OP you missed the point somewhat, AURUM gear is so you can skip SP allocation too a degree, I have done that to use proto gear, but when I am having bad rounds (quite alot of them these days when I can be bothered with playing, game is going stale) its nice to swap to my Covenant DS with a Toxin AR and some ISKmods on knowing the ISK parts of that suit fitting only cost 10K ISK per fitting rather then 35K for my advanced, looking at the ISK cost of Duvolles/proto scramblers and the cost of proto Caldari assault suitsthats going to be 250 to 300K per suit, not fun to lose them

yes You now hoav a shiny BPO suit/gun/lav

but if it was superior and almost impossible to beat with ISK gear you would drive away those who cannot afford them, the few AURUM things I have came froma birthday PSN giftcard, and most of that went on SP boosters lol

Everyone hates you and you should probably find a game that you actually enjoy.

So I read the first one and stopped. This isn't pay to win noob. Risk is what makes this game unique compare to other shooters. Risk makes this game more of a challenge. You think just because you can pay for stuff with real money you should get an advantage? Seriously man. You don't like it GTFO Dust doesn't need people like you. You're going to complain about risk you'll never survive in New Eden. If everyone had BPO for higher stuff then what would be the point in using ISK items? it's a free game too, and by free it's actually free. Don't expect to win just because you pay with real money. That's not how this game is going to be, and it shouldn't be that way either.

So you're obviously ******* mental.

I mean, people are STILL posting threads about "pay-to-win" after all this time, and you are literally arguing that the game isn't good because you can't "pay-to-win"?

To clarify, I'm not a noob, I played this since the Beta launched, and used the ISK items, so I clearly understand both sides of the argument. I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it.

You obviously don't understand both sides if you're saying " I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it"

BPOs are where they need to be and they don't need anymore. You may say it's not pay2win because there is an isk variant but still. Even though there is an isk variant of everything doesn't eliminate the pay2win argument.

IF Mr. Moneybags comes into the game, he should be able to buy prototype, Adv gear (that are unlimited. keep that in mind) with real money. People with money can just buy all the unlimited gear they want. (It also comes at an earlier level).


More and better aurum gear will just cross that line of pay2win. It will only hurt the game.

I have a few problems:

1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example.

2. I'm sick of Iron sights. Why can't I have an A-cog scope to stick on my Toxin AR? Preferably a BPO module.

3. The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. I regularly get hit from far off distances with it, and that shouldn't happen. Same with Mass Drivers, I just played a match where either someone had rapid fire, or that firing rate needs to be seriously slowed down. I didn't get killed, but watched 4 of my teammates basically get sniped with one, in very quick succession.

4. Where is the armory and user marketplace we keep hearing is coming? If I want to share my equipment with my corp, I should be able to.

5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS.

6. Guys that sit there and camp in insanely high places. There needs to be map limits not just on boundaries on the ground, but up on buildings as well.

7. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc.

8. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people.

Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, for a game that's supposed to cater to people with multiple opinions (BPO's vs. consumables, etc.) it doesn't seem to.

But that's how eve works. Or haven't you heard about the 9000 dollar ship?

And for the record, I think the prototype gear is kind of BS although I don't know much about it. I'm talking about like the Sever, Raven, Dragonfly, stuff like that.

But that's how eve works. Or haven't you heard about the 9000 dollar ship?

And for the record, I think the prototype gear is kind of BS although I don't know much about it. I'm talking about like the Sever, Raven, Dragonfly, stuff like that.

Those BPOs are STD for money. BPOs should go above STD gear.

Did you hear about it blowing up?

Yeah, I laughed. Even a guy like me that buys BPO's thought 9000 is ridiculous.

As for orbitals, I know it's work to get ONE. keyword: one. maybe two. Not four.

True, I just think it should be limited. Like either multiple smaller strikes, or one great big one.

As for the BPO's, I own them all. The reason I do is because when the armory gets started, I want to be able to outfit the members of my corp in BPO gear. I plan on giving away everything except my Toxins, Raven suit, Covenant rifle and Dragonfly scout suit. Partially because I want to give my corp an advantage, but mostly because some of my members can't afford them. I'm not some BPO horder, I'm doing it for a reason. I'm lucky enough to be in a position to do so, I'm just upset at the lack of variety (although I can work with it) and most importantly not being able to share the gear that's sitting there collecting dust (no pun intended). I don't want to P2W, but I'm tired of seeing my corp, which is full of new members, getting slaughtered. I'm not even the corp leader. If CCP wants to draw more users, they need to fix this.

I am pretty sure the 9000$ ship was paid for by actual playtime on many players ingame. The materials and production cost was then converted into plex which was converted into $ just to put a scale on it and make people see how big it was, not because it was bought directly through $ or plex. Eve is not p2w, yes you can buy isk but there is no real advantage to that for long-term players.

It would be cool to see multiple strikes though. Almost like a war point bank. Would you get 2 small strikes or one big one?


As far as your second note. It's not really something that needs fixed, (unless you're talking about newbies getting slaughtered. Then yes, it needs to be fixed) I don't know how the corp asset things is gonna work (If you can give BPOs) but I see what your doing. People are getting slaughtered so you want to help out with some BPOs because you can... .

That's why BPOs are at the STD level. It gives people a good foothold to learn the game (While using unlimited gear. Therefore the won't have to worry about restocking.). BPOs aren't bad. they just make it so if you have the money, then you can use some OK unlimited gear. Or grind out for GOOD restockable gear.

I think what you REALLY want is the ability to trade items. You have the money to give players BPOs and you want to give your guys Good BPOs instead of OK ones.

I have a few problems:

1. My zero SP requirement BPOs that I paid money for should be better than prototype weapons that require around 1mil SP.

2. All my guns should have scopes because I played too much CoD.

3. People around me and I got killed or just hit by something that isn't an AR...NERF IT!

4. Merc market, I WANT IT NOW!

5. I got killed by an OB, the other team had a good squad, NERF IT!

6. I got sniped by a sniper, NERF IT!

7. After you make BPOs the best thing in the game, give me one for everything so I never have to skill into anyhting and can always win!

8. Everyone should have to play the game just like I do or I will whine and cry until my mommy makes you do what I say!

Overall, I like this game. But my parents always give me my way, so this game should too!

1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example.

I don't want to P2W

You joking?

Lulz. So many lulz.

This is no joke. Look at Eve Online for yourself if you don't believe me. The whole thing is one giant ecosystem of its own. There is no other mmo like it in the world.

That's no joke. He plays since six years and he played EVE for a whole lesson to show it.

I guess I'm going to take the time to address everyone individually.

Who are you to tell me to get out what Dust needs or doesn't? Again, people like me pay for this game so people like you can play it.

To clarify, I'm not a noob, I played this since the Beta launched, and used the ISK items, so I clearly understand both sides of the argument. I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it.

But that's how eve works. Or haven't you heard about the 9000 dollar ship?