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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:10:00 -
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I run caldari because it has high shields and 4 high slots, high slots are more useful then low slots, and shields are better then armor.
it's not complicated or even difficult to understand.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
474
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:10:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Actually what you're experiencing here, imo, is "just" lag and bad hit detection. happens the same thing if you shield tank with amarr or minmatar. I know it's annoying but i gotta say it once again : "don't hate the player hate the game". This game's got too many HP, none would ever notice this "lag" or bad hit detection if the game actually permit a max of 200-300 HP. sure, lag and hit detection causes shields to recharge during gunfight... riiiiight that would be a massive lag of several seconds... my internet is not hamster powered and, if you dont know yet, you can set that you get matched with your own region for public matches (which I have). no one is going to buy that argument. xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:He probably never actually tried a Callogi compared to other drop suits. An Amarr Assault could get the same HP with much less money spent, for instance. Gallente Assault/Logi is an incredible DPS machine with a great armor tank. Amarr logi is at the moment and in my opinion the best choice. incredible dps isnt worth that much when you cant apply it cause grenades instagib you while you try to dodge them due to slow speed. or simply because you have low speed and cant chase someone down that is running for cover. additionally, have YOU actually tried the amarr logi? I have it at lvl5 and the proto logi is as slow as a heavy after you tank it up. xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: 1 10 out of 16 are Caldari logi PRO, just because it used to be the best suit. I mean, to get the PRO level for another armor, you need more or less 2 mln SP.
if someone would bother they could actually aquire the required the SP to get into another suit in those months but since it is not worth it no on actually bothers to do so.
I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters- Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them.
edit: save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO.... |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
119
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:27:00 -
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So.....
Does this 'bug' not also work for the Minmitar assault? Almost same shield hp as the cal, but moves faster - why no QQ for that? Or are you just a Caldari racist? Really? You're just crying cos you made the wrong suit choice. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
355
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:29:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters- Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them. edit: save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO.... I fully expected such a response from a member of a corp that runs proto caldari suits in pub matches standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die
obvious crutch saving attempt is obvious.
counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void.
Happy Violentime wrote:So.....
Does this 'bug' not also work for the Minmitar assault? Almost same shield hp as the cal, but moves faster - why no QQ for that? Or are you just a Caldari racist? Really? You're just crying cos you made the wrong suit choice. caldari suit was just an example. also in the whole thread i was referring to "shield tanked suits" not caldari specifc. from such an answer of no value I conclude that you are just another player wanting to safe his crutch otherwise you would have read the thread if you were actually interested to provide some real arguments. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
474
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:40:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters- Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them. edit: save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO.... typical crutch defense response. I didnt expected anything else from a member of a corp that bases his strategy around proto caldari suits standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die. counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void.
crutch defense for what? I'm actually trying all the other suits at pro level with alts just because Callogi is not exactly what i want right now. I can tell you that Minmatar Assault, Amarr Assault and Amarr Logi are far better with proper skills.
Moreover. lolwut? Nobody in my corp uses core grenades, and, personally, I'm fine with M1. Anyway, I'm speccing into Caldari Assault right now, and then, i'll probably spec into amarr assault. That's just because i think Amarr Assault if way better that Caldari, but you're free to think whatever you want. After all, i don't have to explain anything to you. I don't know whoever gave you this vision of maphia clan...one guy said that we only rail snipe. The other one said that we only uses mass drivers. Now you say we only throw grenades....just try to find some kind of agreement between yourselves.... |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
359
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:43:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Nobody in my corp uses core grenades, and, personally, I'm fine with M1. Anyway, I'm speccing into Caldari Assault right now, and then, i'll probably spec into amarr assault. That's just because i think Amarr Assault if way better that Caldari, but you're free to think whatever you want. After all, i don't have to explain anything to you. I don't know whoever gave you this vision of maphia clan...one guy said that we only rail snipe. The other one said that we only uses mass drivers. Now you say we only throw grenades....just try to find some kind of agreement between yourselves.... sure no one does that in your corp, except the full proto squad that I saw yesterday spamming core grenades against std suits in a pub match. and then, a few died and the whole sqaud disconnected ....
you can call me a liar, wont change the fact that you havent brought up any valid argument regarding this topic. it is a fact that the bug gives shield tanked suits few extra hp in gunfights additionally to their other advantages they already have. there is no argument you can bring up against it, any attempt is futile. this threads purpose is to get as many troll responses from people relying on the crutch to get the DEVS attention. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
119
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:46:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters- Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them. edit: save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO.... I fully expected such a response from a member of a corp that runs proto caldari suits in pub matches standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die obvious crutch saving attempt is obvious. counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void. Happy Violentime wrote:So.....
Does this 'bug' not also work for the Minmitar assault? Almost same shield hp as the cal, but moves faster - why no QQ for that? Or are you just a Caldari racist? Really? You're just crying cos you made the wrong suit choice. caldari suit was just an example. also in the whole thread i was referring to "shield tanked suits" not caldari specifc. from such an answer of no value I conclude that you are just another player wanting to safe his crutch otherwise you would have read the thread if you were actually interested to provide some real arguments.
Why don't you do something useful like write a ticket then instead of crying on the forums like a baby? I'm an llav driver, nothing I hit recharges ever lol + I have no suit skills yet (waiting for content) you muppet!
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
359
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:47:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Jack McReady wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters- Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them. edit: save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO.... I fully expected such a response from a member of a corp that runs proto caldari suits in pub matches standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die obvious crutch saving attempt is obvious. counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void. Happy Violentime wrote:So.....
Does this 'bug' not also work for the Minmitar assault? Almost same shield hp as the cal, but moves faster - why no QQ for that? Or are you just a Caldari racist? Really? You're just crying cos you made the wrong suit choice. caldari suit was just an example. also in the whole thread i was referring to "shield tanked suits" not caldari specifc. from such an answer of no value I conclude that you are just another player wanting to safe his crutch otherwise you would have read the thread if you were actually interested to provide some real arguments. Why don't you do something useful like write a ticket then instead of crying on the forums like a baby? I'm an llav driver, nothing I hit recharges ever lol + I have no suit skills yet (waiting for content) you muppet! I ahve already filled out several tickets, the thread is just a bonus to get attention :) |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
323
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:58:00 -
[69] - Quote
How do I know this is now a troll with a touch of flame & bait thread.... you claim that someone has to actively disconnect from a match when the psn and ccp servers are doing it far more effectively lately.
Yeah I use proto grenades and nano-hives, either get on my level or stop complaining about them, ccp's nerfs to my suits mean that is one of my few options left to me, and I only stop the 4-6 proto coming at me in a massive blob it is not like I do more than stall the attack. Hey it means that the LAV guy or tank can take full advantage or the situation. Oh and most of the players I am squading up with have less than 8 million in skill points, I don't see you taking it easy on them, why should I take it easy on you. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
119
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:59:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Jack McReady wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I do bother, I just don't have enough SP yet. And I have both passive and active boosters- Anyway it's lag/hit detection, that's it. Moreover, have you tried flux, scrambler or lasers on that? flux grenades are terrific against shields and have an enormous blast radius. Imperial Scrambler melts shields. Lasers are pretty good if you know how to use them. edit: save your tears, when everyone will get The Caldari Assault PRO.... I fully expected such a response from a member of a corp that runs proto caldari suits in pub matches standing on hives spamming core grenades and disconnecting should the shiny 300k isk suit die obvious crutch saving attempt is obvious. counters are fine and all, bugs are not thus your point is null and void. Happy Violentime wrote:So.....
Does this 'bug' not also work for the Minmitar assault? Almost same shield hp as the cal, but moves faster - why no QQ for that? Or are you just a Caldari racist? Really? You're just crying cos you made the wrong suit choice. caldari suit was just an example. also in the whole thread i was referring to "shield tanked suits" not caldari specifc. from such an answer of no value I conclude that you are just another player wanting to safe his crutch otherwise you would have read the thread if you were actually interested to provide some real arguments. Why don't you do something useful like write a ticket then instead of crying on the forums like a baby? I'm an llav driver, nothing I hit recharges ever lol + I have no suit skills yet (waiting for content) you muppet! I ahve already filled out several tickets, the thread is just a bonus to get attention :)
Good, now STFU! Cos you actually have zero proof that this bug exists (another thread with anecdotal evidence is not proof)
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
362
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:59:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:How do I know this is now a troll with a touch of flame & bait thread.... you claim that someone has to actively disconnect from a match when the psn and ccp servers are doing it far more effectively lately.
Yeah I use proto grenades and nano-hives, either get on my level or stop complaining about them, ccp's nerfs to my suits mean that is one of my few options left to me, and I only stop the 4-6 proto coming at me in a massive blob it is not like I do more than stall the attack. Hey it means that the LAV guy or tank can take full advantage or the situation. Oh and most of the players I am squading up with have less than 8 million in skill points, I don't see you taking it easy on them, why should I take it easy on you. is that your response regarding a bug that gives shield tanked suits extra hp in a gunfight? |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
323
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:05:00 -
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NOPe don't need to respond to this as ccp already stated it is working as intended across all the suits back during the beta, as people keep telling me, it is the suit you choose, your choice has a +/- all of its own.
All this means is that should I run across you in game, I will be sure to suicide cook if not outright kill you with a core locus.
HAVE you mentioned what suit you are using/ weapons/ tools, so everyone can rip your little set-up apart? |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
363
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:10:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote: Good, now STFU! Cos you actually have zero proof that this bug exists (another thread with anecdotal evidence is not proof)
zero proof? lets see....
Catina Mercia wrote: This was tested a thousand times, and your regeneration starts even after your just got hit.
Cat Merc
Vickers S Grunt wrote:yeh its a bug and it is slightly annoying but as a proto G logi and assault i can say it is no where near the problem u are making it out to be ......just chuck down a allotek and u have more regen than he ever will
J Lav wrote:I'm not sure about the shield thing, I hit a guy in a caldari proto suit (not sure if logi or assault) with a flux last night and it took off half his shields. I assume it just nicked him, however I was throwing a second just in case. By the time the second one went off, his shields had recharged to full in the midst of the fight. That seems a little messed up.
Zendeal wrote:Damage occurs and the timer starts, if more damage is added after the time starts it has no effect. Once the timer expires shields then begin recharging (Cal having the highest recharge base of all suits excluding scout)
and finally, alreayd looked into by devs (for over a month now with no fix): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=987925#post987925
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
363
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:11:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:NOPe don't need to respond to this as ccp already stated it is working as intended across all the suits back during the beta, as people keep telling me, it is the suit you choose, your choice has a +/- all of its own.
All this means is that should I run across you in game, I will be sure to suicide cook if not outright kill you with a core locus.
HAVE you mentioned what suit you are using/ weapons/ tools, so everyone can rip your little set-up apart? there was never such a response. the response you are talking about is about scouts suits having high recharge rate and too low recharge delay and this was already changed long time ago. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
323
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:11:00 -
[75] - Quote
Soooooooo. It's a glitch that needs taking care of? |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:11:00 -
[76] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:Quick question: How do you know this wasn't intended?
Is there anywhere in the game where it states that shields recharge delay should be reset every time you take damage?
Its not game breaking, I kill shield tankers all of the time with it, and I die as a shield tanker all of the time with it.
Because it didn't happen before Uprising. It was also confirmed to be a defect by CCP. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
701
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:20:00 -
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Good work Jack!
Next time you should think before your post. What happens next is entirely up to you. Everytime you say something stupid, offensive, and just straight up QQ. I am going to attack one of your districts and sieze it. If Dust Uni owns zero land then just makes you irelivent in my eyes and feedback void |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:27:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Good work Jack!
Next time you should think before your post. What happens next is entirely up to you. Everytime you say something stupid, offensive, and just straight up QQ. I am going to attack one of your districts and sieze it. If Dust Uni owns zero land then just makes you irelivent in my eyes and feedback void I actually agree to a point. He made it seem like the bug is a dramatic advantage to shields. While it's just an annoyance. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
363
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:30:00 -
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Catina Mercia wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Good work Jack!
Next time you should think before your post. What happens next is entirely up to you. Everytime you say something stupid, offensive, and just straight up QQ. I am going to attack one of your districts and sieze it. If Dust Uni owns zero land then just makes you irelivent in my eyes and feedback void I actually agree to a point. He made it seem like the bug is a dramatic advantage to shields. While it's just an annoyance. it actually gives a few extra HP during a gunfight. you dont actually have to go for cover to benefit from it, it also happens mid fight. I would say that some extra hp is beyond an annoyance. |
HARDFACTS DUSTTRUTH
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:34:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that 1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades... 2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods 3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unreadhow is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway. now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits... *edit* altered title and text slightly to make the points clear.
An armor suit in the right hands can take out a Caldari suit with ease.
Armor can have loads more hit points and stack damage mods, slap a flux on the suit and there you have it. DEAD caldari. Learn how to counter the things before you come screaming nerf noob.
If a caldari suit kills you first toe to toe its because you suck and need to learn how to aim. |
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
368
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:36:00 -
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HARDFACTS DUSTTRUTH wrote:An armor suit in the right hands can take out a Caldari suit with ease. Armor can have loads more hit points and stack damage mods, slap a flux on the suit and there you have it. DEAD caldari. Learn how to counter the things before you come screaming nerf noob. If a caldari suit kills you first toe to toe its because you suck and need to learn how to aim. hey look, we havent heard that "argument" yet and it was never trashed before. but thanks anyway for bumping my thread with a trollpost, your attempt to derail this thread just failed and you served me well as it will just bring more attention. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1210
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:13:00 -
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I can't believe there are people trying to say this bug either doesn't exist or isn't detrimental to the game.
Sometimes I am in a face to face gunfight with someone dancing around and get half their shields down but then have to reload - by the time I've reloaded, their shields are already charging; that's about 1 second. The only possible reason it could be is that the delay starts much earlier than the last hit or as has been thoroughly tested and acknowledged by CCP, it actually starts at the first hit.
Yes, this affects all suits, however it affects suits that rely heavily on shields a lot more. Caldari suits are heavily shield focused, so they benefit most from this bug. Think it's not a problem? Just wait for cal heavies to come and see if you can take down 1k shields before they start repping infront of your eyes! |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2850
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:14:00 -
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I see this far too often when I'm sniping. Immediately after the first shot, their shields come back again. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:20:00 -
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HARDFACTS DUSTTRUTH wrote:Jack McReady wrote:ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that 1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades... 2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods 3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unreadhow is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway. now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits... *edit* altered title and text slightly to make the points clear. An armor suit in the right hands can take out a Caldari suit with ease. Armor can have loads more hit points and stack damage mods, slap a flux on the suit and there you have it. DEAD caldari. Learn how to counter the things before you come screaming nerf noob. If a caldari suit kills you first toe to toe its because you suck and need to learn how to aim. This has been debunked countless of times. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752 This thread crushes every single argument you could make. Ever. |
LT Dans Legs
Bullet Cluster
181
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:32:00 -
[85] - Quote
Im so sick of this Uprising crap build. Whatever happened to the Dust everyone enjoyed? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1575
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:37:00 -
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Catina Mercia wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Quick question: How do you know this wasn't intended?
Is there anywhere in the game where it states that shields recharge delay should be reset every time you take damage?
Its not game breaking, I kill shield tankers all of the time with it, and I die as a shield tanker all of the time with it.
Because it didn't happen before Uprising. It was also confirmed to be a defect by CCP.
Source? |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
821
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:30:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:pfft i can make a logi with 796 armor and 220 regen
a well placed core locus and that party is over |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
989
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:34:00 -
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By December I suspect the game will have its name changed to Caldari & Assault Rifle 514 |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:28:00 -
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LT Dans Legs wrote:Im so sick of this Uprising crap build. Whatever happened to the Dust everyone enjoyed? The "Everyone enjoyd" never existed because bugs have ALWAYS been t(beta-release) to screw up everything. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
2981
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:29:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that 1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades... 2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods 3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unreadhow is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway. now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits... *edit* altered title and text slightly to make the points clear. 1.4 cannot come soon enough. Also:
So we have confirmation they're working on the balance issues. |
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