Well, yea its unreasonable to give them a respec.

The gun will still be viable after the nerf, just not OP.

-Crowd: A witch! A witch! A witch! We found a witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! We have found a witch. May we burn her?
- How do you know she is a witch
- She looks like one.
- Bring her forward.
- I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch!
- But you are dressed as one.
- They dressed me like this. - No, we didn't.
- And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
- Well? - We did do the nose.
- The nose? - And the hat. But she is a witch !
- Did you dress her up like this? - No, no!
- Yes. A bit.
- She has got a wart.
- What makes you think she's a witch?
- She turned me into a newt!
- A newt?
- I got better.
- Burn her anyway!
- Quiet! Quiet!
- There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
- Are there? What are they? Tell us. - Do they hurt?
- Tell me, what do you do with witches?
- Burn them!
- And what do you burn, apart from witches?
- More witches! - Wood!
- So why do witches burn?
- 'Cause they're made of wood? - Good!
- How do we tell if she is made of wood? - Build a bridge out of her.
- But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
- Oh, yeah.
- Does wood sink in water?
- No, it floats. - Throw her into the pond!
- What also floats in water?
- Bread. - Apples.
- Very small rocks. - Cider! Great gravy.
- Cherries. Mud. - Churches.
- Lead. - A duck!
- Exactly.
- So, logically--
- If she weighs the same as a duck...
- she's made of wood.
- And therefore?
- A witch!
- A duck! A duck! - Here's a duck.
- We shaIl use my largest scales.
- Burn the witch !
- Remove the supports!
- A witch!
- It's a fair cop.
- Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
- I am Arthur, king of the Britons.

How do you know that?

Remember the laser? How has that worked out?

Well, yea its unreasonable to give them a respec.

The gun will still be viable after the nerf, just not OP.

DON'T LISTEN TO THE ABUSER!!

BURN THE ABUSERS!!!!

BURN THEM!!!!!!!

HOOC'S AN ABUSER, HE KILLED ME WITH A FLAYLOCK!!!!1!!11!!!eleven!!

Seriously though, they've made their bed, they should be forced to lie in it.

After all, it isn't like there is a Hard SP Cap where they will not be able to buy EVERYTHING eventually.

Look at these "mistakes" as "added value".

How do you know that?

Remember the laser? How has that worked out?

Councilman Iron wolf is saying they will quit....and that this is a good thing.

Also it was CCP who made this bed not the players.

Note: killing you with a flaylock would be a pretty neat trick as i have never used one.

Councilman Iron wolf is saying they will quit....and that this is a good thing.

Also it was CCP who made this bed not the players.

Note: killing you with a flaylock would be a pretty neat trick as i have never used one.

1 problem with your argument - You claim most people specced into them not knowing, but in fact it was mostly the opposite, especially with the flaylock. A lot of people specced into them b/c they knew they were OP.

Eon and LoI war...

These are the people that "knew". Hell half of em were part of the whole damn TAC min maxing from a few months ago.

Yet they voluntarily gave it up.

Obviously they did not know how bad it was until they saw how bad it was.

Also again you are still on your witchhunt.

Some people "knew" some did not....who the **** cares. Is this about balancing the game or about hunting down and punishing the wicked?

This is not about them.
CCP said, no more respecs bar something catastrophic, a bunch of whiners on a forum is not catastrophic.

A number of people specced those things without realising the advantages they had, but a significant amount of people, a considerable majority specced into them specifically after finding out how OP they are.

CCP did not say that exactly but lets say they did.

Judging from CCP's past history with DUST for them to say "only when something catastrophic" is like a another company saying "only when it rains"

They obviously did not know "how OP" it was...if they did then there would be no reason to voluntarily give them up.

I should also point out there are very few who are disagreeing with the nerfs....and this on friggin the dust forums where everyone complains about everything...and this is without them actually seeing how bad the nerfs will be from a CCP who has a terrible track record with these things.

Your attempt to make these players into villains is a logical failure.

Give it up.

Cool your head.

Stop the witchhunt.

Everyone agrees with balancing....fine lets balance the game. Punishing players arbitrarily is not about balancing the game.

What about the people who went cal logi/flaylock after the respec?

I know guys who used the flaylock as soon as it hit, same with the caldari logi.

Most of these people are either Minmatar and couldn't wait to get weapons for their suits that matched their chosen race, or Caldari players who played logi last build.

I have never seen my minmatar friend in a caldari suit of any kind, and the caldari guys never use flaylocks.

Edit:so cal logi/flaylock users knew what they were doing, they also knew they would get the suit and weapon nerfed by doing so.

It's not an attempt to make them into villains, there's a segment of those who specced into those things because that was their choice of race, there were those who wanted to spec cal logi because they like caldari tech, they benefitted from an unexpectedly OP set of gear. I can't hate those people, it's just how things turned out. However a significant part of the player base, saw how OP they were, and purposefully set out to spec those things to take advantage of the OP'ness, do you have any other reason for why 90% of the top corps were running those things in PC and pub matches?

Yes this is an attempt to make villains out of them. Why do you keep mentioning "they knew"? You want to dehumanize them so you won't feel bad about them being screwed over. Either this is about balancing the game or it isn't. Weather they knew or did not know should have no bearing on balance.

Jesus how many ways do i have to write this before it can seep into your thick skull.

Furthermore if you did not think this balancing was screwing them over then why do you need to desperately clutch to the claims that "they knew"? Why do you need that crutch to rationalize not giving them a respec?