DUST Search - SCRs OP much?

8213 wrote:

FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:

8213 wrote:

FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:

8213 wrote:

Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense.

Well you have low shields so it'll vaporize them in 2 shots. The next 2 shots will most likely get through your low armor as well. You need more health if you wanna survive, or take more cover. Scrambler rifles have around 80 damage. Also a TAR will most likely kill you faster.

-XOXO

Still doesn't add up

Most Scrambler Rifle players will shoot a charged shot first, which does an insane amount of damage, and can leave a fit like yours with very little HP. Then 1 or 2 shots to kill you before it overheats. And trust me that thing overheats a lot. It's balanced, get that HP up.

-XOXO

What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots.
If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta.

If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that.

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dr dreams Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:11:00 - [31] - Quote You can shoot with the scr nonstop if you shoot slowly.....very slowly....
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 712	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:14:00 - [32] - Quote It gets me pretty good sometimes too.. even when I'm in my 600 armor suit, a well placed head shot puts a hurting on me. Or atleast I'm assuming it was a headhsot.. only thing I could think of that would put me to half armor when I was full shields. Not a charged shot either, as they continue to shoot. Unless somehow charged shots can be imediatly followed up by quick fire... which if that is true.. wtf
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:14:00 - [33] - Quote dr dreams wrote: You can shoot with the scr nonstop if you shoot slowly.....very slowly.... True, but the faster you shoot, the more shots you can expel. I can get about 23 shots off before overheating (of course my aim goes to **** when I spam the trigger that fast).
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 167	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:18:00 - [34] - Quote The regular SCR has absolutely no potential of being the FotM imo. Even if everyone did switch to it, it's not OP. The only way one can do super well with it is by thinking and rationing out one's shots. The Assault SCR is another story though. It MAY be SLIGHTLY op.
8213 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:23:00 - [35] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: 8213 wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: 8213 wrote: Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense. Well you have low shields so it'll vaporize them in 2 shots. The next 2 shots will most likely get through your low armor as well. You need more health if you wanna survive, or take more cover. Scrambler rifles have around 80 damage. Also a TAR will most likely kill you faster. -XOXO Still doesn't add up Most Scrambler Rifle players will shoot a charged shot first, which does an insane amount of damage, and can leave a fit like yours with very little HP. Then 1 or 2 shots to kill you before it overheats. And trust me that thing overheats a lot. It's balanced, get that HP up. -XOXO What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots. If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta. If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 158	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:29:00 - [36] - Quote 8213 wrote: What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots. If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta. If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that. You got beat. Accept it and stop trying to stir **** up
Cosgar ParagonX 3273	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:30:00 - [37] - Quote 8213 wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: 8213 wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: 8213 wrote: Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense. Well you have low shields so it'll vaporize them in 2 shots. The next 2 shots will most likely get through your low armor as well. You need more health if you wanna survive, or take more cover. Scrambler rifles have around 80 damage. Also a TAR will most likely kill you faster. -XOXO Still doesn't add up Most Scrambler Rifle players will shoot a charged shot first, which does an insane amount of damage, and can leave a fit like yours with very little HP. Then 1 or 2 shots to kill you before it overheats. And trust me that thing overheats a lot. It's balanced, get that HP up. -XOXO What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots. If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta. If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that. Charged shot, follow up shots and lasers eat shields. Might have a head shot mixed in too. You're not the only one this happens too. I barely have 500HP on my ADV Minmatar logi and a SCR will put me down to 50 armor.
8213 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:34:00 - [38] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: 8213 wrote: What do you mean get my HP up? That's in a medium suit. 576HP is plenty in this game for a medium. I have a proto suit that has 800+HP, that's getting into HMG levels. The math still doesn't make sense; SCRs cant kill drain 576HP in less than 4 shots. If they can, there is no point to using any other weapon in this game. Just like the Vizium was during the Beta. If it can kill just about anyone in 4 "bullets" its NOT balanced in the slightest, especially if it doesn't have any counterparts except a decked out Proto Sentinel. Suit I honestly think its some kind of glitch, because no possibility of the scrambler rifle can cause 144-278HP damage per shot. Not even miniguns on any HAV can do that. You got beat. Accept it and stop trying to stir **** up I don't mind getting beat, as long as the playing field is fair-ish.
Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC 15	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:37:00 - [39] - Quote Charge shot, shot shot shot dead. Don't call OP if you don't know how to strafe. You come rushing at me B lining you're gunna lose that proto suit faster than you earned it.
8213 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:38:00 - [40] - Quote Charged shot, follow up shots and lasers eat shields. Might have a head shot mixed in too. You're not the only one this happens too. I barely have 500HP on my ADV Minmatar logi and a SCR will put me down to 50 armor. [/quote] So how the hell can it kill me when I start with full shields AND armor? The Assault Rifle is supposed to be the couterpart to SCRs. After I drain shields, it usually only take 1-3 AR shots to kill a clone. But I can't drain all shields and kill the clone with just 4 shots. I expect an SCR to rip through my shields, like an AR rips through armor. Bot how can it rip through both equally? That's not what the gun was intended to be.

Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC 16	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:47:00 - [41] - Quote Srsly are we just going down the list of weapons we have and trying to get them nerfed? Is the only weapon acceptable SMGs?
Cosgar ParagonX 3274	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:48:00 - [42] - Quote Raz Warsaw wrote: Srsly are we just going down the list of weapons we have and trying to get them nerfed? Is the only weapon acceptable SMGs? Shhhhhh
8213 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:49:00 - [43] - Quote http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc And yes, I am THAT guy...
Cosgar ParagonX 3274	Posted - 2013.07.27 19:59:00 - [44] - Quote 8213 wrote: http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc And yes, I am THAT guy... You're kidding, please tell me you're kidding. No? Why aren't you kidding?
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 283	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:03:00 - [45] - Quote Cosgar wrote: 8213 wrote: http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc And yes, I am THAT guy... You're kidding, please tell me you're kidding. No? Why aren't you kidding? nope hes dead serious i have a forum post that he joins into and let me just say his mouth is full of bs
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 358	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:06:00 - [46] - Quote 8213 wrote: http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc And yes, I am THAT guy... Lmao you don't have the hp to survive anything..everything melts your suit and you do run ar we were right
Zekain Kade TeamPlayers EoN. 1339	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:07:00 - [47] - Quote Everyone ignore the op, he's from "shining flame"
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 358	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:10:00 - [48] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Everyone ignore the op, he's from "shining flame" What's shining flame? A corp I know that much never heard of them
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 830	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:15:00 - [49] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Post your dropsuit fitting first. Scrambler Rifles can't kill that much since the 80% damage to armor is crap. They're kill assists magnets. -XOXO Assist magnets? Yeah right, I'm getting anywhere from 10 to 20 kills a round with the scrambler rifle (and scrambler pistol). I'm not sure about the math and numbers, but I use the advanced scrambler rifle with proficiency 2 and 2 enhanced damage modifiers. Nearly all enemies drop in one charge shot to the head. Some enemies drop in one change shot to the body. Most enemies survive one charge shot to the body than die in my follow up quick shot. Some enemies will require a couple follow up quick shots. Very very rarely does an enemy survive by the time I overheat, except I know when that is and avoid it and quick switch to the scrambler pistol and finish them off. It results in pretty much every encounter ending in under a second, but it does take a good bit of aiming and heat management.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 830	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:15:00 - [50] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Everyone ignore the op, he's from "shining flame" What's shining flame? A corp I know that much never heard of them In the off chance you are serious, Shining Flame is an NPC corp.

Cosgar ParagonX 3277	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:19:00 - [51] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: 8213 wrote: http://youtu.be/aJT-n4RD7zc And yes, I am THAT guy... Lmao you don't have the hp to survive anything..everything melts your suit and you do run ar we were right Pretty sure that's no him. If it is, he's got nothing to be proud of. That's the guy that had a feud going with DS 10 arguing over CoD vs Dust 514. Many profanity laced rants for all... good times.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 716	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:26:00 - [52] - Quote just exactly how many shots can be fired directly after a charge shot? I did not know this was possible ( I am probably speccing them right now ... not really ). As I said earlier , I have had my shields depleted and left with about 1/3 of armor and then followed up by repeated quick shots finishing me before I usually have time to react. I have not really thought much about it, because currently I do not get killed by them often.. but times can change
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 831	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:29:00 - [53] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: just exactly how many shots can be fired directly after a charge shot? I did not know this was possible ( I am probably speccing them right now ... not really ). As I said earlier , I have had my shields depleted and left with about 1/3 of armor and then followed up by repeated quick shots finishing me before I usually have time to react. I have not really thought much about it, because currently I do not get killed by them often.. but times can change I'll have to test it, but currently I fire 3 quick shots every time out of habit after my charge shot and don't over heat (though I use the Amarr assault suit). I'm fairly certain a 4th shot would do it.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 1013	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:32:00 - [54] - Quote Less QQ, more strafe. Problem solved.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 717	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:32:00 - [55] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: just exactly how many shots can be fired directly after a charge shot? I did not know this was possible ( I am probably speccing them right now ... not really ). As I said earlier , I have had my shields depleted and left with about 1/3 of armor and then followed up by repeated quick shots finishing me before I usually have time to react. I have not really thought much about it, because currently I do not get killed by them often.. but times can change I'll have to test it, but currently I fire 3 quick shots every time out of habit after my charge shot and don't over heat (though I use the Amarr assault suit). I'm fairly certain a 4th shot would do it. Ahh thanks oh yeh and, you sir are frikin deadly with that thing.. just realized it was YOU that did this to me lmao. Got me 3 times in a match that way, I almost got you back eventually but some blue came in and took the killshot :\ and no i'm not trying to say it was OP , I have tried the gun once and it was not for me. I am not very good with quick accurate taps
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 831	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:35:00 - [56] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: just exactly how many shots can be fired directly after a charge shot? I did not know this was possible ( I am probably speccing them right now ... not really ). As I said earlier , I have had my shields depleted and left with about 1/3 of armor and then followed up by repeated quick shots finishing me before I usually have time to react. I have not really thought much about it, because currently I do not get killed by them often.. but times can change I'll have to test it, but currently I fire 3 quick shots every time out of habit after my charge shot and don't over heat (though I use the Amarr assault suit). I'm fairly certain a 4th shot would do it. Ahh thanks oh yeh and, you sir are frikin deadly with that thing.. just realized it was YOU that did this to me lmao. Got me 3 times in a match that way, I almost got you back eventually but some blue came in and took the killshot :\ and no i'm not trying to say it was OP , I have tried the gun once and it was not for me. I am not very good with quick accurate taps I am humbled that someone actually remembered me from a match
Acezero 44 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 114	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:40:00 - [57] - Quote 8213 wrote: Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense. A charged shot is around 190-250ish for a body shot, standard rife no mods no prof. Im betting a scrambler rifle backed by skill and dmg mods could do 700+ dmg headshots. just guessing...
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 832	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:44:00 - [58] - Quote Just to further bring up a point, I know you said you aren't saying they are OP, but if it makes you feel any better these things are terrible up close. Pretty easy to manage when defending, but when I'm assaulting a base I have to be very careful to manage the distance of my engagements (and actually I more often simply switch to my pistol). Too close and the charge shot is no good since missing would make you SOL with no room to retreat and the hip fire is very inaccurate. Very good at its sweet spot, very bad outside of it. Your best bet if you are trying to take someone done with is (or at least me anyways) is to charge and get up in my face.
dr dreams Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:54:00 - [59] - Quote I can't believe I'm reading QQ right now. SCR guys are squishy. Get close in on us with an AR and we drop. Damage mods are the way to go - either that or an SMG as a side to finish them off since the SCR doesn't eat through armor unlike these guys who probably can't strafe correctly. You have to be a good shot to use the weapon properly. Otherwise, you'll suck with it. Scrambler pistol users usually use SCR as well. Aero Yassavi wrote: Just to further bring up a point, I know you said you aren't saying they are OP, but if it makes you feel any better these things are terrible up close. Pretty easy to manage when defending, but when I'm assaulting a base I have to be very careful to manage the distance of my engagements (and actually I more often simply switch to my pistol). Too close and the charge shot is no good since missing would make you SOL with no room to retreat and the hip fire is very inaccurate. Very good at its sweet spot, very bad outside of it. Your best bet if you are trying to take someone done with is (or at least me anyways) is to charge and get up in my face. This
Cosgar ParagonX 3283	Posted - 2013.07.27 21:00:00 - [60] - Quote Acezero 44 wrote: 8213 wrote: Most of my HP is 50/50. 299Shield/277Armor. I have been doing that since Uprising to combat the Scrambler Rifle. I don't know how a weapon can be that blatantly powerful to its counterparts. I expect it to cut my shield down, but to take me from full health to dead in 4 shots, sometimes only 2 isn't making sense. A charged shot is around 190-250ish for a body shot, standard rife no mods no prof. Im betting a scrambler rifle backed by skill and dmg mods could do 700+ dmg headshots. just guessing... Seems about right. I'm curious to see how head shot damage is calculated. Not like we'll ever see the hard numbers.



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