While EVE does have a lot of BPO it requires more than just owning the BPO to use it like in Dust. In EVE you have to have different minerals and a set of skills to create what the BPO is, in Dust all you have to do is own the BPO.

Welcome to New Eden. Where risk-aversed players are not welcomed. The exit is that way. You can leave at any time. Just don't expect sympathy from us when you do leave. You are no different than the whiners who whined about Eve Online having too much risk because they are not able to AFK in their mining barge for hours on end without some outlaw player ganking them in high-sec or unable to avoid the scams that are rampant in the game because they are too lazy to read the details of the contract they accepted before accepting it.

If you don't like risk, too ******* bad. You can go ahead and cry me a river, Justin Timberlake.

So you want to be able to pay money and be better than anything, but you don't want P2W?

Please explain yourself, it seems you're hopelessly confused right now

Keep digging that hole....

mass driver does need a reduction in rof..

it fires to fast for a nade launcher...

To me, and yes I'm going to say it, this sounds like yet another AR user complaining that he can't kill everything all the time with his trusty AR. Well, OP, we're pretty close to the point where you can.

But that's how eve works. Or haven't you heard about the 9000 dollar ship?

And for the record, I think the prototype gear is kind of BS although I don't know much about it. I'm talking about like the Sever, Raven, Dragonfly, stuff like that.

I meant comparable.

If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't.

Yet some people like me who buy gear don't think it's fair that people who sit on here for hours and have the time to do so have the clear advantage over those of us with lives, families, and careers.

Who's digging the hole here? The entire complaint on BPO's is it's not fair to ISK people, yet spending thousands of hours on here isn't fair to the ones who can't. You know what I think? I think the hardcore users are simply afraid that someone can buy a few bundles, and be equal to them. So now who's spoiled and entitled?

If you had bothered to read any of the other posts, you would have seen me already present this argument. I'm GLAD that BPO people threaten the system. It's keeping new players from getting slaughtered. I'm all for it, and I want to see them even more powerful. And I'm willing to bet that as this game goes on, if the Elite bundle is any inclination, it will go that way when CCP realizes how much money it can generate off them. I think most of the other users do, and that's why they are so against BPO's in general. I don't mind P2W systems, because I don't see it that way. I see it as pay to completely customize and have some nice gear that I don't lose. As I said in my OP, that's the way the world works, as cold as it may be. If someone inherits a bunch of money and doesn't have to work, or someone has a good paying job, you should be happy for them. You don't hate someone driving past you in a Ferrari on the same road you're driving your Ford Focus on, and the same principle applies here with what I'm saying. That's life. Maybe you had to work to have that Focus, and the other guy was just given that Ferrari. No one's knocking you for having a Ford, just don't beat up on the guys that have the resources to have better or more of something. It's capitalism, and it's been around for a while. I suggest you read up on it.

It's already a slow enough.

And I'm willing to bet that as this game goes on, if the Elite bundle is any inclination, it will go that way when CCP realizes how much money it can generate off them. I think most of the other users do, and that's why they are so against BPO's in general.

I have a few problems:

1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example.

2. I'm sick of Iron sights. Why can't I have an A-cog scope to stick on my Toxin AR? Preferably a BPO module.

3. The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. I regularly get hit from far off distances with it, and that shouldn't happen. Same with Mass Drivers, I just played a match where either someone had rapid fire, or that firing rate needs to be seriously slowed down. I didn't get killed, but watched 4 of my teammates basically get sniped with one, in very quick succession.

4. Where is the armory and user marketplace we keep hearing is coming? If I want to share my equipment with my corp, I should be able to.

5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS.

6. Guys that sit there and camp in insanely high places. There needs to be map limits not just on boundaries on the ground, but up on buildings as well.

7. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc.

8. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people.

Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, for a game that's supposed to cater to people with multiple opinions (BPO's vs. consumables, etc.) it doesn't seem to.

Well, I'm not leaving. So you'll just have to deal with me, and those like me who have an alternate point of view. I suggest you get used to it. As I said, I'm not the only one.

So I guess we can make a deal, I'll cry you a river but if you want to bring popular songs into it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06TXd8CwRI

And if you're still not following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWmmPMuBgjA

I have a few problems:

1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example.

2. I'm sick of Iron sights. Why can't I have an A-cog scope to stick on my Toxin AR? Preferably a BPO module.

3. The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. I regularly get hit from far off distances with it, and that shouldn't happen. Same with Mass Drivers, I just played a match where either someone had rapid fire, or that firing rate needs to be seriously slowed down. I didn't get killed, but watched 4 of my teammates basically get sniped with one, in very quick succession.

4. Where is the armory and user marketplace we keep hearing is coming? If I want to share my equipment with my corp, I should be able to.

5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS.

6. Guys that sit there and camp in insanely high places. There needs to be map limits not just on boundaries on the ground, but up on buildings as well.

7. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc.

8. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people.

Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, for a game that's supposed to cater to people with multiple opinions (BPO's vs. consumables, etc.) it doesn't seem to.

You're still here?
After all the bashing I thought you would be gone by now. Respect.
Wanting to help out your corp using BPO's is admirable to say the least. Many corps would be better off to have players with the same mind set as you.

AUR items being better then ISK is not going to happen 'cause it's against CCP's plans for the future but after reading through this thread I can understand how you feel. You don't seem to be in an alliance and ours could use you. We are happy to help the newer players in anyway we can. (Actually spent nearly an hour in merc quarters trying to explain the game to a newb. We also helped him decide which role he was going to take on.)

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

I have a few problems:

The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high.

Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS.

More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc.

Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people.

Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that.

OP shotgun range, **** off its **** now it used to be amazing and worth skilling into.

OBs come from team work or carrying the **** out of a match, dont like it get good and get your own OBs.

Less BPOs, only give standard BPOs, **** your money you filthy little ***** its annoying enough people have to work for ISK to pay for proto gear and others fags like you just spend money to keep your suits stocked since youre too **** to stop dying and save ISK.

KB/M user do not have advantage over controller, you will come across those better with KB/M and those better with controller, it all comes down to skill.

Overall you're a whiny little ***** who wants whatever she sees with daddys money, and you have no right to an opinion.

I have a few problems:

1. Packs need better BPO's. Yeah, I know, it's frowned upon by most. But you know what? If people spend their real world money, they deserve an advantage. Any BPO should trump and ISK weapon. I don't care about the whole "risk is the point game". Maybe I like the game, the premise, and don't feel like risking. And so what if I have the money to spend on a nicer gun or suit BPO and someone else doesn't, that's their problem. Sorry, but that's how the world works, some have, and some don't. BPO's aren't wrecking the game, because at least those of us that buy them are actually contributing to the developers. The BPO's shouldn't just be more, but better. FAR better and FAR more. There's no reason why a Kaalotika (or whatever it's called) should be better than a covenant rifle for example.

2. I'm sick of Iron sights. Why can't I have an A-cog scope to stick on my Toxin AR? Preferably a BPO module.

3. The range on the shotgun is ridiculously high. I regularly get hit from far off distances with it, and that shouldn't happen. Same with Mass Drivers, I just played a match where either someone had rapid fire, or that firing rate needs to be seriously slowed down. I didn't get killed, but watched 4 of my teammates basically get sniped with one, in very quick succession.

4. Where is the armory and user marketplace we keep hearing is coming? If I want to share my equipment with my corp, I should be able to.

5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS.

6. Guys that sit there and camp in insanely high places. There needs to be map limits not just on boundaries on the ground, but up on buildings as well.

7. More BPO's. At least one BPO for every class of suits, weapons, modules, vehicle, etc.

8. Separate the PC users, and if possible, move sharpshooter users. Both have an unfair advantage over DS3 users. I'm not saying kick them off the game, but make it so they play each other without interacting with DS3 people.

Overall, I like this game. And it may sound like a lot of griping, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I respect that. However, for a game that's supposed to cater to people with multiple opinions (BPO's vs. consumables, etc.) it doesn't seem to.

okay 2 things where oribitals are 2500 wp's for a squad then the squad leader calls in the orbital strike now it sucks being on the recieving end but you cant take away peoples reward for doing teamwork or having alot of skill or spending alot of time playing the game and having squads of proto gear to stomp on people now having other options besides just orbital strikes like bombing runs or selecting turret or instaltion drop ins would make the game have more options but at the end of the day it will be orbitals cause there reliable and give a ton of kills

now on the the bpp thing guess what there needs to be adv and proto bpos every module weapon suit vehical turret all need bpos that way the people who want to say donate 10 bucks to the game to get a proto large blaster turret bpo can so that cuts the cost of there tank down by almost 1 million isk will it break the game hell no cause look at blood raiders saga look at ishakona watch sage there not breaking the game and there bpo lavs now as a player who has bought every merc pack that s in the game and also has almost all the bpos available i can tell you yes there is a few people that would but there isnt many that will spend the money to buy it when they can just get it for free

and before you wanna add more rage remember raven assault sever logistics suit both require med dropsuit skill lev 3 and here racial verient skil lev 1 in order to use the bpo they purcheased and guess what they never broke the game so having a proto suit dont mean you dont need any sp to wear it you still need the skills your just buying the right to have infenite of them so you can spend your isk on other things

okay 2 things where oribitals are 2500 wp's for a squad then the squad leader calls in the orbital strike now it sucks being on the recieving end but you cant take away peoples reward for doing teamwork or having alot of skill or spending alot of time playing the game and having squads of proto gear to stomp on people now having other options besides just orbital strikes like bombing runs or selecting turret or instaltion drop ins would make the game have more options but at the end of the day it will be orbitals cause there reliable and give a ton of kills

now on the the bpp thing guess what there needs to be adv and proto bpos every module weapon suit vehical turret all need bpos that way the people who want to say donate 10 bucks to the game to get a proto large blaster turret bpo can so that cuts the cost of there tank down by almost 1 million isk will it break the game hell no cause look at blood raiders saga look at ishakona watch sage there not breaking the game and there bpo lavs now as a player who has bought every merc pack that s in the game and also has almost all the bpos available i can tell you yes there is a few people that would but there isnt many that will spend the money to buy it when they can just get it for free

and before you wanna add more rage remember raven assault sever logistics suit both require med dropsuit skill lev 3 and here racial verient skil lev 1 in order to use the bpo they purcheased and guess what they never broke the game so having a proto suit dont mean you dont need any sp to wear it you still need the skills your just buying the right to have infenite of them so you can spend your isk on other things

5. Orbital strikes. FAR too often. It's obscene. Maybe one per match, ok. When one guy can call 4 of them in one match, that's BS.

Wait are you saying that having proto-BPO wouldn't be unbalancing? That would be like giving a character 100isk that they can spend over and over again without it going away. If you think proto-stomping is bad now imagine how bad it would be if people weren't worried about loosing their high level gear. It is clear that with no penalty to doing so (cost being the current penalty) even more people would run full proto all the time, making the game even less hospitable to new players.

The Raven and Sever suits are basic level suits, meaning they already have a very low cost (thus a small financial risk associated with them). The same is true with the BPO LAV. These items were a slight advantage to players during the earliest part of Chromosome when all of us had our SP reset to 0 but have not been a factor for a long time. Most of us with the BPO suits don't even run them anymore since they are so much weaker than our other suits. These BPOs are not unbalancing the game because they are not particularly effective and do not confer a large financial bonus to the players using them. This would not be true for BPO proto gear.

Really, before you get on and start ranting think through what you're proposing. Proto-BPOs are about as good on an idea as bottle rockets on a birthday cake. Sure it sounds cool in the abstract, and you know a video of it on youtube is going to be a pisser but the reality is that your going to light the birthday girl's house and dress on fire with your stupid "super candles."

Lets just keep BPO where they are currently, down at the basic level where they have no significant influence on the financial systems CCP is developing for the game.