari suit with ease.

Armor can have loads more hit points and stack damage mods, slap a flux on the suit and there you have it. DEAD caldari. Learn how to counter the things before you come screaming nerf noob.

If a caldari suit kills you first toe to toe its because you suck and need to learn how to aim.

Because it didn't happen before Uprising.
It was also confirmed to be a defect by CCP.

pfft i can make a logi with 796 armor and 220 regen

Im so sick of this Uprising crap build. Whatever happened to the Dust everyone enjoyed?

ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that

1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades...
2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods
3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread

how is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway.

now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits...



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[REQUEST] Infantry Shield Transporter - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1107071#post1107071
Status: Good idea, we can add this, but after we balance armor vs. shield tank first.

The OP is trying to make it sound like you will be recharging shields even under fire, this is simply untrue.
I am a caldari myself, and i dont have a problem killing other shield users because i understand this, since the bug cause them the quick initial recharge i simply do some tiny bit of damage once they start the recharge, to stop it & delay the shields once again.
Its very easy to exploit shields weaknesses.

Use a flux and they're as good as dead.

Forecasting flux-nerf QQ for September.

sure no one does that in your corp, except the full proto squad that I saw yesterday spamming core grenades against std suits in a pub match. and then, a few died and the whole sqaud disconnected ....

Not trolling, just stating the truth... you "saw" a whole maphia squad "disconnecting" and "spamming core locus nades", but, my friend you are a liar. Both because we only play on EU battle server (i rarely see any guy from "Dust University") and because up to now we just can't fill a full squad. "Yesterday". Almost the entire corp left two months ago. "Yesterday". We only have one guy with full logi caldari proto, Core locus grenades and mass driver.
Maybe you're trying to tell me that you know Maphia Clan more than its own CEO? Please than, I would gladly give up my role in your favor.

I brought to your attention more than just one valid reasoning. You just don't want to understand, you just lie trying to put some sense to your delusion.
Damn, i shouldn't even be here answering...it's like talking to a wall

Guys...guys!!!! Just *one* more nerf!! Please!!!

Maybe you should ask for permission from your leaders before you start making stupid posts.

1. Caldari is no longer the master race suit.

2. I know a number of players who make armour tanking viable

3. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about.

ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that

1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades...
2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods
3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread

how is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway.

now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits...



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Maybe you should ask for permission from your leaders before you start making stupid posts.

1. Caldari is no longer the master race suit.




2. I know a number of players who make armour tanking viable

3. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about.

I am not upset

Why dont you explian to use all oh great wise one what is the 'Master race suit???
Explain how he "has no idea what he is talking about" You see Reg an inteligent person would have answerd these questions instead of ignorantly putting him down making yourself look like a complete dumba##, and ask his leader for permission?? WTF is that? not everyone has to suck off there CEO's. Next time before you want to express one of your meaningless thoughts do us all a favor and just let it go.