I earn 1700 WP in my first match today, and I was so happy to see my Skillpoints until the moment they show up.
Only 6000 SP for earning 1700 WP? Are you ******* kidding my? I earn in regular matches around 5000 SP with less then 1000 WP and you call this a "2x SP event"? I call it bullshit!

Why?
Well, the only way for me to get the double SP from my regular SP which is 5000SP is by purchasing a active skill booster.
This way, and only this way I could have had around 10K SP after the 1700WP match.

You told us, that you don't double the passive SP in a match, only double the amount of SP which you get from WP to punish or prevent the AFK people. Well guess what!? There is still a crap ton of people afk in the mcc or on the field not moving!

The only people you have punished are the one without a active skillbooster, and that is the ugly truth!


TL:TR it is only double SP if you use active skillboosters.

AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long.

Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC.

AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long.

Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC.

Whoa, Is this for real? Because I've sworn off buying active boosters they are a waste of money in my case. Can anyone else confirm this? I haven't got the chance to play yet. Work and real life stuff.

That fact that people are proud of AFK means CCP has to do something about it.

I earn 1700 WP in my first match today, and I was so happy to see my Skillpoints until the moment they show up.
Only 6000 SP for earning 1700 WP? Are you ******* kidding my? I earn in regular matches around 5000 SP with less then 1000 WP and you call this a "2x SP event"? I call it bullshit!

Why?
Well, the only way for me to get the double SP from my regular SP which is 5000SP is by purchasing a active skill booster.
This way, and only this way I could have had around 10K SP after the 1700WP match.

You told us, that you don't double the passive SP in a match, only double the amount of SP which you get from WP to punish or prevent the AFK people. Well guess what!? There is still a crap ton of people afk in the mcc or on the field not moving!

The only people you have punished are the one without a active skillbooster, and that is the ugly truth!


TL:TR it is only double SP if you use active skillboosters.

LOL....they doubled the SP per WP..........

sounds great until your realize that means its 2 SP per WP......

LOL Let the AFKing begin.....

CCP you dont push ppl out of the MCC until you lower the SP per second and raise the SP per WP up to reasonable levels.

Couldn't agree more.

Make me not want to AFK. Give me something interesting. Give me something with meaning. Make me want to enjoy leaving the MCC, instead of thinking where I'm going to get some more booze for my MCC-based minibar.

The only way to win against AFK'ers is not by forcing us out of the MCC, but making the game enjoyable. Also rolling SP cap wouldn't hurt.

The simple solution would be to just get rid of the cap, but no that cant happen for some stupid BS reason and a ignorant playerbase who insist the cap is a good thing.

I don't care about the cap! I nearly never have the time to cap out the normal SP.
This time I was thinking that I can at last earn some SP. You know? like playing effective, more SP per minute.



The thing is: Me and my RL buddies dated this event, we talked to our women to have a day off to play together.
We are pissed and offline now. One buddy was even pissed at me, because it was my idea to meet online today.
"Bla bla bla I could be out with my kids at the park now bla bla bla". Like its my fault.

Sounds like you don't like the game. Good news theres thousands of others out there to play.

I earn 1700 WP in my first match today, and I was so happy to see my Skillpoints until the moment they show up.
Only 6000 SP for earning 1700 WP? Are you ******* kidding my? I earn in regular matches around 5000 SP with less then 1000 WP and you call this a "2x SP event"? I call it bullshit!

Why?
Well, the only way for me to get the double SP from my regular SP which is 5000SP is by purchasing a active skill booster.
This way, and only this way I could have had around 10K SP after the 1700WP match.

You told us, that you don't double the passive SP in a match, only double the amount of SP which you get from WP to punish or prevent the AFK people. Well guess what!? There is still a crap ton of people afk in the mcc or on the field not moving!

The only people you have punished are the one without a active skillbooster, and that is the ugly truth!


TL:TR it is only double SP if you use active skillboosters.

Nope this wouldn't work either. Otherwise the gap in reward for doing well is too great.

I'm okay with SP being somewhat passive. But there are a variety of definitions of 'passive'.

You could get 3 SP passively. Then also:

+1 SP/s per objective you can see on your minimap (w/in 100m)
+1 SP/s per red-dot on your minimap up to +3 SP/second.

AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long.

Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC.

I just AFKed for 20 mins (1142 seconds to be exact) in one Dom match.

I earned 5638 SP, I started my timer as soon as I saw the map appear (I assume thats when it starts counting SP)

I threw down 5 Uplinks using my Logi suit, I got 325 WP.

But with the time spent in the match + My 325 WP + the 2x bonus, I should've gotten well over 6k SP. But instead I earned 5638 SP.

Did I start the timer too early, or are we really getting 2x SP?

The simple solution would be to just get rid of the cap, but no that cant happen for some stupid BS reason and a ignorant playerbase who insist the cap is a good thing.

I agree completely.

Remove the SP cap and put in 100% passive SP.

[quote=meri jin]IAlso, what if they could adjust the passive SP income rate based on where you were on the map? What if it was 2 SP in the redline, and then 7 SP within 100m of an objective. So the closer and more time spent fighting around an objective the better you did?

That would suck for the snipers that really want to make a difference and go hunting. You don't have to be near an objective to soften the assault, get rid of enemy campers or headshot those trying to hack your null cannon.

How about just nerfing SP inside the MCC for a start?

I think that your SP rewards should be more based on achieved war points. The better you get at your game, the faster you collect WP and lessen the grind.

That would suck for the snipers that really want to make a difference and go hunting. You don't have to be near an objective to soften the assault, get rid of enemy campers or headshot those trying to hack your null cannon.

How about just nerfing SP inside the MCC for a start?

I think that your SP rewards should be more based on achieved war points. The better you get at your game, the faster you collect WP and lessen the grind.

Couldn't agree more.

Make me not want to AFK. Give me something interesting. Give me something with meaning. Make me want to enjoy leaving the MCC, instead of thinking where I'm going to get some more booze for my MCC-based minibar.

The only way to win against AFK'ers is not by forcing us out of the MCC, but making the game enjoyable. Also rolling SP cap wouldn't hurt.

[quote=MlDDLE MANGEMENT]The cap IS a good thing! If its for me, I would remove the active SP totally!

That would give players even less of a reason to play. It won't affect the player base, but it will result in less matches played.

We need both active and passive SP, but active SP should be based more on actual achievements (such as WP). Give people more reason to play and do their best, and lessen the grind for more advanced players.

Getting SP for just logging in and huddling in the MCC is ridiculous. If you don't like the game, then don't ruin it for others.

AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long.

Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC.

Who ever said that the purpose of this event was to "force people out of the MCC" or to "punish" anybody?

Maybe CCP just thought it would be nice to give us a double XP event but, in light of how many people simply AFKed the last time, arranged this event so that AFKing would be less effective?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it works then, because I was under the impression that PASSIVE SP gain (from sitting in the MCC, for example) wasn't doubled and that only ACTIVE SP gain was?

Regardless, my comment was more for a clarification of the PURPOSE of the event (that it was somehow meant as a means to prevent AFKing), rather than how it works.

All I meant was that, just because they have set it up in a way that they hope to discourage AFKing during the event, doesn't necessarily mean that discouraging AFKing is the REASON for the event.

That fact that people are proud of AFK means CCP has to do something about it.

And what we are getting is a "double-SP-event-only-for-active-boosters.-PS:-you-can-still-afk,-but-make-it-double!"

You only get passive SP in match while you're spawned in. Spawn (map) screen, at any point of the battle, means no SP/sec. So you need to start your stopwatch when you're on the ground and stop it any time you die until you have spawned back in.

If you had been in match for those 1142 seconds, your SP would be:

1142 * 5 = 5710
325 * 2 = 650
SP total = 6360

Even without the double WP bonus you should have received over 6k SP had you been in the match for that amount of time.

As for OP, how long was the match? The bulk of your SP will still be from time spent in battle.

Active boosters do absolute nothing to the cap, you DO NOT reach the cap faster with an active booster on.

I ******* know that! And I was talking about that I would need a active skillbooster to get the double SP in this event.
Do you even read the first posting?

I'm (still) not talking about the cap here!
This should be a double SP and a double cap event.
In order to get the double SP I need to use active booster, because I only get slightly more SP that i would do regularly.

isn't your 'bonus SP' pool doubled?

removing the passive SP makes afkers take even longer to cap

yes the active gamer will also take much longer to cap...

not agreeing or disagreeing with it, just stating my understanding of it

May be it is my fault. May be my English skills aren't as good as I was hoping they are, but I'm mature enough to try it one more time in another words. So ZDub 303, listen up.

Look at this please: Double Skill Point Event for August! http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/double-skill-point-event-for-august/

Look at the points:

• Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.
• The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.
• Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).
• Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.
• Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

As a normal player I get around 5000 SP, nearly every match.
Now that this event have started I'm earning around 6000 SP, nearly every match.

Did you see it? Without event 5000 SP, with the double SP event 6000 SP!
This is because of the last two points I have written above. So, for me to get the double amount of SP in this so called double SP event, I need to use a active skillbooster. And this is it what makes me so upset. That they cal it double SP event, but in real this is just a bold way to sell the boosters.

May be it is my fault. May be my English skills aren't as good as I was hoping they are, but I'm mature enough to try it one more time in another words. So ZDub 303, listen up.

Look at this please: Double Skill Point Event for August! http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/double-skill-point-event-for-august/

Look at the points:

• Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.
• The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.
• Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).
• Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.
• Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

As a normal player I get around 5000 SP, nearly every match.
Now that this event have started I'm earning around 6000 SP, nearly every match.

Did you see it? Without event 5000 SP, with the double SP event 6000 SP!
This is because of the last two points I have written above. So, for me to get the double amount of SP in this so called double SP event, I need to use a active skillbooster. And this is it what makes me so upset. That they cal it double SP event, but in real this is just a bold way to sell the boosters.

Look I get what you're saying man. You're saying that we have double cap but not double SP. This is the same thing we have about 10 other threads complaining about lol.

Yes, the idea of double SP/WP was a bad one.

I get what you are saying that the combination of active booster + double SP/WP can get you close to double SP per match. But whatever dude, it was another bad idea... hopefully they will learn from it and we can move on.

Do what the rest of us are doing and afk for twice as long or don't play at all.

CCP dropped the ball again with false wording. AFK farming is still better to do. Once again the ONLY thing that was doubled is the weekly cap, there is NO double SP at all. In no way, shape, or form.

CCP fails again

Well what happen is CCP was SUPPOSED to make it where all SP gained through WP was SUPPOSED to be doubled to encourage people to get out the MCC and play. Only it's NOT true, it is the same as it always is. The only thing that has been doubled is the weekly cap. I soloed this morning and had some nice games expecting to get crazy double SP and I got the same as I would normally get. I have done the comparison I get the same amount of SP AFK farming than I do playing the game.

CCP dropped the ball again with false wording. AFK farming is still better to do. Once again the ONLY thing that was doubled is the weekly cap, there is NO double SP at all. In no way, shape, or form.

Look I get what you're saying man. You're saying that we have double cap but not double SP. This is the same thing we have about 10 other threads complaining about lol.

Yes, the idea of double SP/WP was a bad one.

I get what you are saying that the combination of active booster + double SP/WP can get you close to double SP per match. But whatever dude, it was another bad idea... hopefully they will learn from it and we can move on.

Do what the rest of us are doing and afk for twice as long or don't play at all.

You're cool after all.

There is no CCP fail here, the event, per his description, is working exactly as described unless you conveniently overlook the parts that clearly say, "

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming." and "

Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points."

He's getting double his warpoint SP.
He's getting his doubled cap.
The things advertized he got, boosters are irrelevant to the argument.

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I earn 1700 WP in my first match today, and I was so happy to see my Skillpoints until the moment they show up.
Only 6000 SP for earning 1700 WP? Are you ******* kidding my? I earn in regular matches around 5000 SP with less then 1000 WP and you call this a "2x SP event"? I call it bullshit!

Why?
Well, the only way for me to get the double SP from my regular SP which is 5000SP is by purchasing a active skill booster.
This way, and only this way I could have had around 10K SP after the 1700WP match.

You told us, that you don't double the passive SP in a match, only double the amount of SP which you get from WP to punish or prevent the AFK people. Well guess what!? There is still a crap ton of people afk in the mcc or on the field not moving!

The only people you have punished are the one without a active skillbooster, and that is the ugly truth!


TL:TR it is only double SP if you use active skillboosters.

EDIT:

Due to a lot confusion, let me try it to explain this way:

May be it is my fault. May be my English skills aren't as good as I was hoping they are, but I'm mature enough to try it one more time in another words.
Look at this please: Double Skill Point Event for August! http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/double-skill-point-event-for-august/

Look at the points:


Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.
The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.
Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).
Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.
Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.



As a normal player I get around 5000 SP, nearly every match.
Now that this event have started I'm earning around 6000 SP, nearly every match.

Did you see it? Without event 5000 SP, with the double SP event 6000 SP!
This is because of the last two points I have written above. So, for me to get the double amount of SP in this so called double SP event, I need to use a active skillbooster. And this is it what makes me so upset. That they cal it double SP event, but in real this is just a bold way to sell the boosters.

Whoa, Is this for real? Because I've sworn off buying active boosters they are a waste of money in my case. Can anyone else confirm this? I haven't got the chance to play yet. Work and real life stuff.

The continuous promises of new content and updates along with a long term roadmap has me hooked. I can't think of any other console game that has updates every month, or one that has planned support for the next decade.

I'm biding my time for when all of the good and fun stuff come along. When it does, I'll have all the SP I'll need to fully enjoy it from day one (c'mon pilot suits). Until then, the SP system would *nonconsentual sex* me for leaving, so I'm forced to AFK until the game gets interesting, then play with all my ("hard earned") SP.

I think ccp enjoys reading all of our rants. Notice how nobody from ccp has commented or posted to all of the negative feedback? This event is pathetic and its even more pathetic that somebody was paid cash money to create this *hitstorm!

I have never hit my weekly cap. Ever. My friend has hit it a couple of times. He has 3 million SP more than me but I don't care. I still have better stats than him (and I run a 5,800 isk suit). I don't know what this story has to do with anything.

oh yeah!

Double SP week was such a tease. I average about 4000 to 5000 on a regular day and, well, on Double SP week I average a little bit more but NOT 8000 to 10,000 as I thought I would.

Oh well. I'll have an awesome merc about this time next year. Thank you passive SP.

Afk is a vital tactic in dust and everyone wants to fix it besides ccp

If afk was banned the population would NEVER hit 3k is that what you really want? 2500 dedicated kb/m evetards to play a lobby shooter with?

Kill afkers and you will kill dust