This has only been happening with Scrambler Rifles, but I'm getting killed by them in 4 shots or less. I don't know if its headshott multiplier, or what. But nobody else will be firing at me, but Scrambler Rifles are dropping me from full shields and Armor in 1 second.

I'm assuming its some kind of lag, but its only SCRs. I watch my health meter deplete in 2 shots. This is putting the damage done to me at over 150HP per shot.

I know Scramblers are great weapons, but any explanation as to what's causing this? Its happened over 50x now, at all ranges and levels of weapon.

Scrambler rifles have this thing called a charged shot which causes a lot more damaged an it's single shots. That plus damage mods and proficiency can easily be killing you off

Scramblers I wonder what that could do to your brain? Hmmm 400% dmg + 80dmg per shot if its imperial the 400% is a headshot an extra 20% to shields

The rifle's headshot multiplier is 180%, not 400%. The pistol is 450% headshot.

-XOXO

Charged shot is slow moving.
Stop standing around.

LOL the flaylock nerf is coming, and now people are switching over to scramblers to combat shield gankers.

New FoTM, called it.

Wtf a pistol more than rifle lmao ill take your word for it

Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense.

Well you have low shields so it'll vaporize them in 2 shots. The next 2 shots will most likely get through your low armor as well. You need more health if you wanna survive, or take more cover. Scrambler rifles have around 80 damage. Also a TAR will most likely kill you faster.

-XOXO

Still doesn't add up

Most Scrambler Rifle players will shoot a charged shot first, which does an insane amount of damage, and can leave a fit like yours with very little HP. Then 1 or 2 shots to kill you before it overheats. And trust me that thing overheats a lot. It's balanced, get that HP up.

-XOXO

Some used scr since it came out so no not fotm try again

Seriously people, did you think there was not going to be an answer for having 600+ shields.

-_-

You can shoot with the scr nonstop if you shoot slowly.....very slowly....

Most Scrambler Rifle players will shoot a charged shot first, which does an insane amount of damage, and can leave a fit like yours with very little HP. Then 1 or 2 shots to kill you before it overheats. And trust me that thing overheats a lot. It's balanced, get that HP up.

-XOXO

What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots.
If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta.

If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that.

What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots.
If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta.

If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that.

You got beat. Accept it and stop trying to stir **** up

Srsly are we just going down the list of weapons we have and trying to get them nerfed? Is the only weapon acceptable SMGs?

http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc

And yes, I am THAT guy...

You're kidding, please tell me you're kidding. No? Why aren't you kidding?

http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc

And yes, I am THAT guy...

Everyone ignore the op, he's from "shining flame"

Post your dropsuit fitting first. Scrambler Rifles can't kill that much since the 80% damage to armor is crap. They're kill assists magnets.

-XOXO

What's shining flame? A corp I know that much never heard of them

Lmao you don't have the hp to survive anything..everything melts your suit and you do run ar we were right

just exactly how many shots can be fired directly after a charge shot? I did not know this was possible ( I am probably speccing them right now ... not really ). As I said earlier , I have had my shields depleted and left with about 1/3 of armor and then followed up by repeated quick shots finishing me before I usually have time to react. I have not really thought much about it, because currently I do not get killed by them often.. but times can change

I'll have to test it, but currently I fire 3 quick shots every time out of habit after my charge shot and don't over heat (though I use the Amarr assault suit). I'm fairly certain a 4th shot would do it.

Ahh thanks

oh yeh and, you sir are frikin deadly with that thing.. just realized it was YOU that did this to me lmao. Got me 3 times in a match that way, I almost got you back eventually but some blue came in and took the killshot :\



and no i'm not trying to say it was OP , I have tried the gun once and it was not for me. I am not very good with quick accurate taps

Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense.

Just to further bring up a point, I know you said you aren't saying they are OP, but if it makes you feel any better these things are terrible up close. Pretty easy to manage when defending, but when I'm assaulting a base I have to be very careful to manage the distance of my engagements (and actually I more often simply switch to my pistol). Too close and the charge shot is no good since missing would make you SOL with no room to retreat and the hip fire is very inaccurate.

Very good at its sweet spot, very bad outside of it. Your best bet if you are trying to take someone done with is (or at least me anyways) is to charge and get up in my face.

A charged shot is around 190-250ish for a body shot, standard rife no mods no prof.

Im betting a scrambler rifle backed by skill and dmg mods could do 700+ dmg headshots. just guessing...

Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense.

Ok so I tested it and I'm actually pretty shocked with my findings.

While wearing an Amarr Assault suit with level 3 in the skill
1 Charged shot + 8 quick shots = overheat

I never really paid attention to how much I could fire afterwards, but this will defintiely be changing my game up for the better. Need to get myself in the rhythm of 1 charge shot + 7 quick shots

This has only been happening with Scrambler Rifles, but I'm getting killed by them in 4 shots or less. I don't know if its headshott multiplier, or what. But nobody else will be firing at me, but Scrambler Rifles are dropping me from full shields and Armor in 1 second.

I'm assuming its some kind of lag, but its only SCRs. I watch my health meter deplete in 2 shots. This is putting the damage done to me at over 150HP per shot.

I know Scramblers are great weapons, but any explanation as to what's causing this? Its happened over 50x now, at all ranges and levels of weapon.

Keep that up and it will get nerfed lol.

GDI, all this talk about the ScR makes me want to use it. I already have 4 alts, you guys are killing me.

Ok so I tested it and I'm actually pretty shocked with my findings.

While wearing an Amarr Assault suit with level 3 in the skill
1 Charged shot + 8 quick shots = overheat

I never really paid attention to how much I could fire afterwards, but this will defintiely be changing my game up for the better. Need to get myself in the rhythm of 1 charge shot + 7 quick shots

EDIT: Meanwhile, 18 normal quick shots result in overheating, so it appears 1 charged shot = 10 quick shots as far as heat build up goes.

This has only been happening with Scrambler Rifles, but I'm getting killed by them in 4 shots or less. I don't know if its headshott multiplier, or what. But nobody else will be firing at me, but Scrambler Rifles are dropping me from full shields and Armor in 1 second.

I'm assuming its some kind of lag, but its only SCRs. I watch my health meter deplete in 2 shots. This is putting the damage done to me at over 150HP per shot.

I know Scramblers are great weapons, but any explanation as to what's causing this? Its happened over 50x now, at all ranges and levels of weapon.

Yeah, that gun isn't for everyone. I haven't gotten good with it ... yet.

But you pinged me pretty hard with yours the other day. Kept my head on a swivel the rest of that match

its a skill weapon

players are getting better with it and investing more skill points in it

it is not on bit OP ROF is perfect damage is perfect overheating is present

if anything it is one of the most balanced weapons in dust

Seems about right. I'm curious to see how head shot damage is calculated. Not like we'll ever see the hard numbers.

My goodness, more people noticing me. Again, I am humbled

Want me to let you in on a secret? I had a 7 million SP character which I abandoned a few days after May 14th to start on a level playing field with the new guys (and because I wanted True Amarr in my blood!). I have not used a single booster or any aurum; I only have 3.8 million skill points right now. I do not understand the people who say this game is pay to win or you need 10+ million skill points to have fun.

A little nervous now that the scrambler rifle may be the next FotM, but I'm pretty confident that when people use it they will realize it has a very niche role on the battle field. Still, even if it does get a nerf with heat build up, as long as I can fire 3 shots after the charge I'll probably be alright (but seriously it does not need a nerf!!!).

I die to more pistols than rifles.
And that's not a lot. Maybe twice a night.

Side note/question: When did the SMG get gagged? Those used to be really nice.

If that's the case, that's ridiculous. 1HKs from a standard issue weapon should never be in a game.

But its the vicious cycle of any game, the more you find out about the mechanics and how its supposed to work, the more you'll get upset when you discover it not working the way its supposed to be. Allowing a primary rifle to cause as much as 700 damage is another "What eere they thinking" CCP moment

Honestly I'm surprised more people aren't using it, the thing is much more deadly than an assault rifle if you use it right and at the proper ranges.

To be fair, it's because your fit seems to be the best suited for the SCR. I had no idea the Amarr Assault could squeeze out 18 shots without over heating. The Amarr Logi suit with the Imperial ScR I use can barely give me 7 quick shots or one charged and three quick shots.

I still think the Assault ScR would be picked over the regular version as FotM though. If your suit can get that much performance out of the regular ScR, overheat must be non-existent on the Assault.

Well also keep in mind the scrambler rifle is heat build up per second, not heat build up per shot (I have no clue why). I fire the standard scrambler rifle on a non-Amarr assault suit and can get 15 off before overheating, so maybe I'm just pulling the trigger faster?

299Shield/277Armor..

You guys have parts of it right, but if you and the enemy has the same gear and run into each other, these are the step by step rules which determines who will win:
1. Skill
2. Whether they use KB/M, DS3, Modded controller
3. If the enemy has a female character
4. Luck

You guys have parts of it right, but if you and the enemy has the same gear and run into each other, these are the step by step rules which determines who will win:
1. Skill
2. Whether they use KB/M, DS3, Modded controller
3. If the enemy has a female character
4. Luck

Well, i tried it for myself.
I spec'd into the STD SCR and brought it into a game.

That charge shot is very VERY powerful. I killed a guy in one hit with it, and did a number on a Heavy in no time.

Is it OP? I think it is. I had the lowest type, and did more than decent my first time using it. It doesn't have that big of a skill gap in my opinion.

CCP confirmed the male and female hitboxes are identical.

http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc

And yes, I am THAT guy...

To be fair, it's because your fit seems to be the best suited for the SCR. I had no idea the Amarr Assault could squeeze out 18 shots without over heating. The Amarr Logi suit with the Imperial ScR I use can barely give me 7 quick shots or one charged and three quick shots.

I still think the Assault ScR would be picked over the regular version as FotM though. If your suit can get that much performance out of the regular ScR, overheat must be non-existent on the Assault.

Well, i tried it for myself.
I spec'd into the STD SCR and brought it into a game.

That charge shot is very VERY powerful. I killed a guy in one hit with it, and did a number on a Heavy in no time.

Is it OP? I think it is. I had the lowest type, and did more than decent my first time using it. It doesn't have that big of a skill gap in my opinion.

It's true. You could OHK a fully tanked heavy, or ruin his day at the very least. Plus it's laser damage, so you can put some hurt on a shield tanker.

This has only been happening with Scrambler Rifles, but I'm getting killed by them in 4 shots or less. I don't know if its headshott multiplier, or what. But nobody else will be firing at me, but Scrambler Rifles are dropping me from full shields and Armor in 1 second.

I'm assuming its some kind of lag, but its only SCRs. I watch my health meter deplete in 2 shots. This is putting the damage done to me at over 150HP per shot.

I know Scramblers are great weapons, but any explanation as to what's causing this? Its happened over 50x now, at all ranges and levels of weapon.

My goodness, more people noticing me. Again, I am humbled

Want me to let you in on a secret? I had a 7 million SP character which I abandoned a few days after May 14th to start on a level playing field with the new guys (and because I wanted True Amarr in my blood!). I have not used a single booster or any aurum; I only have 3.8 million skill points right now. I do not understand the people who say this game is pay to win or you need 10+ million skill points to have fun.

A little nervous now that the scrambler rifle may be the next FotM, but I'm pretty confident that when people use it they will realize it has a very niche role on the battle field. Still, even if it does get a nerf with heat build up, as long as I can fire 3 shots after the charge I'll probably be alright (but seriously it does not need a nerf!!!).

This has only been happening with Scrambler Rifles, but I'm getting killed by them in 4 shots or less. I don't know if its headshott multiplier, or what. But nobody else will be firing at me, but Scrambler Rifles are dropping me from full shields and Armor in 1 second.

I'm assuming its some kind of lag, but its only SCRs. I watch my health meter deplete in 2 shots. This is putting the damage done to me at over 150HP per shot.

I know Scramblers are great weapons, but any explanation as to what's causing this? Its happened over 50x now, at all ranges and levels of weapon.

This has only been happening with Scrambler Rifles, but I'm getting killed by them in 4 shots or less. I don't know if its headshott multiplier, or what. But nobody else will be firing at me, but Scrambler Rifles are dropping me from full shields and Armor in 1 second.

I'm assuming its some kind of lag, but its only SCRs. I watch my health meter deplete in 2 shots. This is putting the damage done to me at over 150HP per shot.

I know Scramblers are great weapons, but any explanation as to what's causing this? Its happened over 50x now, at all ranges and levels of weapon.