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Minmatar Citizen 3173120 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:01:00 - [31] - Quote Dude i make 2000 WP every match! First match 478,194isk 8,854sp 4,427sp active booster Be greatful your not getting BOOTED and LOOSING 2mill in gear like I just did!
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 220	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:09:00 - [32] - Quote Is there anything that CCP can do right without ******* it up a hundred times before ?
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:10:00 - [33] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I just AFKed for 20 mins (1142 seconds to be exact) in one Dom match. I earned 5638 SP, I started my timer as soon as I saw the map appear (I assume thats when it starts counting SP) I threw down 5 Uplinks using my Logi suit, I got 325 WP. But with the time spent in the match + My 325 WP + the 2x bonus, I should've gotten well over 6k SP. But instead I earned 5638 SP. Did I start the timer too early, or are we really getting 2x SP? You only get passive SP in match while you're spawned in. Spawn (map) screen, at any point of the battle, means no SP/sec. So you need to start your stopwatch when you're on the ground and stop it any time you die until you have spawned back in. If you had been in match for those 1142 seconds, your SP would be: 1142 * 5 = 5710 325 * 2 = 650 SP total = 6360 Even without the double WP bonus you should have received over 6k SP had you been in the match for that amount of time. As for OP, how long was the match? The bulk of your SP will still be from time spent in battle.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5649	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:11:00 - [34] - Quote MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote: The simple solution would be to just get rid of the cap, but no that cant happen for some stupid BS reason and a ignorant playerbase who insist the cap is a good thing. I agree completely. Remove the SP cap and put in 100% passive SP.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 739	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:15:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote: The simple solution would be to just get rid of the cap, but no that cant happen for some stupid BS reason and a ignorant playerbase who insist the cap is a good thing. I agree completely. Remove the SP cap and put in 100% passive SP. Despite the fact that I believe this idea is [email protected] better than what CCP has currently done..........and that is a very sad statement.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 634	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:18:00 - [36] - Quote I saw this coming when they explianed how it works. I only pitty the people who don't usually cap out on normal weeks and thought they could buy a booster and "catch up" a bit this week. But for those who usually cap out the first 2-3 days and stop, it is an incentive to play more. And yeah, I almost expect to see more AFKers this week.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1012	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:23:00 - [37] - Quote Why has nobody addressed the "remove the SP cap" elephant. They had that at one point, but it wasn't fair to people with a life. That is the plain reason. Now you can debate whether CCP should care whether that sense of fairness matters in this game. While I would argue that not all kinds of fairness matter in a sandbox, makind a player's personal life a penalty in a game isn't what you want from a design/enjoyment perspective.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:23:00 - [38] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: [quote=meri jin]IAlso, what if they could adjust the passive SP income rate based on where you were on the map? What if it was 2 SP in the redline, and then 7 SP within 100m of an objective. So the closer and more time spent fighting around an objective the better you did? That would suck for the snipers that really want to make a difference and go hunting. You don't have to be near an objective to soften the assault, get rid of enemy campers or headshot those trying to hack your null cannon. How about just nerfing SP inside the MCC for a start? I think that your SP rewards should be more based on achieved war points. The better you get at your game, the faster you collect WP and lessen the grind.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 740	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:28:00 - [39] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: [quote=meri jin]IAlso, what if they could adjust the passive SP income rate based on where you were on the map? What if it was 2 SP in the redline, and then 7 SP within 100m of an objective. So the closer and more time spent fighting around an objective the better you did? That would suck for the snipers that really want to make a difference and go hunting. You don't have to be near an objective to soften the assault, get rid of enemy campers or headshot those trying to hack your null cannon. How about just nerfing SP inside the MCC for a start? I think that your SP rewards should be more based on achieved war points. The better you get at your game, the faster you collect WP and lessen the grind. Finally another voice that has some sense. Good players should have lower grind....but they dont because CCP fails.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 220	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:28:00 - [40] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: [quote=meri jin]IAlso, what if they could adjust the passive SP income rate based on where you were on the map? What if it was 2 SP in the redline, and then 7 SP within 100m of an objective. So the closer and more time spent fighting around an objective the better you did? That would suck for the snipers that really want to make a difference and go hunting. You don't have to be near an objective to soften the assault, get rid of enemy campers or headshot those trying to hack your null cannon. How about just nerfing SP inside the MCC for a start? I think that your SP rewards should be more based on achieved war points. The better you get at your game, the faster you collect WP and lessen the grind. If you getting Pubstomped, this would mean you have no WP. The Corp don't get WP because the public's are not fighting, and the the public don't get WP, obviously.

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 57	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:29:00 - [41] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. That fact that people are proud of AFK means CCP has to do something about it. Couldn't agree more. Make me not want to AFK. Give me something interesting. Give me something with meaning. Make me want to enjoy leaving the MCC, instead of thinking where I'm going to get some more booze for my MCC-based minibar. The only way to win against AFK'ers is not by forcing us out of the MCC, but making the game enjoyable. Also rolling SP cap wouldn't hurt. I get the long term goal but after what 15-16 million SP you'll max out a class save for maybe logi. Set some passives and come back in a few months.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:29:00 - [42] - Quote meri jin wrote: [quote=MlDDLE MANGEMENT]The cap IS a good thing! If its for me, I would remove the active SP totally! That would give players even less of a reason to play. It won't affect the player base, but it will result in less matches played. We need both active and passive SP, but active SP should be based more on actual achievements (such as WP). Give people more reason to play and do their best, and lessen the grind for more advanced players. Getting SP for just logging in and huddling in the MCC is ridiculous. If you don't like the game, then don't ruin it for others.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 293	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:34:00 - [43] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: meri jin wrote: [quote=MlDDLE MANGEMENT]The cap IS a good thing! If its for me, I would remove the active SP totally! That would give players even less of a reason to play. It won't affect the player base, but it will result in less matches played. We need both active and passive SP, but active SP should be based more on actual achievements (such as WP). Give people more reason to play and do their best, and lessen the grind for more advanced players. Getting SP for just logging in and huddling in the MCC is ridiculous. If you don't like the game, then don't ruin it for others. Because logging in just to play the game isn't the point right? Eve has no active SP. That is something Eve does do right. I've figured out the most MMO part of DUST is that those who spend the vast majority of their time and band together to exploit any and every function will always exclusively run the majority of the extensive features in this game. Everyone else is just there until they find they have nothing more to do.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 836	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:36:00 - [44] - Quote I got about 2200WP solo and only got 11k WP :( than another game 15-0 1200 WP 7kSP AFK 5-7kSP Not hard to figure out which I prefer.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:42:00 - [45] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. Who ever said that the purpose of this event was to "force people out of the MCC" or to "punish" anybody? Maybe CCP just thought it would be nice to give us a double XP event but, in light of how many people simply AFKed the last time, arranged this event so that AFKing would be less effective?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 220	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:45:00 - [46] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. Who ever said that the purpose of this event was to "force people out of the MCC" or to "punish" anybody? Maybe CCP just thought it would be nice to give us a double XP event but, in light of how many people simply AFKed the last time, arranged this event so that AFKing would be less effective? And what we are getting is a "double-SP-event-only-for-active-boosters.-PS:-you-can-still-afk,-but-make-it-double!"
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:56:00 - [47] - Quote Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it works then, because I was under the impression that PASSIVE SP gain (from sitting in the MCC, for example) wasn't doubled and that only ACTIVE SP gain was? Regardless, my comment was more for a clarification of the PURPOSE of the event (that it was somehow meant as a means to prevent AFKing), rather than how it works. All I meant was that, just because they have set it up in a way that they hope to discourage AFKing during the event, doesn't necessarily mean that discouraging AFKing is the REASON for the event.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 220	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:05:00 - [48] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it works then, because I was under the impression that PASSIVE SP gain (from sitting in the MCC, for example) wasn't doubled and that only ACTIVE SP gain was? Regardless, my comment was more for a clarification of the PURPOSE of the event (that it was somehow meant as a means to prevent AFKing), rather than how it works. All I meant was that, just because they have set it up in a way that they hope to discourage AFKing during the event, doesn't necessarily mean that discouraging AFKing is the REASON for the event. I unterstand you very well now. And still this so called "event" only serves the hardcore players.
howard sanchez spliff's channel 641	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:07:00 - [49] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. That fact that people are proud of AFK means CCP has to do something about it. Correct. CCP could take the advice offered here and try to reduce afk'ing with carrots rather than sticks. As a matter of fact, in my humble opinion, that is exactly what they are working on. CCP knows why thier players afk. They also hear from those same players what kinds of things would get them interested in playing more actively. The modifications to SP gain for this event may influence some but, thankfully, the changes were not so draconian to dictate behavior of players. I understand that some players believe that the is a correct and an incorrect way to "play" this game. And as long as CCP continues to provide players the freedom to choose how we play based on our own personal choices, I will continue to play ( and buy Aurum). The moment CCP decides to restrict player options and force us to comply with other players' views of correct behavior is the moment I and many others will truly depart in search of freedom from restrictions. But I think CCP knows that
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1513	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:09:00 - [50] - Quote meri jin wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. Who ever said that the purpose of this event was to "force people out of the MCC" or to "punish" anybody? Maybe CCP just thought it would be nice to give us a double XP event but, in light of how many people simply AFKed the last time, arranged this event so that AFKing would be less effective? And what we are getting is a "double-SP-event-only-for-active-boosters.-PS:-you-can-still-afk,-but-make-it-double!" Active boosters do absolute nothing to the cap, you DO NOT reach the cap faster with an active booster on.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1203	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:10:00 - [51] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I just AFKed for 20 mins (1142 seconds to be exact) in one Dom match. I earned 5638 SP, I started my timer as soon as I saw the map appear (I assume thats when it starts counting SP) I threw down 5 Uplinks using my Logi suit, I got 325 WP. But with the time spent in the match + My 325 WP + the 2x bonus, I should've gotten well over 6k SP. But instead I earned 5638 SP. Did I start the timer too early, or are we really getting 2x SP? You only get passive SP in match while you're spawned in. Spawn (map) screen, at any point of the battle, means no SP/sec. So you need to start your stopwatch when you're on the ground and stop it any time you die until you have spawned back in. If you had been in match for those 1142 seconds, your SP would be: 1142 * 5 = 5710 325 * 2 = 650 SP total = 6360 Even without the double WP bonus you should have received over 6k SP had you been in the match for that amount of time. As for OP, how long was the match? The bulk of your SP will still be from time spent in battle. I recently figured out that in-battle passive had actually been stealth nerfed to 4sp/s and it includes time between spawning too. Try it out sometime.
Dust Project 514 Pistol King 230	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:11:00 - [52] - Quote Perfect AFKing strats. 1. Join skirmish or Domination. 2. Stay in MCC. 3. Turn off TV for 10-15 mins. 4. Profit in-game money and save on electrical bill. BRILLIANT!
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 220	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:16:00 - [53] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: meri jin wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. Who ever said that the purpose of this event was to "force people out of the MCC" or to "punish" anybody? Maybe CCP just thought it would be nice to give us a double XP event but, in light of how many people simply AFKed the last time, arranged this event so that AFKing would be less effective? And what we are getting is a "double-SP-event-only-for-active-boosters.-PS:-you-can-still-afk,-but-make-it-double!" Active boosters do absolute nothing to the cap, you DO NOT reach the cap faster with an active booster on. I ******* know that! And I was talking about that I would need a active skillbooster to get the double SP in this event. Do you even read the first posting?
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1514	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:32:00 - [54] - Quote meri jin wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: meri jin wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: AFK'ing like a boss, and now I get to do it twice as long. Sorry, but trying to "force" people out of AFK won't work, especially when you now get a whopping 2 SP per WP instead of 1. Try making the game more fun to play so we won't want to AFK instead of trying to brute force us out of the MCC. Who ever said that the purpose of this event was to "force people out of the MCC" or to "punish" anybody? Maybe CCP just thought it would be nice to give us a double XP event but, in light of how many people simply AFKed the last time, arranged this event so that AFKing would be less effective? And what we are getting is a "double-SP-event-only-for-active-boosters.-PS:-you-can-still-afk,-but-make-it-double!" Active boosters do absolute nothing to the cap, you DO NOT reach the cap faster with an active booster on. I ******* know that! And I was talking about that I would need a active skillbooster to get the double SP in this event. Do you even read the first posting? Why is this a double event only for active boosters? your comment makes no sense. Whether or not you use boosters, you will still have a doubled cap. Yes I read the OP, care to explain how an active booster makes any difference so I can show you why you're wrong?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 221	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:35:00 - [55] - Quote I'm (still) not talking about the cap here! This should be a double SP and a double cap event. In order to get the double SP I need to use active booster, because I only get slightly more SP that i would do regularly.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1514	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:38:00 - [56] - Quote meri jin wrote: I'm (still) not talking about the cap here! This should be a double SP and a double cap event. In order to get the double SP I need to use active booster, because I only get slightly more SP that i would do regularly. No you're wrong dude, active booster DOES NOTHING to get you closer to the cap. I have an active booster and it will take me the same number of games to cap as you, I just get a free 50% SP on top of it.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 559	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:46:00 - [57] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: isn't your 'bonus SP' pool doubled? removing the passive SP makes afkers take even longer to cap yes the active gamer will also take much longer to cap... not agreeing or disagreeing with it, just stating my understanding of it bonus = the SP cap. The cap is doubled. (once your bonus SP runs out you go to 1k SP per match) the passive SP from being in a match (the 5sp per second thing) is not removed, it merely wasn't doubled ie left alone. The small portion of your SP per match that comes from WP has been doubled. In essence, the cap has been doubled, but AFKers get the same SP gain, people playing actively get a 20% SP gain. If you get like 2500 WP a match its probably more like a 50% SP gain. Conclusion, no matter if you're a scrub or a god, it will take you longer to cap out then it would for a regular week. CCP has said you can get double SP this week if you grind almost twice as long. Hence some players coming to the logical conclusion that this will really encourage AFKing rather than discouraging it. The only reason CCP can spin this as discouraging AFKing is because CCP doesn't explain how SP are calculated, although many players have figured out how.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 223	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:37:00 - [58] - Quote Are you people ******? I'm not talking about that skill boosters bring some one faster to the cap. I'm not even talking about the cap! FFS! I'm talking about the double active SP via the WP in a match! In a regular match, without the event, I'm making around 5000 SP. (and I could make another 2500 with a booster) In this event I'm making around 6xxx SP, even with 1700 WP. (and I could make another 4000 with a booster) Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to get the DOUBLE SP in this DOUBLE SP event who is called "Double Skill Point Event for August" The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event. Source I need to use an active booster! Because: 6xxx + 4xxx = 1xxxx <= 10000 SP. 10000 is double of my regular 5000 SP, you get it? Or should I draw you a *** picture? 10000 would be the double amount of my regular SP (I know I repeat myself, but you seems to need it in order to understand it). This so called double SP event only works for me if I use the booster. Otherwise it is only a "Slightly more SP event in August". And shut the ** up about the cap, I don't care about it, I don't talk about it, not even a little! I rarely manage to cap out the normal amount, this huge amount is even beyond! I have to be job less or alone to make that happen.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Eon. 1518	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:40:00 - [59] - Quote meri jin wrote: Are you people ******? I'm not talking about that skill boosters bring some one faster to the cap. I'm not even talking about the cap! FFS! I'm talking about the double active SP via the WP in a match! In a regular match, without the event, I'm making around 5000 SP. (and I could make another 2500 with a booster) In this event I'm making around 6xxx SP, even with 1700 WP. (and I could make another 4000 with a booster) Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to get the DOUBLE SP in this DOUBLE SP event who is called "Double Skill Point Event for August" The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event. Source I need to use an active booster! Because: 6xxx + 4xxx = 1xxxx <= 10000 SP. 10000 is double of my regular 5000 SP, you get it? Or should I draw you a *** picture? 10000 would be the double amount of my regular SP (I know I repeat myself, but you seems to need it in order to understand it). This so called double SP event only works for me if I use the booster. Otherwise it is only a "Slightly more SP event in August". And shut the ** up about the cap, I don't care about it, I don't talk about it, not even a little! I rarely manage to cap out the normal amount, this huge amount is even beyond! I have to be job less or alone to make that happen. So first... 6000 * 1.5 = 9000 not 10000. Which is gasp 50% more SP!? Just like it has always been!? So wtf are you even talking about? You are just ranting about nothing at this point. I think it clear who is the ret arded one in this thread.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 223	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:44:00 - [60] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: meri jin wrote: Are you people ******? I'm not talking about that skill boosters bring some one faster to the cap. I'm not even talking about the cap! FFS! I'm talking about the double active SP via the WP in a match! In a regular match, without the event, I'm making around 5000 SP. (and I could make another 2500 with a booster) In this event I'm making around 6xxx SP, even with 1700 WP. (and I could make another 4000 with a booster) Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to get the DOUBLE SP in this DOUBLE SP event who is called "Double Skill Point Event for August" The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event. Source I need to use an active booster! Because: 6xxx + 4xxx = 1xxxx <= 10000 SP. 10000 is double of my regular 5000 SP, you get it? Or should I draw you a *** picture? 10000 would be the double amount of my regular SP (I know I repeat myself, but you seems to need it in order to understand it). This so called double SP event only works for me if I use the booster. Otherwise it is only a "Slightly more SP event in August". And shut the ** up about the cap, I don't care about it, I don't talk about it, not even a little! I rarely manage to cap out the normal amount, this huge amount is even beyond! I have to be job less or alone to make that happen. So first... 6000 * 1.5 = 9000 not 10000. Which is gasp 50% more SP!? Just like it has always been!? So wtf are you even talking about? You are just ranting about nothing at this point. I think it clear who is the ret arded one in this thread. So first, learn to read, you still seems to have some problems there.



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