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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
343
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:31:00 -
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ok, I just started to play a bit of dust after a break and after a few matches I saw that
1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades... 2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods 3. awesome, shields recharge during a firefight even when they are hit. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unread
how I am supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than my armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during the firefight due to a bug... and this is known for 2 months and not fixed yet? oh and the grenades
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dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
299
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:43:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that 1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades... 2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods 3. awesome, shields recharge during a firefight even when they are hit. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unreadhow I am supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than my armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during the firefight due to a bug... and this is known for 2 months and not fixed yet? oh and the grenades Guys...guys!!!! Just *one* more nerf!! Please!!! |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
143
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:45:00 -
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Get them alone without those nades and many of them fall. You need to lure them out. I went toe to toe with one and left him with a sliver of health. He had a duvolle and I had a gek. His suit was proto.
Lots of guys rely on the pack and equipment. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
243
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:46:00 -
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Use a flux and they're as good as dead.
Forecasting flux-nerf QQ for September. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
343
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:50:00 -
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I see some people cannot read and hung up on the grenade part.... let me repeat this slowly for you: shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly
what about "is not working properly" that you dont understand. I find it amusing how people give me "advice" to counter a bug to save their crutches. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:51:00 -
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There is an imbalance, you are correct. However, with the right tactics, and/or the right weapon, you can counter them (somewhat).
However, it is still frustrating, and what you speak of made me abandon my Gallente armour tanking character until things get fixed. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
343
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:57:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:There is an imbalance, you are correct. However, with the right tactics, and/or the right weapon, you can counter them (somewhat).
imbalance? more like game breaking issue when shields recharge while they are hit. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:12:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:There is an imbalance, you are correct. However, with the right tactics, and/or the right weapon, you can counter them (somewhat).
imbalance? more like game breaking issue when shields recharge while they are hit. and those fast moving lolstrafing caldari suits are not easy to flux at all (not to mention that I shouldnt be forced to use certain weapons to counter bugs)
I do have a tendency to understate things.
The issues you speak of were (and still are) game breaking for my Gallente character. So much so that I abandoned it over two months ago.
Another thing I've noticed is that some Caldari use the shield energizers to great effect, which makes the bug you mention even worse than it already is. Shields that regenerate at 50+ HP/s, plus the bug, is awful to go up against. |
Callidus Vanus
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
145
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:18:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote: shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly
It does they fixed it, its just the cal assault suit has a bonus to shield recharging, combined with a complex shield regulator and a complex shield energizer and you have one uber shield rep. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:28:00 -
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(That's my alt who made that thread) You are correct sir, armor tanking is underpowered, Caldari are overpowered compared to other suits and shield delay is broken.
However, Armor vs Shields is being looked at and CCP Wolfman is already testing new numbers for armor plates. I also told him how the Gallente suit itself is the weakest of the four medium frame suits, though he didn't reply. This is all from IRC. |
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Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:28:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:I see some people cannot read and hung up on the grenade part.... let me repeat this slowly for you: shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly
what about "is not working properly" that you dont understand. I find it amusing how people give me "advice" to counter a bug to save their crutches. Mine works normaly, it dont regen when im getting hit and I run caldari assualt armour |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:33:00 -
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Jade Hasegawa wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I see some people cannot read and hung up on the grenade part.... let me repeat this slowly for you: shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly
what about "is not working properly" that you dont understand. I find it amusing how people give me "advice" to counter a bug to save their crutches. Mine works normaly, it dont regen when im getting hit and I run caldari assualt armour Video or it didn't happen. This was tested a thousand times, and your regeneration starts even after your just got hit.
Cat Merc |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:42:00 -
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Catina Mercia wrote:Jade Hasegawa wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I see some people cannot read and hung up on the grenade part.... let me repeat this slowly for you: shields recharge while you get hit because the recharge delay is not working properly
what about "is not working properly" that you dont understand. I find it amusing how people give me "advice" to counter a bug to save their crutches. Mine works normaly, it dont regen when im getting hit and I run caldari assualt armour Video or it didn't happen. This was tested a thousand times, and your regeneration starts even after your just got hit.
Cat Merc this, you dont even have to test it, just watching your own or enemies shield bars during gunfights is enough as long as it wasnt fully depleted. no one has 100% accuracy and misses in between thus you will sooner or later see how your own or enemies shield raises between hits and I doubt that the shield recharge delay of suits is 0.5seconds or less.
currently you are better off in a std caldari suit than in any proto armor tanked suit. |
The Robot Devil
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
827
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:56:00 -
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McFurious wrote:Use a flux and they're as good as dead.
Forecasting flux-nerf QQ for September.
You must have Divination level 5. I agree, the flux may get a ride on the nerf coaster. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
484
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:06:00 -
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Flux grenades are a hard counter to shields at the moment. There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. It'll drop duel-tanked caldari suits into about half armor, though. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:10:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Flux grenades are a hard counter to shields at the moment. There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. It'll drop duel-tanked caldari suits into about half armor, though. another one defending a bug because he cant fight without a crutch. the obvious lie is also amazing, 300 splash damage and he claims he instagib caldari suits with it |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
193
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:17:00 -
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The bug is simply this, when shields are hit the delay starts the timer, however the timer does not reset when damaged, however as soon as the recharging starts, if the suit is damaged, the recharge will stop and the timer will reset once again.
The OP is trying to make it sound like you will be recharging shields even under fire, this is simply untrue. I am a caldari myself, and i dont have a problem killing other shield users because i understand this, since the bug cause them the quick initial recharge i simply do some tiny bit of damage once they start the recharge, to stop it & delay the shields once again. Its very easy to exploit shields weaknesses. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:45:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:The bug is simply this, when shields are hit the delay starts the timer, however the timer does not reset when damaged, however as soon as the recharging starts, if the suit is damaged, the recharge will stop and the timer will reset once again.
The OP is trying to make it sound like you will be recharging shields even under fire, this is simply untrue. I am a caldari myself, and i dont have a problem killing other shield users because i understand this, since the bug cause them the quick initial recharge i simply do some tiny bit of damage once they start the recharge, to stop it & delay the shields once again. Its very easy to exploit shields weaknesses. another crutch defender. in a gunfight, the armor tanked suits shields get depleted first, caldari suit runs behind cover for a short time and regains huge hp almost instantly. the armor tanked suit gets nothing because of depleted delay and will not be able to catch up with the caldari suits mobility to continue shooting him. this is not outplaying but simply abusing the recharge delay bug cause the armor tanked suit has no time to catch up and he cant run away because the caldari suit is faster.
the only way to stop this from happening is hitting the suit with the flux in which case the caldari suit can simply run away from any armor tanked suit. also hitting those lolspeed caldari suits with a flux is not easy to begin with.
so please get real... |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
700
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:54:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ok, I just started to play a bit of dust again after a break and after a few matches I saw that 1. all the pros run in caldari suits spamming core grenades... 2. nice, those grenades one shot my armor tanked proto suit with proto tank mods 3. and because that is not enough advantage, an awesome BUG gives them a crutch too cause shields recharge during a gunfight even when they are hit. shield recharge delay obviously does not always work properly, known for 2 months and still not fixed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88305&find=unreadhow is someone supposed to win against that? a caldari suit not only has huge shield pool and faster movement speed (lolstrafe) than any armor tanked suit, the shields also recharge at massive amounts per second during a gunfight due to a bug giving them higher durability than intendend... and when the caldari suits gets low you simply use your superiour movement and hide behind cover, the armor tanked suit is not going to catch up anyway. now imagine a new player comes right from the acadamy (now even after 400 wp) and gets thrown into the pool with all those caldari proto suits... *edit* altered title and text slightly to make the points clear.
Maybe you should ask for permission from your leaders before you start making stupid posts.
1. Caldari is no longer the master race suit.
2. I know a number of players who make armour tanking viable
3. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7082
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:55:00 -
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Doesn't the OP see complaints about the mass driver on GD? |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1087
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the OP see complaints about the mass driver on GD? the flux+ MD beats all shield tankers... thats why the QQ from the MD is at because you kill them before their shield start to recharge so probably did. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
345
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the OP see complaints about the mass driver on GD? they cry because you can get hit around corners when you try to instantly recharge shields in safety
ReGnYuM wrote: Maybe you should ask for permission from your leaders before you start making stupid posts.
1. Caldari is no longer the master race suit.
2. I know a number of players who make armour tanking viable
3. You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about.
so, you claim that the bug does not exist and grenades cannot one shot proto armor suits with proto tank mods, when it is clearly the case?
so, when my post is stupid then yours reaches a new level of stupidity, in which case we would have to invent a new word for it. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:01:00 -
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Shields are working fine.
None of these armor people are going to complain after 1.4 when their armor is straight IMBA from all the QQ.
it's cool, not worried. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
484
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:03:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Flux grenades are a hard counter to shields at the moment. There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. It'll drop duel-tanked caldari suits into about half armor, though. another one defending a bug because he cant fight without a crutch. the obvious lie is also amazing, 300 splash damage and he claims he instagib caldari suits with it I have every suit to adv, all weapons to adv or proto, all vehicles, proto or adv turrets, many modules, good core skills. I tend to run my amarr suits, although I run x3 damage mod minmatar m/1 series or damage mod x3 caldari c/1 series suit for the plasma cannon with the adv plasma cannon.
I believe you are mistaken about what I am saying and I believe you have never actually used a plasma cannon in combat with a positive kd. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
345
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:06:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I believe you are mistaken about what I am saying and have I believe you have never actually used a plasma cannon in combat with a positive kd.
I do not need to use a plasma cannon, I can read numbers and do the math and everyone else that can instantly sees that this is an obvious lie. unfitted STD caldari suits against a proto cannon with proto dmg mods obviously does not count as argument |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
485
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:09:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I believe you are mistaken about what I am saying and have I believe you have never actually used a plasma cannon in combat with a positive kd.
I do not need to use a plasma cannon, I can read numbers and do the math and everyone else that can instantly sees that this is an obvious lie. unfitted STD caldari suits against a proto cannon with proto dmg mods obviously does not count as argument https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1153518#post1153518 |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
345
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:12:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I believe you are mistaken about what I am saying and have I believe you have never actually used a plasma cannon in combat with a positive kd.
I do not need to use a plasma cannon, I can read numbers and do the math and everyone else that can instantly sees that this is an obvious lie. unfitted STD caldari suits against a proto cannon with proto dmg mods obviously does not count as argument https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1153518#post1153518 you claim you can one shot shield tanke caldari suits with the splash damage (which obviously isnt true) and then you post an absolutely unrelated link with no proof? |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
485
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:17:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I believe you are mistaken about what I am saying and have I believe you have never actually used a plasma cannon in combat with a positive kd.
I do not need to use a plasma cannon, I can read numbers and do the math and everyone else that can instantly sees that this is an obvious lie. unfitted STD caldari suits against a proto cannon with proto dmg mods obviously does not count as argument https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1153518#post1153518 and this post is related because? you claim you can one shot shield tanke caldari suits with the splash damage (which obviously isnt true) and then you post an absolutely unrelated link with no proof? Why are you so upset? I didn't come to your thread to disagree with you about the shield recharge bug, I came to offer a solution until the dev team get it fixed. I get the feeling that you think I've come here to defend the mechanic when I haven't. You claim that I'm here telling fibs when all I offer is my recent experience with various weapon systems verses the bug by offering advice on the more successful at defeating those who would rely on the crutch for their success. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
345
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:21:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Why are you so upset? I didn't come to your thread to disagree with you about the shield recharge bug, I came to offer a solution until the dev team get it fixed. I get the feeling that you think I've come here to defend the mechanic when I haven't. You claim that I'm here telling fibs when all I offer is my recent experience with various weapon systems verses the bug by offering advice on the more successful at defeating those who would rely on the crutch for their success.
I am not upset but amazed about the defensive posts regarding an obvious bug. also how do you expect me to listen to advice from someone that claims that you can instagib shield tanked caldari suits with the plasma cannon with the splash damage?
Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:.... There is also a lesser known hard counter: The Plasma Cannon. The Plasma cannon will insta-gib any regulated caldari suit with its splash. .... |
axis alpha
Red Star. EoN.
49
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:34:00 -
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Lies all lies. U just want a nerf on caldari suits. Stahp just stahp |
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