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excillon united we stand x 0	Posted - 2013.08.03 09:06:00 - [1] - Quote I have a few problems: 1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example. 2. I'm sick of Iron sights. Why can't I have an A-cog scope to stick on my Toxin AR? Preferably a BPO module. 3. The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. I regularly get hit from far off distances with it, and that shouldn't happen. 4. Where is the armory and user marketplace we keep hearing is coming? If I want to share my equipment with my corp, I should be able to. 5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS. 6. Guys that sit there and camp in insanely high places. There needs to be map limits not just on boundaries on the ground, but up on buildings as well. 7. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc. 8. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people. Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, for a game that's supposed to cater to people with multiple opinions (BPO's vs. consumables, etc.) it doesn't seem to.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 07:49:00 - [2] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Pathetic self entitled child. Your daddy should get the advantage in the game, since he is the one paying for AUR on your account. Uh, no. I happen to be a very financially well off adult. Nice try though. Now, if you're done insulting my opinion instead of discussing it, move on.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 07:58:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Obvious troll is obvious. Don't feed him. A troll no. Just someone with an opinion that differs from the majority of others. I'm not alone, either. There's more of us than you think. So how does that make me a troll? Last I checked, I have a right to express it. You don't like it, or want to debate it, then why don't you just stay out of it. You hate a guy in real life, because he has a nicer car than you? Or a bigger house? No, you don't. I don't want to pay to win, I just want a better deal for what I pay for. So because I'm not some broke college kid gamer, and I want to buy my weapons, that makes me a troll? Am I everything that's wrong with dust then? Because as I mentioned in the original post, I'm actually contributing to developing this game by helping pay these developers salaries. You're playing this game, in part, because of people in EVE, and people like me that spend money and don't freeload. I brought this up to discuss it. If you have a different view, so be it. I respect that. Now you respect mine: If you're not here to discuss what I mentioned INTELLIGENTLY, then why don't you just do me a favor and **** off? Is that simple enough of a reply for you?
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:03:00 - [4] - Quote Jade Hasegawa wrote: OP you missed the point somewhat, AURUM gear is so you can skip SP allocation too a degree, I have done that to use proto gear, but when I am having bad rounds (quite alot of them these days when I can be bothered with playing, game is going stale) its nice to swap to my Covenant DS with a Toxin AR and some ISKmods on knowing the ISK parts of that suit fitting only cost 10K ISK per fitting rather then 35K for my advanced, looking at the ISK cost of Duvolles/proto scramblers and the cost of proto Caldari assault suitsthats going to be 250 to 300K per suit, not fun to lose them yes You now hoav a shiny BPO suit/gun/lav but if it was superior and almost impossible to beat with ISK gear you would drive away those who cannot afford them, the few AURUM things I have came froma birthday PSN giftcard, and most of that went on SP boosters lol I don't miss the point. I'm not saying make Aurum gear not have ISK equivalents. I"m saying that the bundles should be stocked better. I own every BPO on Dust right now that's purchased with Aurum (I have my reasons), and while they're ok, I just feel they should be more. It's not saying I should be better on a P2W side, it's that if people are spending money, they should get better. Don't change the game, improve the bundles.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:04:00 - [5] - Quote And to those who took time to honestly discuss and debate these things without jumping to the troll conclusions, thank you. Even if your opinion differs from mine.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:15:00 - [6] - Quote Ren Ratner wrote: Everyone hates you and you should probably find a game that you actually enjoy. You actually hate someone because they have a different view? How very ignorant of you. And I have lots of other games I'm good at, I'll bury anyone here on killzone. That's not the point.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:20:00 - [7] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: So I read the first one and stopped. This isn't pay to win noob. Risk is what makes this game unique compare to other shooters. Risk makes this game more of a challenge. You think just because you can pay for stuff with real money you should get an advantage? Seriously man. You don't like it GTFO Dust doesn't need people like you. You're going to complain about risk you'll never survive in New Eden. If everyone had BPO for higher stuff then what would be the point in using ISK items? it's a free game too, and by free it's actually free. Don't expect to win just because you pay with real money. That's not how this game is going to be, and it shouldn't be that way either. I guess I'm going to take the time to address everyone individually. Who are you to tell me to get out what Dust needs or doesn't? Again, people like me pay for this game so people like you can play it. To clarify, I'm not a noob, I played this since the Beta launched, and used the ISK items, so I clearly understand both sides of the argument. I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:31:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: excillon wrote: Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. So you're obviously ******* mental. I mean, people are STILL posting threads about "pay-to-win" after all this time, and you are literally arguing that the game isn't good because you can't "pay-to-win"? I'm saying that it should be an option. If it's truly an open game, then let people that don't want (or can't) spend 1000's of hours leveling up spend the money and compete with the ones that do. Why should it be fair that some kid has all the time in the world to play the game and level up, while others with lives, careers etc. have to get slaughtered because we can't put the time in? Maybe by spending the money, we give ourselves a chance to compete against them. Sounds like the people that play for free complain about P2W players basically say that "they didn't earn it so they shouldn't have it". Which, in my eyes, makes the ones who do have the advantage of time to spend on it nothing more than bullies and control freaks on here. I'm not saying I'm sick of dying or not, or losing, what I'm saying is level the playing field for ALL users. Which is the entire basis of argument for the non BPO guys. If they want to level it and make it even, then REALLY level it and make it even, for EVERYONE. From noobs, to people that don't have all week to constantly play video games, to the ones that do. And for the record, since I don't use my ISK much or at all, I usually give it away. Some to members in my corp, some to guys who I play with that watch my back, and some to opponents who gave me an honestly good fight. So not only am I helping pay for the game, I'm even helping the solely ISK users as well that can't or don't want to pay.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:35:00 - [9] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: excillon wrote: To clarify, I'm not a noob, I played this since the Beta launched, and used the ISK items, so I clearly understand both sides of the argument. I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it. You obviously don't understand both sides if you're saying " I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it" BPOs are where they need to be and they don't need anymore. You may say it's not pay2win because there is an isk variant but still. Even though there is an isk variant of everything doesn't eliminate the pay2win argument. IF Mr. Moneybags comes into the game, he should be able to buy prototype, Adv gear (that are unlimited. keep that in mind) with real money. People with money can just buy all the unlimited gear they want. (It also comes at an earlier level). More and better aurum gear will just cross that line of pay2win. It will only hurt the game. But that's how eve works. Or haven't you heard about the 9000 dollar ship? And for the record, I think the prototype gear is kind of BS although I don't know much about it. I'm talking about like the Sever, Raven, Dragonfly, stuff like that.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:40:00 - [10] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: excillon wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: excillon wrote: To clarify, I'm not a noob, I played this since the Beta launched, and used the ISK items, so I clearly understand both sides of the argument. I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it. You obviously don't understand both sides if you're saying " I just think there should be better BPO gear, and more of it" BPOs are where they need to be and they don't need anymore. You may say it's not pay2win because there is an isk variant but still. Even though there is an isk variant of everything doesn't eliminate the pay2win argument. IF Mr. Moneybags comes into the game, he should be able to buy prototype, Adv gear (that are unlimited. keep that in mind) with real money. People with money can just buy all the unlimited gear they want. (It also comes at an earlier level). More and better aurum gear will just cross that line of pay2win. It will only hurt the game. But that's how eve works. Or haven't you heard about the 9000 dollar ship? And for the record, I think the prototype gear is kind of BS although I don't know much about it. I'm talking about like the Sever, Raven, Dragonfly, stuff like that. Those BPOs are STD for money. BPOs should go above STD gear. Did you hear about it blowing up? Yeah, I laughed. Even a guy like me that buys BPO's thought 9000 is ridiculous. As for orbitals, I know it's work to get ONE. keyword: one. maybe two. Not four.

excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:50:00 - [11] - Quote True, I just think it should be limited. Like either multiple smaller strikes, or one great big one. As for the BPO's, I own them all. The reason I do is because when the armory gets started, I want to be able to outfit the members of my corp in BPO gear. I plan on giving away everything except my Toxins, Raven suit, Covenant rifle and Dragonfly scout suit. Partially because I want to give my corp an advantage, but mostly because some of my members can't afford them. I'm not some BPO horder, I'm doing it for a reason. I'm lucky enough to be in a position to do so, I'm just upset at the lack of variety (although I can work with it) and most importantly not being able to share the gear that's sitting there collecting dust (no pun intended). I don't want to P2W, but I'm tired of seeing my corp, which is full of new members, getting slaughtered. I'm not even the corp leader. If CCP wants to draw more users, they need to fix this.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:59:00 - [12] - Quote Sarducar Kahn wrote: I am pretty sure the 9000$ ship was paid for by actual playtime on many players ingame. The materials and production cost was then converted into plex which was converted into $ just to put a scale on it and make people see how big it was, not because it was bought directly through $ or plex. Eve is not p2w, yes you can buy isk but there is no real advantage to that for long-term players. Thank you for explaining, the article I read online didn't go into that. But then, I've never played EVE and I'm just learning about how it works.
excillon united we stand x 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 09:04:00 - [13] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: excillon wrote: True, I just think it should be limited. Like either multiple smaller strikes, or one great big one. As for the BPO's, I own them all. The reason I do is because when the armory gets started, I want to be able to outfit the members of my corp in BPO gear. I plan on giving away everything except my Toxins, Raven suit, Covenant rifle and Dragonfly scout suit. Partially because I want to give my corp an advantage, but mostly because some of my members can't afford them. I'm not some BPO horder, I'm doing it for a reason. I'm lucky enough to be in a position to do so, I'm just upset at the lack of variety (although I can work with it) and most importantly not being able to share the gear that's sitting there collecting dust (no pun intended). I don't want to P2W, but I'm tired of seeing my corp, which is full of new members, getting slaughtered. I'm not even the corp leader. If CCP wants to draw more users, they need to fix this. It would be cool to see multiple strikes though. Almost like a war point bank. Would you get 2 small strikes or one big one? As far as your second note. It's not really something that needs fixed, (unless you're talking about newbies getting slaughtered. Then yes, it needs to be fixed) I don't know how the corp asset things is gonna work (If you can give BPOs) but I see what your doing. People are getting slaughtered so you want to help out with some BPOs because you can... . That's why BPOs are at the STD level. It gives people a good foothold to learn the game (While using unlimited gear. Therefore the won't have to worry about restocking.). BPOs aren't bad. they just make it so if you have the money, then you can use some OK unlimited gear. Or grind out for GOOD restockable gear. I think what you REALLY want is the ability to trade items. You have the money to give players BPOs and you want to give your guys Good BPOs instead of OK ones. Exactly. My corp and I are close, we play on multiple games, we're all friends. I just want to see them have a fair shot. They didn't play the beta, and I'm the one who brought them into this game. They like it, I just want to see them do well. I guess I should have explained that in my 1st post. We're all guys with jobs, lives, families, and can't sit on dust for 12 hours a day.
excillon united we stand x 4	Posted - 2013.08.05 00:25:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Welcome to New Eden. Where risk-aversed players are not welcomed. The exit is that way. You can leave at any time. Just don't expect sympathy from us when you do leave. You are no different than the whiners who whined about Eve Online having too much risk because they are not able to AFK in their mining barge for hours on end without some outlaw player ganking them in high-sec or unable to avoid the scams that are rampant in the game because they are too lazy to read the details of the contract they accepted before accepting it. If you don't like risk, too ******* bad. You can go ahead and cry me a river, Justin Timberlake. Well, I'm not leaving. So you'll just have to deal with me, and those like me who have an alternate point of view. I suggest you get used to it. As I said, I'm not the only one. So I guess we can make a deal, I'll cry you a river but if you want to bring popular songs into it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06TXd8CwRI And if you're still not following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWmmPMuBgjA
excillon united we stand x 4	Posted - 2013.08.05 00:45:00 - [15] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: excillon wrote: 1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example. excillon wrote: I don't want to P2W So you want to be able to pay money and be better than anything, but you don't want P2W? Please explain yourself, it seems you're hopelessly confused right now Keep digging that hole.... I meant comparable. The reason all the ISK people get pissed off about BPO's is because it's not fair that people play who play for free and play a lot using ISK don't think it's fair that someone can walk in, buy BPO's, and be just as good. Yet some people like me who buy gear don't think it's fair that people who sit on here for hours and have the time to do so have the clear advantage over those of us with lives, families, and careers. So what if we buy gear that we don't lose. Who's digging the hole here? The entire complaint on BPO's is it's not fair to ISK people, yet spending thousands of hours on here isn't fair to the ones who can't. You know what I think? I think the hardcore users are simply afraid that someone can buy a few bundles, and be equal to them. So now who's spoiled and entitled? If you had bothered to read any of the other posts, you would have seen me already present this argument. I'm GLAD that BPO people threaten the system. It's keeping new players from getting slaughtered. I'm all for it, and I want to see them even more powerful. And I'm willing to bet that as this game goes on, if the Elite bundle is any inclination, it will go that way when CCP realizes how much money it can generate off them. I think most of the other users do, and that's why they are so against BPO's in general. I don't mind P2W systems, because I don't see it that way. I see it as pay to completely customize and have some nice gear that I don't lose. As I said in my OP, that's the way the world works, as cold as it may be. If someone inherits a bunch of money and doesn't have to work, or someone has a good paying job, you should be happy for them. You don't hate someone driving past you in a Ferrari on the same road you're driving your Ford Focus on, and the same principle applies here with what I'm saying. That's life. Maybe you had to work to have that Focus, and the other guy was just given that Ferrari. No one's knocking you for having a Ford, just don't beat up on the guys that have the resources to have better or more of something. It's capitalism, and it's been around for a while. I suggest you read up on it.
excillon united we stand x 6	Posted - 2013.08.06 09:29:00 - [16] - Quote To be fair, I'm a numbers guy. English was never my strong point. I should have chosen my words more carefully, as I read my original post, I realize I didn't clarify things enough. I'm not backtracking by any means, I still feel the same. Basically, all I'm asking for is a level playing field. Multiple ways for hardcore and casual users to go at it, without one having a distinct advantage over the other. Maybe I don't have the time to spend playing that others do, that's unfair to me. Maybe it's not fair I simply buy weapons to eliminate risk and give me an advantage. Again, all I ask is level the playing field, in the spirit of fair competition for all. And for the record, I have a very high level of education. I'm guessing that English isn't your thing either, since my "reasoning going in haywire" makes no sense. I'd point out the lack of punctuation, but I'd sound like my 3rd grade teacher. So lets not throw stones. A level playing field, and people to quit griping about people like me who buy BPO's, and gripe out BPO's in general because they're "ruining the game", when I'm sure a significant handful of them are just upset they can't afford them.
excillon united we stand x 6	Posted - 2013.08.06 09:40:00 - [17] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: excillon wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Welcome to New Eden. Where risk-aversed players are not welcomed. The exit is that way. You can leave at any time. Just don't expect sympathy from us when you do leave. You are no different than the whiners who whined about Eve Online having too much risk because they are not able to AFK in their mining barge for hours on end without some outlaw player ganking them in high-sec or unable to avoid the scams that are rampant in the game because they are too lazy to read the details of the contract they accepted before accepting it. If you don't like risk, too ******* bad. You can go ahead and cry me a river, Justin Timberlake. Well, I'm not leaving. So you'll just have to deal with me, and those like me who have an alternate point of view. I suggest you get used to it. As I said, I'm not the only one. So I guess we can make a deal, I'll cry you a river but if you want to bring popular songs into it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06TXd8CwRI And if you're still not following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWmmPMuBgjA You're still here? After all the bashing I thought you would be gone by now. Respect. Wanting to help out your corp using BPO's is admirable to say the least. Many corps would be better off to have players with the same mind set as you. AUR items being better then ISK is not going to happen 'cause it's against CCP's plans for the future but after reading through this thread I can understand how you feel. You don't seem to be in an alliance and ours could use you. We are happy to help the newer players in anyway we can. (Actually spent nearly an hour in merc quarters trying to explain the game to a newb. We also helped him decide which role he was going to take on.) `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . Thanks. I know my opinion isn't a popular one, but I'm stubborn. I stick to my guns. My corp would gladly take the help. We've got about 40 members across 4 different games, and we're slowly bringing them in here. I'm blessed to be in a financial situation where I have the money to help outfit my corp when the armory gets up and running. Part of the original post, actually most of it, is frustration on things seemingly moving so slowly. What drew me to this game was the depth, above games like Battlefield or Killzone. No one likes seeing their members beat up on by guys who are way more powerful, and losing their ISK items on top of it. Hence, why I began my BPO purchasing blitz. I watched one of my Corp guys lose every single one of his Nova knives he's saved for because a guy from subdreddit (who shall remain nameless) decided to camp on top of a building only accessible by dropship and snipe with a Thale at the only spawn point we had left, the MCC. It was a public battle, and we were losing badly already. In my mind, that was just absolutely classless. I don't care if it's winning, they'd won anyway. What that was amounted to nothing more than bullying. Granted, it was only one member of that group (the others I've met seem pretty cool), but still. We're not exactly noobs, as I mentioned I played the Beta along with many others, and there's a guy in our corp who's pretty smart at figuring this stuff out. I appreciate the help offer, and will absolutely take you up on it once the stupid mic bug clears up. For the record, I already admitted I chose my words badly. I meant comparable, not superior. Like a BPO equivalent of the GEK, etc.
excillon united we stand x 6	Posted - 2013.08.06 09:51:00 - [18] - Quote double post
excillon united we stand x 7	Posted - 2013.08.07 09:07:00 - [19] - Quote Starscream 12 wrote: excillon wrote: I have a few problems: The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people. Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. OP shotgun range, ** off its now it used to be amazing and worth skilling into. OBs come from team work or carrying the out of a match, dont like it get good and get your own OBs. Less BPOs, only give standard BPOs, your money you filthy little * its annoying enough people have to work for ISK to pay for proto gear and others fags like you just spend money to keep your suits stocked since youre too to stop dying and save ISK. KB/M user do not have advantage over controller, you will come across those better with KB/M and those better with controller, it all comes down to skill. Overall you're a whiny little *** who wants whatever she sees with daddys money, and you have no right to an opinion. And you sir, are obviously not worth my time. For one, you're obviously a bigot. "Fags"? Really? Welcome to the 21st century, time to come out of the 80's and evolve with the rest of us. Now, I'm not gay, I'm married, but I'm glad you commented on my sexual orientation. I'm sure you're lonely and looking to project your own preferences off on someone else, but I don't swing that way. Not offended if you do though, since you're obviously just dealing with your own closeted self loathing. Hope you work it out, I'm not a therapist so I can't really help you out with that. Sorry. Now, to address your point, people work in real life for the money to buy that gear, or have it. I have a good job with great pay, and work hard for the money I use to buy bundles. So how is that any different? Because I didn't do it on Dust? Well, I'm sorry, but I simply don't have time to play as much as I'd like because I have to work. Oh, and by the way: Starscream was a punk and a sissy, who if I remember correctly, was punked by Megatron constantly and got lit up into something crispy by Galvatron. So I find your screen name not only funny, but fitting as well.
excillon united we stand x 7	Posted - 2013.08.07 09:38:00 - [20] - Quote v4victory wrote: excillon wrote: I have a few problems: 1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example. 2. I'm sick of Iron sights. Why can't I have an A-cog scope to stick on my Toxin AR? Preferably a BPO module. 3. The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. I regularly get hit from far off distances with it, and that shouldn't happen. Same with Mass Drivers, I just played a match where either someone had rapid fire, or that firing rate needs to be seriously slowed down. I didn't get killed, but watched 4 of my teammates basically get sniped with one, in very quick succession. 4. Where is the armory and user marketplace we keep hearing is coming? If I want to share my equipment with my corp, I should be able to. 5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS. 6. Guys that sit there and camp in insanely high places. There needs to be map limits not just on boundaries on the ground, but up on buildings as well. 7. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc. 8. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people. Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, for a game that's supposed to cater to people with multiple opinions (BPO's vs. consumables, etc.) it doesn't seem to. okay 2 things where oribitals are 2500 wp's for a squad then the squad leader calls in the orbital strike now it sucks being on the recieving end but you cant take away peoples reward for doing teamwork or having alot of skill or spending alot of time playing the game and having squads of proto gear to stomp on people now having other options besides just orbital strikes like bombing runs or selecting turret or instaltion drop ins would make the game have more options but at the end of the day it will be orbitals cause there reliable and give a ton of kills now on the the bpp thing guess what there needs to be adv and proto bpos every module weapon suit vehical turret all need bpos that way the people who want to say donate 10 bucks to the game to get a proto large blaster turret bpo can so that cuts the cost of there tank down by almost 1 million isk will it break the game hell no cause look at blood raiders saga look at ishakona watch sage there not breaking the game and there bpo lavs now as a player who has bought every merc pack that s in the game and also has almost all the bpos available i can tell you yes there is a few people that would but there isnt many that will spend the money to buy it when they can just get it for free and before you wanna add more rage remember raven assault sever logistics suit both require med dropsuit skill lev 3 and here racial verient skil lev 1 in order to use the bpo they purcheased and guess what they never broke the game so having a proto suit dont mean you dont need any sp to wear it you still need the skills your just buying the right to have infenite of them so you can spend your isk on other things Good points. Thanks man.

excillon united we stand x 8	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:46:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: v4victory wrote: okay 2 things where oribitals are 2500 wp's for a squad then the squad leader calls in the orbital strike now it sucks being on the recieving end but you cant take away peoples reward for doing teamwork or having alot of skill or spending alot of time playing the game and having squads of proto gear to stomp on people now having other options besides just orbital strikes like bombing runs or selecting turret or instaltion drop ins would make the game have more options but at the end of the day it will be orbitals cause there reliable and give a ton of kills now on the the bpp thing guess what there needs to be adv and proto bpos every module weapon suit vehical turret all need bpos that way the people who want to say donate 10 bucks to the game to get a proto large blaster turret bpo can so that cuts the cost of there tank down by almost 1 million isk will it break the game hell no cause look at blood raiders saga look at ishakona watch sage there not breaking the game and there bpo lavs now as a player who has bought every merc pack that s in the game and also has almost all the bpos available i can tell you yes there is a few people that would but there isnt many that will spend the money to buy it when they can just get it for free and before you wanna add more rage remember raven assault sever logistics suit both require med dropsuit skill lev 3 and here racial verient skil lev 1 in order to use the bpo they purcheased and guess what they never broke the game so having a proto suit dont mean you dont need any sp to wear it you still need the skills your just buying the right to have infenite of them so you can spend your isk on other things Wait are you saying that having proto-BPO wouldn't be unbalancing? That would be like giving a character 100isk that they can spend over and over again without it going away. If you think proto-stomping is bad now imagine how bad it would be if people weren't worried about loosing their high level gear. It is clear that with no penalty to doing so (cost being the current penalty) even more people would run full proto all the time, making the game even less hospitable to new players. The Raven and Sever suits are basic level suits, meaning they already have a very low cost (thus a small financial risk associated with them). The same is true with the BPO LAV. These items were a slight advantage to players during the earliest part of Chromosome when all of us had our SP reset to 0 but have not been a factor for a long time. Most of us with the BPO suits don't even run them anymore since they are so much weaker than our other suits. These BPOs are not unbalancing the game because they are not particularly effective and do not confer a large financial bonus to the players using them. This would not be true for BPO proto gear. Really, before you get on and start ranting think through what you're proposing. Proto-BPOs are about as good on an idea as bottle rockets on a birthday cake. Sure it sounds cool in the abstract, and you know a video of it on youtube is going to be a pisser but the reality is that your going to light the birthday girl's house and dress on fire with your stupid "super candles." Lets just keep BPO where they are currently, down at the basic level where they have no significant influence on the financial systems CCP is developing for the game. Very good points as well. I'm holding out hope that eventually, and IMHO this would be very cool, that the basic BPO suits could be upgraded or customized, maybe even into a fully custom suit. Kind of like taking a Mustang, and sending it to Roush or Saleen. Like I take a Raven, tweak it to add more slots or somehow up it's stats, change the appearance, etc. That would be awesome, not only because it'd create a huge market for which I'm sure there would be a large demand, but it would be a feature that could really distinguish this game from others of the genre even more so. I mean, if CCP plans on us being able to make our own guns, why not dropsuits? The possibilities could be endless, it would drive up bundle sales for CCP by people who'd be using these at platforms to make their own drop suits, people would obviously buy them for either ISK or Aurum (which if it was Aurum, would boost sales for CCP even more from users buying Aurum packs). The same could be said for LAV's, and anything else in the game. Man, to dream....
excillon united we stand x 8	Posted - 2013.08.08 09:44:00 - [22] - Quote v4victory wrote: okay and what happens when eve players send there dust characters isk you can make easy 2 mill in the time it takes to do one ambush on eve just messing around and doing nothing serious now at 200k isk reward means in that ambush you just made 2.2 mill isk and guess what that means at 150k a proto suit you could lose 10 proto suits and not even care yes eve will be connected with dust and giving players the option to buy a proto bpo will be the same thing as just hoping on eve and just sending free isk over course hey you can buy a plex and sell it in jita for 500+ mill or planetary interaction where you get free isk every day and nothing stoping them from sending it all to your dust character and not have to worry about proto suit for a few months oh but that isnt gonna be buy to win the idea of giving players the option to buy prototype and advanced gear needs to be in the game as it will be the only thing that can compete with the direction dust will be heading but all i see is people saying its buy to win there is no difference expecially if they give the option to f2p accounts on eve to transfer isk to dust then nothing will be there to stop them from making mass acounts to send isk over will just be a matter of time where you can just buy dust accounts with max isk and skills to go with it welcome to the future of dust 514 Again, very good points. I haven't even thought of interaction with EVE like that. It does seem shady. Bottom line is CCP has to come up with some sort of system to level the playing field. Between proto suits (which I'm just now learning about in depth), eve interaction, hard core gamers vs. weekend warriors, etc. something is going to have to be done to sort all this out. What, I don't know and could speculate about for weeks.