Really.

- Aiming Improvements
- Possibility of equal turn speeds
- Hit Detection Improvements

I'm not asking for a HP buff.

Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed.

Give us two damn Equip slots.

Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts.

Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed.

1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love.

Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it.

Granted, but you're gonna have to spec into scout type-ii

it's kind of funny, I hear it so often that scouts are only good because all the mechanics in the game suck, they improve them and that's a problem with the game.

regardless, imo the problem is that the scouts are meant to fill 3 roles.

first is a forward fast unit that can get ahead of the standard troops and relay information, a role that is close to utterly pointless in dust. as the battle is both static, and no tools are really given to the scout to accomplish this role.

second is an assassin, and scout again aren't given the tool to accomplish this. no weapon used by the scout benefits from their speed more then ehp of an assault, or more accurately no weapon has remained unerfed.

shotgun used to be a great ohk scout weapon, now it's been nerfed to useless, sniper is a lot weaker in the current meta then it used to be and is better on units with high hp anyway, flay lock has been nerfed, knives have never been that good.

so the fast attack assassin type of scout is pretty much pointless.

finally you have the third role which is the distraction role, you go in hit some guys a bit then run away, in this scouts can still function very well.

end of the day scouts are largely unsupported in what they do, and some weapons designed purely for them would go a long way to improving the role.

I have gotten to the stage where I plant REs, get some player's attention, and lure them into my trap, then I blow them up.

it's kind of funny, I hear it so often that scouts are only good because all the mechanics in the game suck, they improve them and that's a problem with the game.

regardless, imo the problem is that the scouts are meant to fill 3 roles.

first is a forward fast unit that can get ahead of the standard troops and relay information, a role that is close to utterly pointless in dust. as the battle is both static, and no tools are really given to the scout to accomplish this role.

second is an assassin, and scout again aren't given the tool to accomplish this. no weapon used by the scout benefits from their speed more then ehp of an assault, or more accurately no weapon has remained unerfed.

shotgun used to be a great ohk scout weapon, now it's been nerfed to useless, sniper is a lot weaker in the current meta then it used to be and is better on units with high hp anyway, flay lock has been nerfed, knives have never been that good.

so the fast attack assassin type of scout is pretty much pointless.

finally you have the third role which is the distraction role, you go in hit some guys a bit then run away, in this scouts can still function very well.

end of the day scouts are largely unsupported in what they do, and some weapons designed purely for them would go a long way to improving the role.

CCP Wolfman posted some sensor changes it may be the thing scouts need.

CCP Wolfman posted some sensor changes it may be the thing scouts need.

You think thats enough?

Scouts have no hope of survival.

Well...
Scouts are supposed to scout.
What if you could see everyone and their mother through walls, and never show up as red?

Last night after the update was one of the worst nights I ve ever had.

Aiming assist to shoot a scout that has a hit box that increases in size when I sprint an lags behind me as I run, being hit after I turn the corner because my hit box / collision model sticks out!?

I've been patient but this crap is stupid!

People are getting rewarded for killing me when there not actually shooting me! Then you put a aim assist on this! Damn you ccp I seen you do a lot of stupid crap in this game but this cuts the cake !

EVERYTHING I SPEC INTO GETS $\|it on!
Scout suit crap = stamina an hit box an speed problems
Shotgun= full clip to kill a guy
Knives= can't kill a moving guy
Bombs = now have a delay worse than before
Faylock= used it as long as I could an expected the nerf an I'm cool wit that
Mass driver= soon to probably get nerfed
Smg= now my primary weapon!

Tell me why should I trust you will fix my 6 months of work an money down the drain, when in 1.1 you actuall had to shoot me to kill me!
Now all some noob has to do is shoot behind me to hit my dragging hit box or out strafe an jump me!

You can't tell me this $ hits working as intended !
They have systematically made this class utterly worthless an everythime I fugue out a way to get a tin of kills you nerf something in the game that prevents this!

Knives - really fast hit an run- change = increase strafe speed an hit box size with speed to ruin getaway, add a delay to Nk, no more quick slashes, knives stop working after 5/6 quick slashes
Sg- ohk- change = lower range, need more shots , increased strafe speed, worsen the accuracy on hit box detection
Bombs- quick drop in a crowd an run to detonate- change= more visable , an a delay time add to prevent quick detonation
Faylock - no need to explain
Smg- only thing reliable

So now I have a 15 million point SMG !
I could have ran a damn dragonfly scout with a pimped out smg for the same results I get now after dumping points into proficiencies of all these weapons an profile dampening an scanning , endurance an a scout suit that you obliterated!

Fix this by 1.4!

CCP Wolfman posted some sensor changes it may be the thing scouts need.

I've been questioning, are they moving this class to sniper roll?

I've been questioning, are they moving this class to sniper roll?

I've been questioning, are they moving this class to sniper roll?

CCP Wolfman posted some sensor changes it may be the thing scouts need.

I'd like it if scouts didn't have to wait a sec for stamina to recharge.

Edit:oh and Gallente scouts need a buff to base scan range so we can...ya know...scout.

Really.

- Aiming Improvements
- Possibility of equal turn speeds
- Hit Detection Improvements

I'm not asking for a HP buff.

Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed.

Give us two damn Equip slots.

Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts.

Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed.

1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love.

Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it.

Really.

- Aiming Improvements [Agreed, but nothing to do with scouts]
- Possibility of equal turn speeds [What?]
- Hit Detection Improvements Agreed, but nothing to do with scouts.

I'm not asking for a HP buff.

Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed. [Don't know about CPU/PG, but agreed on agility increases.]

Give us two damn Equip slots. [Why? That's for logistics.]

Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts. [Should be removed for everyone. Was never a problem.]

Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed. [Agreed on stamina amount, but not sure about regen speed.]

1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love. [ ]

Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it. [Gee Tea Ai Five]

CCP do not give the scouts an extra equipment slot equipment slots are for logi's

CCP do please work out the kinks in passive scanning and dampening and all that jive

PG/CPU could use a slight buff but not to major

speed is fine and base hp is fine IMO

the thing about the scout is people always go for the same crap on them

all ive ever heard people say is its about speed mods on the scout suit buy not on mine

Look at Replication to Chrome everyone gets slower, the Chrome to Uprising and everyone continues to slow down, let's get our speed back!

I wouldn't mind more base speed but IMO its not needed thats what the mods are for

also in chrome the guys were moving faster then the framerate that was a joke

im more for the passive scanning, dampening and a way better base scan on my scout

Really.

- Aiming Improvements
- Possibility of equal turn speeds
- Hit Detection Improvements

I'm not asking for a HP buff.

Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed.

Give us two damn Equip slots.

Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts.

Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed.

1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love.

Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it.

I for one have found out how to use the gallente scout from the g1 level to proto

So basically, OP wants a buff because the reason scouts were good before is because they are not affected by the crappy aiming issues (slow turning etc), and can take advantage of the horrid hit detection?

CCP Wolfman posted some sensor changes it may be the thing scouts need.

We're hoping to give the scouts some love in 1.5 but the vehicle rebalance is our priority so keep your fingers crossed we have time.

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but Wolfman recently said that they are trying to get a scout fix/improvement in 1.5, but because of time constraints there's a good chance it will slip to 1.6.

I found the quote:


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1176762#post1176762

You think thats enough?

Scouts have no hope of survival.

I'd like to see scouts get an inherent suit trait that would make cloaking special to them over other suits. Like if you stand still for over 10 seconds, you cloak until you move again. It'd be great for nova knifers while giving players more incentive to use active scanners and precision enhancers to counter it.

Think of what actually skilling into the scout gets you that you would not have if you stick with the basic light frames, profile reduction. You know, so you can sneak around. But no one can passively scan you outside of 10 meters, so it doesn't matter if your profile signature is 10dB or 100dB, no one is going to pick you up because you're not running within 10 meters of someone's back. It's essentially a wasted skill.

potential 99m scan range is not enough for you in the gallente scout gk.0?
you know the best you can get without gallente scout bonus is 66m?
if they buffed base to 15 that would give gallente scout potential for 170m.
pick up a active scanner if you want better than the 99m scan range with 32 precisioon.

how much do complex range extenders increase your scan range? By 100 percent per level?

With max scan and scout skills your base range is only 20 meters.

how much do complex range extenders increase your scan range? By 100 percent per level?

With max scan and scout skills your base range is only 20 meters.

Lol possibly 1.5? And most likely 1.6?

If Scouts dont get anything in 1.4 I'll be saying good bye to DUST, I'm not going through one month of getting killed over and over by ARs.

Really.

- Aiming Improvements
- Possibility of equal turn speeds
- Hit Detection Improvements

I'm not asking for a HP buff.

Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed.

Give us two damn Equip slots.

Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts.

Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed.

1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love.

Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it.

I'd like to see scouts get an inherent suit trait that would make cloaking special to them over other suits. Like if you stand still for over 10 seconds, you cloak until you move again. It'd be great for nova knifers while giving players more incentive to use active scanners and precision enhancers to counter it. I'm already a MD user with scouts as my bane and I'm suggesting a radical idea like this.

range lv5, suit bonus lvl 5, 4x complex range

10 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 = 99.4613906

Im presently lv3 range, lv3 3 scout, and run a suit with 4x advanced range
my range is 56.13m tested

yes 20m is still crap without mods. some people know the suit bonus is just a helper boost not ment to entirely replace the use of of mods

learn the formula. range modifiers has no stacking penalties.

Really.

- Aiming Improvements
- Possibility of equal turn speeds
- Hit Detection Improvements

I'm not asking for a HP buff.

Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed.

Give us two damn Equip slots.

Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts.

Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed.

1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love.

Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it.

I think your math is off here.

It should be 10 + (10 x 1.5) + (10 x 1.5) = 20

Then, when you ad in the Mods it should be 20 + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) = 56

So max Scan Range for a Gal Scout should be 56m.

I tried to start a thread about CCP plans for scout a few days ago, it died w/o anyone commenting. Why should CCP care about reworking scouts if even the scout community does not care?

Camp like the Fatties with their Forge Guns.

You gonna organize a Scout Strike Shotty? Get all the Scouts in your chat channel into full squads then just redline camp/afk?

I'm not a scout. I run a 2.3k, cheap-ass Minmatar light suit.

If hit detection gets fixed, I'll feel sorry for everyone I encounter with my MLT shotgun.

I think your math is off here.

It should be 10 + (10 x 1.5) + (10 x 1.5) = 20

Then, when you ad in the Mods it should be 20 + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) = 56

So max Scan Range for a Gal Scout should be 56m.

potential 99m scan range is not enough for you in the gallente scout gk.0?
you know the best you can get without gallente scout bonus is 66m?
if they buffed base to 15 that would give gallente scout potential for 170m.
pick up a active scanner if you want better than the 99m scan range with 32 precisioon.

As I sniper I love this idea, but I'm afraid it would make sniping too easy. Especially as active scanners have limited reach and width, and many mercs won't be using an active scanner.

I'm not a scout. I run a 2.3k, cheap-ass Minmatar light suit.

If hit detection gets fixed, I'll feel sorry for everyone I encounter with my MLT shotgun.