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DS 10
G I A N T EoN.
639
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:42:00 -
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Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:You lost respect for a corp because they manhandled you? Give me a break. TP is one of the most chill corps around. When I squad with them most of the chatter is people BSing and having fun. Either step your game up, or leave. Don't blame others for playing to win. I didnt lose respect because I got man handled I lost respect because I was run over as I spawned behind the redline twice. At least give me a chance to defend myself. I dont call that manhandled. That playing to win? They already won why camp MCC and CRU behind the redline?
Change your spawn point. Run a scout with an uplink somewhere in the distance. Call in an LAV of your own. These are all things that prevent being killed while redlined. Don't just run out and expect no one to try to kill you. If the game was that out of hand that fast, they were killing you behind the redline out of sheer boredom. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
706
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:44:00 -
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Honest redline should be removed. If you get pushed all the way back to spawn at your MCC then you should pretty much be screwed unless you are skilled. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:05:00 -
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Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:You lost respect for a corp because they manhandled you? Give me a break. TP is one of the most chill corps around. When I squad with them most of the chatter is people BSing and having fun. Either step your game up, or leave. Don't blame others for playing to win. I didnt lose respect because I got man handled I lost respect because I was run over as I spawned behind the redline twice. At least give me a chance to defend myself. I dont call that manhandled. That playing to win? They already won why camp MCC and CRU behind the redline? Because they are looking to cap their SP as fast as they can so they can go play better games and or deal with Real Life stuff.
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Kaidan Riddick
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:05:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:You lost respect for a corp because they manhandled you? Give me a break. TP is one of the most chill corps around. When I squad with them most of the chatter is people BSing and having fun. Either step your game up, or leave. Don't blame others for playing to win. I didnt lose respect because I got man handled I lost respect because I was run over as I spawned behind the redline twice. At least give me a chance to defend myself. I dont call that manhandled. That playing to win? They already won why camp MCC and CRU behind the redline? Change your spawn point. Run a scout with an uplink somewhere in the distance. Call in an LAV of your own. These are all things that prevent being killed while redlined. Don't just run out and expect no one to try to kill you. If the game was that out of hand that fast, they were killing you behind the redline out of sheer boredom.
Ds I agree with you 100%. What I was seeing as I spawned from The CRU was the kill chart saying who just ran over me with a LAV. That happened twice in a row. And I was not the only blueberry. Didn't have a chance to run or throw down a uplink. And before I went to CRU was getting sniped after hitting the ground out of the MCC. |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
24
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:10:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Honest redline should be removed. If you get pushed all the way back to spawn at your MCC then you should pretty much be screwed unless you are skilled.
I agree with this, with the caveat that the fallback/last stand position that replaces the redline have a CRU with some cover and is highly defensible, making use of all those pillboxes, towers, turrets, etc. that often seem wasted elsewhere on the map. Taking this fallback position could be a third way to win, with some sort of reward for doing so. |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
634
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:15:00 -
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So you lost respect for a clan cause they pubbed? Wow. Maybe you should lose some respect for CCP for no match making, the SP cap not allowing new players to challenge, and scaring away all the real corps/alliances out of PC to keep teams like Team occupied. But hey once again, its all on Team and EoN! |
Kaidan Riddick
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:34:00 -
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Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:So you lost respect for a clan cause they pubbed? Wow. Maybe you should lose some respect for CCP for no match making, the SP cap not allowing new players to challenge, and scaring away all the real corps/alliances out of PC to keep teams like Team occupied. But hey once again, its all on Team and EoN!
As my 1st post states I was pubbed by them couple matches before. I have been pubbed before and will again have. No problem with that. But if I am on the otherside I will not Snipe and run over reds as they spawn out of there MCC and CRU. I at least give them a chance to run or something. Not saying others are giving that chance though. Just myself. Guess that makes me the bad Merc for letting them hit the ground. Oh well that's the way I play. I'll play with the cards I'm dealt. I don't have a royal flush just a pair of deuces.
As far as CCP I was not here in beta and have played just under 2 months. Yes they could improve the game in many ways but I still will play because I like the game even if its not perfect. |
Remm Duchax
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
90
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:09:00 -
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They can be beaten you know. Every enemy team can be beaten. You just require a full squad and players worth their salt. |
Remm Duchax
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
90
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:10:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Honest redline should be removed. If you get pushed all the way back to spawn at your MCC then you should pretty much be screwed unless you are skilled.
Agree and I can finally take care of all the pesky snipers, because there's no satisfaction like killing a sniper with one roar of your HMG and a LLAV nicely parked next to the sniper. |
Ankoku Daishogun
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:38:00 -
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I feel you man, My advice to you is to not play on Wednesdays or Thursdays. That's when most players start grinding SP right after the cap. There is nothing you can do about proto squads pub stomping, they got the money so they are not worried about losing isk.
I am in Asia, but most of my friends are in NA and EU, and I tell you, there is no flucking point in using anything but proto gear on these two servers (NA and EU). It is disgusting, almost like a PC battle but without friendly fire....so spam grenades and mass drivers without worrying about team kills.
I have a little more than 20 million SP (proto heavy, proto assault, proto logi), and more than 150 million isk, when I do play solo on Asia, I usually run advanced gear mainly because the server is full of new players with low SP...until I get killed by a proto weapon, only then do I change into proto gear.
Another thing you can do is try out the Asia servers, it is quite pleasant and easy going, not many try hards...at least not as many as in your servers. |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
844
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:45:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Well, they're one of the best corps in the game, so they would stomp most anyone.
Eon rarely gets attacked like they used to so all the vets have to play is pubs.
Matchmaking still sucks.
Can they blame anyone but themselves for baking the Blueberry Muffin in Molden Heath?
I doubt it but I'm not saying that'll stop them from trying. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3278
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:14:00 -
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TP didn't do anything wrong lol
This has been the state of DUST pubs since forever. Matchmaking is a joke, so stacked teams destroy a team full of noobs. That's how it is.
Can't blame TP for winning. Blame CCP for the current matchmaking system. |
Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
37
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:17:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:You can't blame an enemy of giving you the best opposition they can.
Learn from that. Find ways to counter. You'll become a better player. In pubs this isn't always possible. Had I think it was Sever True Blood pull out three tanks yesterday against low SP rookies on my team, the match didn't last long, although I did try to Forge them. If you don't shoot from where the tank will retreat then you won't kill them, tankers are cowards you see. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:26:00 -
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Pubstomping is a big problem that people have been complaining about and CCP is working on a better matchmaking system.
However, there is also the problem of the game devolving into the spamming of certain mechanics. Apparently PC battles are nothing but this sort of play.
Spam uplinks, spam nanohives, spam grenades. Forget any real mix of roles and just everybody go Duvolle proto assault. Enjoy stomping the general population who simply want to casual play or are new and still testing the game out and don't want or care about team organization.
CCP wants this game to be team cooperation oriented but you'll never get that in the pub match part of the game. CCP needs to tailor the game to the majority of the player base it is getting. There is always room to allow for people who want to organize more and take on bigger challenges. There are FW and PC battles. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6855
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:31:00 -
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Well if you don't play you wont get any better, |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
124
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:36:00 -
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Okay now, fess up..
Whose alt is this? |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
777
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:37:00 -
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If the other team stops pushing then I think murder taxi'ing and every other cheap way to get kills is fair game.
I'm sick of people rolling over and hiding behind the redline after 3 minutes of trying. |
GTA V FTW
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well if you don't play you wont get any better, Yeah but you will still get SP's and ISk's. |
copy left
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:43:00 -
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Kaidan Riddick wrote:I myself have been playing less than 2 months and have around 6.2 mil. SP. I'm not great at FPS games but you don't see me complaining about getting my ass handed to me. Except for now. Me and a fellow corp member were playing last night and were put in to a couple matches versus a squad of "Team Players" and their CEO none other than CHICAGOCUBS4EVER. In the first match we were In the match for a few minutes. Then redlined. No problems there getting my butt kicked. But we meet them again couple matches later. 5 null cannon bridge map. Wow in less than 5 minutes redline. Ok no problem. WTH sniped as I land out of MCC and start running to top of hill from spindal tower on our MCC side. Ok WTF ran over by killer taxi as I spawn at CRU on our side in RED ZONE. I was killed 2 times this way and others also. Then couple matches later our team redlines another team. Wow we protect nulls and dont go camping the MCC or CRU in the redline. Other team did take a cannon couple times but then lost it. They tried to fight. I was trying to against TEAM PLAYERS but was not even getting the chance to hit the ground. Being a Noob , scrub or whatever has no bearing on what The team was having to deal with. Then you guys want to ***** about AFKing and redline sniping. Get a clue as to why so many new people leave and others AFK. Lost all respect for Team Players and their CEO.
How is it teamplayers fault for wooping your ass ? They have just as much a right to play the game as you do?
What are the supposed to do? Let you flucking win? GTFO here with that crybaby stuff. You act like you are the only one to have suffered a crushing defeat in the EvE universe.
Everyone here has had to go through that at one time or another. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:58:00 -
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Most of you seem to be missing the point of the OP. When a squad like TeamPlayers faces no real competition, there is no question who will dominate the match. There is nothing wrong with that.
Spawn-camping (on pubs) on the other hand, is despicable and stupid.
Despicable for obvious reasons. If you do it in any game, you will lose the respect of your peers, and this is not any different. Whether you care about it is your choice, but you have to take into account that karma might just come around to bite you in the arse one day.
And stupid, because it's not the best method to farm kills or WP. Spawn-camping doesn't happen because it's the best tactical choice, but because six selfish f*cktwads are going into panic mode at the thought of possibly missing out on kills. Usually when this happens, most of the campers end up with low single-digit scores, so it can't be working too well for them.
Consider the alternative: You can set up post at one or more objectives, occasionally moving around, but more or less letting the battle around you flow freely. Doing this will not just create a massive amount of WP and kills for your team, it will also be more fun for everyone involved and not make you look like a bunch of tools. And you'll still be dominating the game.
Anybody who doesn't realise that this is the better choice is IMO not fit to lead a squad, let alone a corporation.
"But what if they don't push us?", well how about you retreat a little bit and let them have an objective. Your ego can probably take it. If they absolutely refuse to come out no matter what, then it's a different story... But I have not seen this happening yet.
If you want to farm ISK by finishing matches quickly, Ambush is obviously the better choice for that.
Spawn-camping is a legit "tactic" if you can call it that, but it's also legit to take it to the forums and publicly shame the offenders like the OP did. If you don't like it then... well what do you all like to say? HTFU. |
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
64
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:04:00 -
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Here's an idea.
If you're getting redlined, don't feed the grinder.
The reason why redlining happens is because people still spawn and try to make a fight out by the redline, either with gun battles (you get killed first 90% of the time), sniping (you get counter-sniped pretty easily), or calling in a vehicle (it gets destroyed by proto swarms/forges before it hits the ground).
If no one left the MCC then there would be nothing for anyone on the opposing team to shoot at, therefore redlining wouldn't be productive after all the installations were destroyed.
Maybe the pubstompers would withdraw from the redline and actually let the losing team get a foothold on the map.
If not, then at least you've earned SP for AFKing the round.
If you've capped already, then leave battle and queue into another match. |
Asher Night
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
445
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:17:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Kaidan Riddick wrote:I myself have been playing less than 2 months and have around 6.2 mil. SP. I'm not great at FPS games but you don't see me complaining about getting my ass handed to me. Except for now. Me and a fellow corp member were playing last night and were put in to a couple matches versus a squad of "Team Players" and their CEO none other than CHICAGOCUBS4EVER. In the first match we were In the match for a few minutes. Then redlined. No problems there getting my butt kicked. But we meet them again couple matches later. 5 null cannon bridge map. Wow in less than 5 minutes redline. Ok no problem. WTH sniped as I land out of MCC and start running to top of hill from spindal tower on our MCC side. Ok WTF ran over by killer taxi as I spawn at CRU on our side in RED ZONE. I was killed 2 times this way and others also. Then couple matches later our team redlines another team. Wow we protect nulls and dont go camping the MCC or CRU in the redline. Other team did take a cannon couple times but then lost it. They tried to fight. I was trying to against TEAM PLAYERS but was not even getting the chance to hit the ground. Being a Noob , scrub or whatever has no bearing on what The team was having to deal with. Then you guys want to ***** about AFKing and redline sniping. Get a clue as to why so many new people leave and others AFK. Lost all respect for Team Players and their CEO. Is this another nerf TP or QQ thread? Change spawn points, work with your team, flank the red dots or atleast distract them long enough to make a move some where else. This is exactly what happens when people don't play with their Comms ON or just do whatever the hell they wanna do. I'm sure if you had a coordinated team, you'd be able to give any Corp a hard time.
I see your point but I have to disagree with you. Good communication will only get you so far. in fact, Supior gunplay is infinitely better than supior communication. I've played first person shooters (for example, B3) where no one even has a headset and we absolutely decimate the other team because we just aim better and the enemy team all goes negativem
On the flip side, I've played games where we are legitimately trying to work out what to do and everytime we make a move we get killed because no one can f-ing aim.
Also, in MAG, perhaps some of you have heard of [~^~] The Dark Flock? The majority of games, we would just bullsh*t and talk about whatever and never talk about teamwork or the game. This is in part because in order to join everyone had to have a KDR of 2 to 1 - so rarely did we even have to 'try' to win. I remember one time I ran into an entire squad actually crouch walking in a V formation. They were close to the objective so they must have made it all the way from their spawn point. Imagine the coordination to pull something like that off? I killed them all. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2078
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:50:00 -
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Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:You lost respect for a corp because they manhandled you? Give me a break. TP is one of the most chill corps around. When I squad with them most of the chatter is people BSing and having fun. Either step your game up, or leave. Don't blame others for playing to win. I didnt lose respect because I got man handled I lost respect because I was run over as I spawned behind the redline twice. At least give me a chance to defend myself. I dont call that manhandled. That playing to win? They already won why camp MCC and CRU behind the redline? Change your spawn point. Run a scout with an uplink somewhere in the distance. Call in an LAV of your own. These are all things that prevent being killed while redlined. Don't just run out and expect no one to try to kill you. If the game was that out of hand that fast, they were killing you behind the redline out of sheer boredom. Ds I agree with you 100%. What I was seeing as I spawned from The CRU was the kill chart saying who just ran over me with a LAV. That happened twice in a row. And I was not the only blueberry. Didn't have a chance to run or throw down a uplink. And before I went to CRU was getting sniped after hitting the ground out of the MCC.
You have to plan ahead. Where were the rest of your teams uplinks? When playing "serious" opponents you MUST get at least a dozen or so uplinks spread out around the field in the opening 30 seconds or so.
As far as redlining is concerned; Why would you expect your opponents to lazily allow the enemy to get a foothold once you've gotten yourselves pinned in through lack of strategic play? The faster you all die, the faster they can queue another match with hopefully better opponents. Did you really expect them to just give you an objective? |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
197
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:33:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Kaidan Riddick wrote:I myself have been playing less than 2 months and have around 6.2 mil. SP. I'm not great at FPS games but you don't see me complaining about getting my ass handed to me. Except for now. Me and a fellow corp member were playing last night and were put in to a couple matches versus a squad of "Team Players" and their CEO none other than CHICAGOCUBS4EVER. In the first match we were In the match for a few minutes. Then redlined. No problems there getting my butt kicked. But we meet them again couple matches later. 5 null cannon bridge map. Wow in less than 5 minutes redline. Ok no problem. WTH sniped as I land out of MCC and start running to top of hill from spindal tower on our MCC side. Ok WTF ran over by killer taxi as I spawn at CRU on our side in RED ZONE. I was killed 2 times this way and others also. Then couple matches later our team redlines another team. Wow we protect nulls and dont go camping the MCC or CRU in the redline. Other team did take a cannon couple times but then lost it. They tried to fight. I was trying to against TEAM PLAYERS but was not even getting the chance to hit the ground. Being a Noob , scrub or whatever has no bearing on what The team was having to deal with. Then you guys want to ***** about AFKing and redline sniping. Get a clue as to why so many new people leave and others AFK. Lost all respect for Team Players and their CEO. Is this another nerf TP or QQ thread? Change spawn points, work with your team, flank the red dots or atleast distract them long enough to make a move some where else. This is exactly what happens when people don't play with their Comms ON or just do whatever the hell they wanna do. I'm sure if you had a coordinated team, you'd be able to give any Corp a hard time. I see your point but I have to disagree with you. Good communication will only get you so far. in fact, Supior gunplay is infinitely better than supior communication. I've played first person shooters (for example, B3) where no one even has a headset and we absolutely decimate the other team because we just aim better and the enemy team all goes negativem On the flip side, I've played games where we are legitimately trying to work out what to do and everytime we make a move we get killed because no one can f-ing aim. Also, in MAG, perhaps some of you have heard of [~^~] The Dark Flock? The majority of games, we would just bullsh*t and talk about whatever and never talk about teamwork or the game. This is in part because in order to join everyone had to have a KDR of 2 to 1 - so rarely did we even have to 'try' to win. I remember one time I ran into an entire squad actually crouch walking in a V formation. They were close to the objective so they must have made it all the way from their spawn point. Imagine the coordination to pull something like that off? I killed them all.
Did they have PRO tags? Sounds like something stupid they would have done in that game.
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1700
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:58:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:Kaidan Riddick wrote:DS 10 wrote:You lost respect for a corp because they manhandled you? Give me a break. TP is one of the most chill corps around. When I squad with them most of the chatter is people BSing and having fun. Either step your game up, or leave. Don't blame others for playing to win. I didnt lose respect because I got man handled I lost respect because I was run over as I spawned behind the redline twice. At least give me a chance to defend myself. I dont call that manhandled. That playing to win? They already won why camp MCC and CRU behind the redline? Change your spawn point. Run a scout with an uplink somewhere in the distance. Call in an LAV of your own. These are all things that prevent being killed while redlined. Don't just run out and expect no one to try to kill you. If the game was that out of hand that fast, they were killing you behind the redline out of sheer boredom. Ds I agree with you 100%. What I was seeing as I spawned from The CRU was the kill chart saying who just ran over me with a LAV. That happened twice in a row. And I was not the only blueberry. Didn't have a chance to run or throw down a uplink. And before I went to CRU was getting sniped after hitting the ground out of the MCC. You have to plan ahead. Where were the rest of your teams uplinks? When playing "serious" opponents you MUST get at least a dozen or so uplinks spread out around the field in the opening 30 seconds or so. As far as redlining is concerned; Why would you expect your opponents to lazily allow the enemy to get a foothold once you've gotten yourselves pinned in through lack of strategic play? The faster you all die, the faster they can queue another match with hopefully better opponents. Did you really expect them to just give you an objective?
This is true... so is the post about not feeding the grinder.
An apt team at the point of redline can snipe people that fall from the MCC and run over people running out from the other spawn. Once you're at that point, fighting back is mostly a lesson in clone-loss.
A set of truly new players may not even have fits with links on them of course (it's not part of your starting set), and there's pretty much no hope there. With really lop-sided teams, even a few links won't save you - objectives will be quickly recaptured, and your links are typically visible to the enemy anyhow.
The fact that people can spawn on objectives is part of the problem; the point of carrying spawn-points with you is less apparent. Matches can be won or lost in the first minute or so though, on that point the OP is accurate. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1753
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:59:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:This is what happens when you remove Ambush OMS I RAGE HARD AT THAT!!!!!! |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
150
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:26:00 -
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Corps need to be able to organize battles that actually gain them SP. The only way to train to play in PRO gear is to play in PRO gear that means when not in PC, public matches are the only way for Corps to train. The game needs Corp Battles and they need to actually give SP and ISK. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
844
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:52:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Corps need to be able to organize battles that actually gain them SP. The only way to train to play in PRO gear is to play in PRO gear that means when not in PC, public matches are the only way for Corps to train. The game needs Corp Battles and they need to actually give SP and ISK. lol Nice attempt at justification for protostomping.
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2328
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:54:00 -
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Read the OP, it took Teamplayers 5 minutes to redline your team?
What a **** corp, takes me two. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
152
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:37:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:dday3six wrote:Corps need to be able to organize battles that actually gain them SP. The only way to train to play in PRO gear is to play in PRO gear that means when not in PC, public matches are the only way for Corps to train. The game needs Corp Battles and they need to actually give SP and ISK. lol Nice attempt at justification for protostomping.
I'm giving a justification for Corp Battles. I hate to break it to you, the justification for proto-stomping is that the game allows it. Now my suggestion only deters it by giving players another outlet in which to run their PRO gear, it's not going to eliminate it, but it's a start.
Being against Proto-stomping is a morality based objection. It's not overpowered, nor it is a glitch or exploit. It's not against the rules in any form or fashion. The game, working as intended allows and so it happens. See this is the issue with all that HFTU, Adapt or Die, and Welcome to New Eden jive, you could easily apply it to the situation and dismiss that it might be an actually issue. |
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