Eon and LoI war...

These are the people that "knew". Hell half of em were part of the whole damn TAC min maxing from a few months ago.

Yet they voluntarily gave it up.

Obviously they did not know how bad it was until they saw how bad it was.

Also again you are still on your witchhunt.

Some people "knew" some did not....who the **** cares. Is this about balancing the game or about hunting down and punishing the wicked?

Yes this is an attempt to make villains out of them. Why do you keep mentioning "they knew"? You want to dehumanize them so you won't feel bad about them being screwed over. Either this is about balancing the game or it isn't. Weather they knew or did not know should have no bearing on balance.

Jesus how many ways do i have to write this before it can seep into your thick skull.

Furthermore if you did not think this balancing was screwing them over then why do you need to desperately clutch to the claims that "they knew"? Why do you need that crutch to rationalize not giving them a respec?

"Them knowing" is off the table. Quit restating it like it is an argument. This is not rocket science. CCP is attempting to balance the game. They are not out to punish legitimate players who you do not like. Perhaps you want that but it is not a serious argument on how a game should be designed.

You guys keep bringing this argument up so i assume it is the reason why you oppose the repec. Now that your argument is off the table you should clearly see that a respec is justified. Games cannot be designed because you are pissed at some player who speced a certain way....If they did not **** you off then you should clearly see how they are being screwed. Otherwise why even bring up the argument.

You need to clear your head...quit being angry and out for revenge and start supporting a respec because people are being unjustly screwed over.

You just changed your argument....in a matter of a few min.

Before you wanted no respec to punish them now you want to "preserve decisions.

You moved the goal post.

You just lost the argument.

Probably not....but damn it i am here to win not change minds =)

One thing a guy above us mentioned is New Edan has always been Min/Max heavy....

I did not go into it but it really does make this villianizatrion of these players even more absurd.

Why are these Min/max villains so very different then other min/max players? Why are they so very special that they need to pushed from the game?

Weirdness.

-¬OP Trying to twell most of the dust players this is a waste. Alot of them spec Ar so when one Ar gets nerfed they can move on to the other. When a niche weapon gets nerfed its done and the person who spec into it is screwed. So dont waste your time this Ar514 anyway.

Because those decisions were based on facts at a given time and a given version of the game that can and will change with each update. CCP has proven there is no permanence to those facts and will change them arbitrarily. And yes i mean arbitrary. Just look at the over kill on the laser nerf.

You want players to keep with their decisions when CCP will change the very laws of the universe of the game with each update.

You are trying to preserve a phantom that never existed, will never exist and cannot exist.

There are ways to establish permanence in an MMO world....trying to do it with "no respecs ever ever ever" when the world is always changing is doing it azz backwards and guaranteed to fail.

Correct that's why alot dust players don't understand tac got nerfed they went to gek. Niche players laser for example got screwed and needed a respec. Now its a logi and niche up to bat and they cant move on.People who spec into them for fun got screwed by fotm players and The Ar Cry board.

FYI by constantly changing the game CCP is cowtowing to min/maxing. not he other way around.

You honestly think the "they knew" min/max crowd don't also know about the multiple accounts on PSN loophole?

"No respec ever ever ever" will always harm the "don't know" crowd more then the min/maxers.

Note: it is amusing that I thought you were one who saw the hypocrisy but it just turns out you are a hypocrite.

Player PvP in Eve is a minimal affair. That game for all intents and purposes is a co-op PvE exploration gathering game with safe zones. Farmville in space.

"No repec ever ever" is not an issue when mining asteroids and shooting at AI.

That is not true. So long as there are imbalances the well informed Min/Max crowed will always be better off with arbitrary changes that are hidden and hard to adjust to....that is the nature of being a Min/maxer.