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lDocHollidayl
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:09:00 -
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GÇ£It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one.GÇ¥ GÇò Chuck Palahniuk
Reg, if players like you have their way there would only be AR's. Let the game have some diversity. Nerf lasers much? Flux is lame maybe. Flaylock waaaa! Contact grenades...MOMMMMMMM! Weapons have pros and cons. The cons to the MD are range and travel time. It is quite arrogant to claim other weapons noob because you deem so. List the pros and cons and work on constructive criticism.
I will start...the MD has travel time, I have to predict where you will be in order to be successful.(bunny hoppers hate this because gravity is predictable...bunny hop much ;(... )The MD can rarely be effective in combat unless given high ground in engagements more then 40 meters. MD reload is long and often. MD users have short supply of ammo so they become tied to nano hive or resupplies. The AR can actually kill at ranges twice the effective rate of MD...Back off bro?
I respect your play not your arrogance. I concede 1v1 your skill is rarely matched but...this is far from a 1v1 game...TEAMPLAYERS much. Your rage bleeds the truth that you only respect gameplay that only mirrors your own. For the love of diversity think before you rage.
GÇ£He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.GÇ¥ GÇò Abraham Lincoln
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Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:14:00 -
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"To conceal anything from those to whom I am attached, is not in my nature. I can never close my lips where I have opened my heart." - Charles Dickens
This thread sucks.
"Where knowledge is a duty, ignorance is a crime." - Thomas Paine |
Musta Tornius
Cannonfodder PMC
543
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:58:00 -
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That's a pretty weak defense for the massdriver. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
671
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:01:00 -
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My biggest problem is the insane damage they do to armor. They 1-2 shot anyone who gets into armor no matter the amount they have. Combining this weapon with the enourmouse blast radius of the proto flux and you have a combination that makes you invincible in any engagement.
My biggest qualm with the weapon is how badly it breaks armor tanking, the weapon single handedly makes armor tanking terrible as any one player with a basic mass driver can 2 shot you if you do not omnitank. The only time an AR has an advantage over a MD in combat is when the AR has the high ground on a ledge. Doing only spash damage and not landing a single direct hit it takes 4 shots to completely deplete most shield based logi's and assault's shields (3 if they are an armor tanked race) and takes only 1 shot to finish off the armor. Leaving 1 round to completely miss. Thats a lot of damage when you consider that isn't factoring in a single direct hit, and the weapon has a 4.4m blast radius!
Really the biggest change I would like to see is a 2m blast radius and changing the effeciency to +- 5-10% on shields and armor so that it's not a free kill on all gallante. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:04:00 -
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explosives damage calculation over the blast radius need a complete rework... this would include the MD. |
lDocHollidayl
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:41:00 -
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I appreciate the thoughtful responses. Perhaps the armor bonus needs a tune up. I tank on an alt and swarms destroy armor tanks. Perhaps the MD does... I just want an honest appraisal of the weapon and its many ignored weaknesses. Such as the swarm, it can not touch infantry, making a strong side arm required. So it's power against vehicles makes sense to me.
I hesitate to nerf only because of the situation strength. I run a heavy and the flaylock and MD slay me in open fields. But in CQ often a miss or two from the MD gives me plenty of time to spray enough to make a fair battle. In open field the AR teammates slay the MD. Let us look at manus peak. 3 point map. A mass driver is useless in the assault from C to B or vice versa because of the open field he has to cross. But let him guard the letter from a high point and now he is OP. Many weapons are OP in situation and UP in others. Then there is the AR that can excel in all situations...not OP though. So 1 weapon is great in all situations (except sniper range) and then there are weapons that are OP in 1 situation but UP in another.
My concern is the removal of the OP for the sake of fairness then creating the laser situation. You must admit the MD user sacrifices many engagements that the AR would engage but because of the dynamics of the MD they have to pass it up or die.
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broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
78
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:45:00 -
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"If knowledge is power, then to be unknown is to be unconquerable." |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2149
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:55:00 -
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"I owe it all to little chocolate donuts" - John Belushi |
Mamertine Son
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:00:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:GÇ£It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one.GÇ¥ GÇò Chuck Palahniuk
Reg, if players like you have their way there would only be AR's. Let the game have some diversity. Nerf lasers much? Flux is lame maybe. Flaylock waaaa! Contact grenades...MOMMMMMMM! Weapons have pros and cons. The cons to the MD are range and travel time. It is quite arrogant to claim other weapons noob because you deem so. List the pros and cons and work on constructive criticism.
I will start...the MD has travel time, I have to predict where you will be in order to be successful.(bunny hoppers hate this because gravity is predictable...bunny hop much ;(... )The MD can rarely be effective in combat unless given high ground in engagements more then 40 meters. MD reload is long and often. MD users have short supply of ammo so they become tied to nano hive or resupplies. The AR can actually kill at ranges twice the effective rate of MD...Back off bro?
I respect your play not your arrogance. I concede 1v1 your skill is rarely matched but...this is far from a 1v1 game...TEAMPLAYERS much. Your rage bleeds the truth that you only respect gameplay that only mirrors your own. For the love of diversity think before you rage.
GÇ£He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.GÇ¥ GÇò Abraham Lincoln
You knew you were going to get so much hate for this.
Yeah it sucks dying from the mass driver but I really think dust community needs to be reserved now how many times they call down the mighty nerf hammer.
We got the flaylock and contact hades, lets rejoice. Lord help us (if)when they revive the laser rifle but for now we should be careful not to murder diversity in our crusade for balance. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:08:00 -
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It's all part of the plan... |
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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
930
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:09:00 -
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"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity"- Abraham Lincoln
OP, the game should be balanced around assault rifles, and when you have a weapon that requires little skills to use and throws off aim each time it hits, that creates problems for people who are actually trying to aim a gun.
flux and MD is even worse of a skilless gimmick. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
708
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:25:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity"- Abraham Lincoln
OP, the game should be balanced around assault rifles, and when you have a weapon that requires little skills to use and throws off aim each time it hits, that creates problems for people who are actually trying to aim a gun.
flux and MD is even worse of a skilless gimmick.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA that was awesome.
I agree with Zdub regarding what should be done with explosives but I also am not as hopeful as Zdub that CCP will actually do the right thing.
As such I resign myself to proposing the reduction of AOE for this weapon as 8+ meter AOE is just crazy high. You can miss people so badly that you accidentally shoot the enemy MCC and still get the person you were aiming for with the splash dmg. |
lDocHollidayl
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:49:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity"- Abraham Lincoln
OP, the game should be balanced around assault rifles, and when you have a weapon that requires little skills to use and throws off aim each time it hits, that creates problems for people who are actually trying to aim a gun.
flux and MD is even worse of a skilless gimmick.
This is what I am trying to educate against...AR is all that matters. You are consistent. I believe consistently bad for the growth and health of this game. |
LIFE RIPPER
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:55:00 -
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Anytime regnyums name is brought up this quote shall appear. He wants to nerf everything but the AR
Skihids wrote:He is crying about it because he can't stand being killed by anything that he isn't using himself.
It's simple really. Some people don't have any tolerance for diversity. They won't be happy until they turn DUST into a1v1 dueling match so they can demonstrate their elite shooting skills.
They can't stand the thought of a messy battlefield where they may die because someone got the drop on them with a situational weapon. They rage whenever they die to anyone they don't consider as elite as themselves. They compensate by deriding anything other than their choice of weapon as "noob" weapon. That way they don't have to take responsibility for having died and their fragile ego can remain intact.
The sad thing is that they can actually be quite good shots. Skill doesn't necessarily factor into who is going to fall prey to this way of thinking. In their mind every battle should be an exactly even contest, mano a mano. If you shotgun them in the face or MD them from a roof you are lousy cheating scum who is using a noob weapon to win, because you certainly couldn't beat them if you were using their weapon (like a real man).
The only cure is to realize that DUST is modeling a messy battlefield with many different weapon systems that all have different strengths and weaknesses and if you die to one it doesn't necessarily mean you are "bad" or that your teammates should laugh at you. It shouldn't threaten your ego if you get popped by a shotgun to the face.
Just let the rage go and enjoy the diversity that is DUST. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1049
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:56:00 -
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Don't nerf the MD just because it decimates armour.
Buff armour.
Make Ferroscale & reactive plates worthwhile. And give Gallente assaults a bonus they can actually use. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3978
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:06:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:GÇ£It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one.GÇ¥ GÇò Chuck Palahniuk
Reg, if players like you have their way there would only be AR's. Let the game have some diversity. Nerf lasers much? Flux is lame maybe. Flaylock waaaa! Contact grenades...MOMMMMMMM! Weapons have pros and cons. The cons to the MD are range and travel time. It is quite arrogant to claim other weapons noob because you deem so. List the pros and cons and work on constructive criticism.
I will start...the MD has travel time, I have to predict where you will be in order to be successful.(bunny hoppers hate this because gravity is predictable...bunny hop much ;(... )The MD can rarely be effective in combat unless given high ground in engagements more then 40 meters. MD reload is long and often. MD users have short supply of ammo so they become tied to nano hive or resupplies. The AR can actually kill at ranges twice the effective rate of MD...Back off bro?
I respect your play not your arrogance. I concede 1v1 your skill is rarely matched but...this is far from a 1v1 game...TEAMPLAYERS much. Your rage bleeds the truth that you only respect gameplay that only mirrors your own. For the love of diversity think before you rage.
GÇ£He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.GÇ¥ GÇò Abraham Lincoln
Question: where was all this public posting against Regnum when he was in NF? cuz i swear when Reg and Protoman post the exact same stuff hes posting now saw alot of Yes men agreeing with everything they said. Now hes not in NF and im seeing a few NF now voicing out against some posts he has and tbh his posts havent changed.
so question why the sudden public outcry against ppl like reg? |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1800
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:11:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity"- Abraham Lincoln
OP, the game should be balanced around assault rifles, and when you have a weapon that requires little skills to use and throws off aim each time it hits, that creates problems for people who are actually trying to aim a gun.
flux and MD is even worse of a skilless gimmick.
That's precisely the assumption that is causing all the trouble.
No one weapon system should always win. There are situations where an AR user will be SOL. Just because it's the most basic weapon or the most popular doesn't mean it should always be viable.
That's obvious for other weapon systems. Lasers shouldn't always have an even chance of winning, and nobody will disagree. But because the AR is the weapon everything else is compared to people mistakenly assume that it should always have an even chance with each weapon in each situation. |
cedz636
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:14:00 -
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"Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss
to all the whiners whining about their fits getting nerfed |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1800
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:16:00 -
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cedz636 wrote:"Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss
to all the whiners whining about their fits getting nerfed
I'm still smiling over dropships in Precursor, but it's starting to fade... |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
553
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:17:00 -
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"'Meow' means 'woof' in cat." -George Carlin |
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:19:00 -
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"Huh?" - Skihids |
LIFE RIPPER
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
201
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:21:00 -
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
George Bush
. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:24:00 -
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LIFE RIPPER wrote:"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
George Bush
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Cosgar
ParagonX
3739
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:26:00 -
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William Shakespeare wrote:**** it! |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3282
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:29:00 -
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OP got trolled to the max.
Defending your choice of weaponry in Reg's thread is one thing, but to create another thread for it is kinda sad tbh.
Personally, you're defending a semi auto noobtube. Shoot at people's feet, kill them with splash dmg. With a huge splash radius, that must be hard to do
Now make a thread about HMG's vs MD's |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1425
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:29:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:King Kobrah wrote:"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity"- Abraham Lincoln
OP, the game should be balanced around assault rifles, and when you have a weapon that requires little skills to use and throws off aim each time it hits, that creates problems for people who are actually trying to aim a gun.
flux and MD is even worse of a skilless gimmick. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA that was awesome. I agree with Zdub regarding what should be done with explosives but I also am not as hopeful as Zdub that CCP will actually do the right thing.As such I resign myself to proposing the reduction of AOE for this weapon as 8+ meter AOE is just crazy high. You can miss people so badly that you accidentally shoot the enemy MCC and still get the person you were aiming for with the splash dmg.
whoa whoa whoa... hold on here... who's to say I'm hopeful about anything here? lol
This problem extends to the fact that adv/pro flux grenades also have an obscene effective radius, stripping most if not all shields from many targets. Then the armor bonus on the MD comes in and ***** all over everything.
Its not the stats on the MD that is the problem, its how easy it is to kill targets with weapons that only need to get 'sorta close'. |
lDocHollidayl
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:45:00 -
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You are correct. This could have been named "Only ARs". I wrote the title as such because of his thread that is asking for the nerf hammer without thought and discussion. There may be merit in the rumor that Devs were convinced through loud mouthed discussion without thought to change and nerf weapons...the 7 round burst going to 3 specifically. Therefore I encourage the discussion. "Proof is in the pudding...I mean jello" Bill Cosby
The unhappy MD recipients ignore the cons and focus only on the pros.Hence arrogant. The quote on Reg is rather accurate for a very vocal section of this community that is blind to the benefit of diversity.
"so question why the sudden public outcry against ppl like reg?"
I recall no such thing...but if I have I did a disservice to this community and have matured. Pride will blind and when the "best" players yell about stuff it is often fogged by pride. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
205
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:12:00 -
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Pretty much this. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
3462
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Posted - 2013.08.02 04:29:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:lDocHollidayl wrote:GÇ£It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one.GÇ¥ GÇò Chuck Palahniuk
Reg, if players like you have their way there would only be AR's. Let the game have some diversity. Nerf lasers much? Flux is lame maybe. Flaylock waaaa! Contact grenades...MOMMMMMMM! Weapons have pros and cons. The cons to the MD are range and travel time. It is quite arrogant to claim other weapons noob because you deem so. List the pros and cons and work on constructive criticism.
I will start...the MD has travel time, I have to predict where you will be in order to be successful.(bunny hoppers hate this because gravity is predictable...bunny hop much ;(... )The MD can rarely be effective in combat unless given high ground in engagements more then 40 meters. MD reload is long and often. MD users have short supply of ammo so they become tied to nano hive or resupplies. The AR can actually kill at ranges twice the effective rate of MD...Back off bro?
I respect your play not your arrogance. I concede 1v1 your skill is rarely matched but...this is far from a 1v1 game...TEAMPLAYERS much. Your rage bleeds the truth that you only respect gameplay that only mirrors your own. For the love of diversity think before you rage.
GÇ£He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.GÇ¥ GÇò Abraham Lincoln
Question: where was all this public posting against Regnum when he was in NF? cuz i swear when Reg and Protoman post the exact same stuff hes posting now saw alot of Yes men agreeing with everything they said. Now hes not in NF and im seeing a few NF now voicing out against some posts he has and tbh his posts havent changed. so question why the sudden public outcry against ppl like reg?
Just for the record. Check my posts reggie has been trying to nerf the hmg since the first time I domed him.
So to claim the s"suuden public outcry" just makes you look like your instagaten.. but whatever.
And here is my quote to fit in the theme here
"To the man who only has a hammer, everything he encounters begins to look like a nail." GÇöAbraham Maslow
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
315
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Posted - 2013.08.02 04:39:00 -
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LIFE RIPPER wrote:"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
George Bush
. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
never heard the first one but the second one I use myself |
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