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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:00:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I'd like it if scouts didn't have to wait a sec for stamina to recharge.
Edit:oh and Gallente scouts need a buff to base scan range so we can...ya know...scout. potential 99m scan range is not enough for you in the gallente scout gk.0? you know the best you can get without gallente scout bonus is 66m? if they buffed base to 15 that would give gallente scout potential for 170m. pick up a active scanner if you want better than the 99m scan range with 32 precisioon. how much do complex range extenders increase your scan range? By 100 percent per level? With max scan and scout skills your base range is only 20 meters. range lv5, suit bonus lvl 5, 4x complex range 10 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 = 99.4613906 Im presently lv3 range, lv3 3 scout, and run a suit with 4x advanced range my range is 56.13m tested yes 20m is still crap without mods. some people know the suit bonus is just a helper boost not ment to entirely replace the use of of mods learn the formula. range modifiers has no stacking penalties.
I think your math is off here.
It should be 10 + (10 x 1.5) + (10 x 1.5) = 20
Then, when you ad in the Mods it should be 20 + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) = 56
So max Scan Range for a Gal Scout should be 56m. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
545
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:07:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Really.
- Aiming Improvements
- Possibility of equal turn speeds
- Hit Detection Improvements
I'm not asking for a HP buff.
Give us more PG/CPU, also make us harder to hit, giving us a buff to Sprint and Movement speed.
Give us two damn Equip slots.
Get rid of the stupid stamina delay you added, but only remove it for Scouts.
Increase base Stamina and Stamina regen speed.
1.4 will be the death of the Scout if we dont get changed, and its starting to look like from dev/CPM responses (IRC, CPM-AMA, Forums) that Scout wont be getting any love.
Dont make that mistake CCP, I can handle one more month, but two is pushing it.
Agreed with your Post +1
Still, its Knight Solaire i believe....
Hail Papa Nito biatches.... |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
714
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:36:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I'd like it if scouts didn't have to wait a sec for stamina to recharge.
Edit:oh and Gallente scouts need a buff to base scan range so we can...ya know...scout. potential 99m scan range is not enough for you in the gallente scout gk.0? you know the best you can get without gallente scout bonus is 66m? if they buffed base to 15 that would give gallente scout potential for 170m. pick up a active scanner if you want better than the 99m scan range with 32 precisioon. how much do complex range extenders increase your scan range? By 100 percent per level? With max scan and scout skills your base range is only 20 meters. range lv5, suit bonus lvl 5, 4x complex range 10 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 = 99.4613906 Im presently lv3 range, lv3 3 scout, and run a suit with 4x advanced range my range is 56.13m tested yes 20m is still crap without mods. some people know the suit bonus is just a helper boost not ment to entirely replace the use of of mods learn the formula. range modifiers has no stacking penalties. I think your math is off here. It should be 10 + (10 x 1.5) + (10 x 1.5) = 20 Then, when you ad in the Mods it should be 20 + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) = 56 So max Scan Range for a Gal Scout should be 56m.
See, thats about what i was thinking it would be. Thats why i asked if they boosted scan range my 100 percent. Tho, tbh i suck at math. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
574
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:06:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:I tried to start a thread about CCP plans for scout a few days ago, it died w/o anyone commenting. Why should CCP care about reworking scouts if even the scout community does not care?
Hey Ludvig,
I read your thread and gave it a thumbs up, but didn't have anything to add that already hasn't been stated elsewhere. Not to say your feedback is invalid; every Scout shares your experience and sentiment. That said, there have been so many "Scouts need fixing" threads since Uprising that we're more or less just repeating ourselves in vain at this point.
I'm thinking CCP had us in mind when they rewired TacNet; let's hope they follow through with it in 1.4.
- Shotty
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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:53:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Camp like the Fatties with their Forge Guns.
You gonna organize a Scout Strike Shotty? Get all the Scouts in your chat channel into full squads then just redline camp/afk? |
Decasor
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
50
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:15:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Camp like the Fatties with their Forge Guns. You gonna organize a Scout Strike Shotty? Get all the Scouts in your chat channel into full squads then just redline camp/afk?
Thats actually quite an amusing idea.
Make sure we all log into the most popular and populous server (US or EU depending on time of day), and either mass AFK or all sit out and redline snipe for the entire game, for days 
That would get us some attention and love (not) 
The whining in the forums would be like a fleet of Jumbo's on the takeoff run. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
337
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:44:00 -
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I'm not a scout. I run a 2.3k, cheap-ass Minmatar light suit.
If hit detection gets fixed, I'll feel sorry for everyone I encounter with my MLT shotgun. |
Decasor
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
50
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:49:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:I'm not a scout. I run a 2.3k, cheap-ass Minmatar light suit.
If hit detection gets fixed, I'll feel sorry for everyone I encounter with my MLT shotgun.
Yes, within their hit range in Beta they were outrageously dangerous to get in front of.
Now barely a pop gun. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
379
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:29:00 -
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We should all just get militia heavies an qsync with tree squads ( one 6 an two of 5) an use forge guns like shotguns with speed mods an nova knives an move in a huge pack an have maybe the squad of 6 be actual scouts with rep tools nano hives uplinks an bombs an two guys use assault rifles for range an just travel like a pack of piranha s keepin the scout suits inside the heavy forge circle only to swoop out fast an shot gun then get back inside the swarm lol |
Decasor
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
50
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:33:00 -
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A full team of mass driver heavies - now that would be annoying |
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
379
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:45:00 -
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6 commandos with plasma canons an mass drivers, 4 scouts with mass drivers an smg, 4 nova knifing shot gunners, ouch! |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
379
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:46:00 -
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An 2 faylock grenade spammers lol |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
623
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Posted - 2013.08.16 09:23:00 -
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Scouts desperately need a passive cloaking feature.
You can't see them unless they are hit, shooting, or sprinting.
Basically, the cloak would work with shields. The smaller the shield delay is, the faster you can get back to being cloaked again.
Until then, they need to not have a red dot on the radar or HUD unless you are aiming directly at them. |
voidfaction
Void of Faction
49
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:45:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I'd like it if scouts didn't have to wait a sec for stamina to recharge.
Edit:oh and Gallente scouts need a buff to base scan range so we can...ya know...scout. potential 99m scan range is not enough for you in the gallente scout gk.0? you know the best you can get without gallente scout bonus is 66m? if they buffed base to 15 that would give gallente scout potential for 170m. pick up a active scanner if you want better than the 99m scan range with 32 precisioon. how much do complex range extenders increase your scan range? By 100 percent per level? With max scan and scout skills your base range is only 20 meters. range lv5, suit bonus lvl 5, 4x complex range 10 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 x 1.45 = 99.4613906 Im presently lv3 range, lv3 3 scout, and run a suit with 4x advanced range my range is 56.13m tested yes 20m is still crap without mods. some people know the suit bonus is just a helper boost not ment to entirely replace the use of of mods learn the formula. range modifiers has no stacking penalties. I think your math is off here. It should be 10 + (10 x 1.5) + (10 x 1.5) = 20 Then, when you ad in the Mods it should be 20 + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) + (20 x 1.45) = 56 So max Scan Range for a Gal Scout should be 56m.
if my math is off then so is CCP's and the creator of the Dust 514 Fitting Tool. Tested in game and I have 56m with only lvl 3 range, lvl 3 suit, and 4 advanced range mods.
everything in game works with the same formula starting with base x basic skill x suit bonus x mods.
only thing I haven't tested is which comes first if using 2+ different lvl mods.
same formula with profile dampening and precision but because it is making the value lower it's kinda like having a stacking penalty. you can't get to 0.
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
523
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Posted - 2013.08.16 13:15:00 -
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If the Scout is not even harder to play after 1.4 I just may give it a try. I use to love it. |
Cass Caul
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:44:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I'd like it if scouts didn't have to wait a sec for stamina to recharge.
Edit:oh and Gallente scouts need a buff to base scan range so we can...ya know...scout. potential 99m scan range is not enough for you in the gallente scout gk.0? you know the best you can get without gallente scout bonus is 66m? if they buffed base to 15 that would give gallente scout potential for 170m. pick up a active scanner if you want better than the 99m scan range with 32 precisioon.
VoidFaction,you math so good! Cumulative bonuses with stacking penalties to range amplifiers.
Current max scanning range on a Gallente Scout is 10*1.5*1.5*2.8578 is 64.3m
Gallente Logi can get 10*1.5*2.9941 which is 44.9m
Returning to Chromosome's range 25m base for scouts and 20 base for all other suits would make max ranges 160.75m and 89.8m respectivey. Only no one is going to sacrifice ALL OF THEIR LOW SLOTS for those numbers. Despite the fact that THE SCANNER DOESN'T WORK to begin with and Gallente Scouts can't even detect other Scouts
lrian Locust wrote:Cosgar wrote:I'd like to see scouts get an inherent suit trait that would make cloaking special to them over other suits. Like if you stand still for over 10 seconds, you cloak until you move again. It'd be great for nova knifers while giving players more incentive to use active scanners and precision enhancers to counter it. As I sniper I love this idea, but I'm afraid it would make sniping too easy. Especially as active scanners have limited reach and width, and many mercs won't be using an active scanner.
Doesn't matter. Current Mechanics have view distance very limited. A sniper is always invisible regardless.
Also Sniping as a Scout is pretty dumb. Sniping is defined by the number of Complex Damage Modules you can fit on your suit. The Proto snipers can't hold up to proto suits. Giving a reason for Scouts to be a sniper would be a wonderful boon. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1219
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:48:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:I'm not a scout. I run a 2.3k, cheap-ass Minmatar light suit.
If hit detection gets fixed, I'll feel sorry for everyone I encounter with my MLT shotgun.
With hit detection improved, they'll be able to pop you at twice the distance. Good luck strafing. |
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