Got my friend into Dust, while he technically started his character before chromosome or during (somewhere around there, it was before they created the academy because I was able to play ambush from the get go), he didn't play and had about 6.5k in sp point (all gains were passive gains) and he wanted an Assault character with an assault rifle. I told him about the other assault rifle like weapons and had enough to put a point each into AR LR and ScrR, I then played a few ambush matches for him to show him how they played out / how they worked.

As a heads up, I am a dedicated scout (5.5 million) on my toon and still plan on staying scout because I always play light classes in games but playing those pub ambush games as an AR Medium Assault to demonstrate for my friend was literally the easiest game play I ever had. I was able to run the free fits and easily go positive with 2x or 3x multipliers most of the time, vehicle dominated matches were harder to dodge and avoid compared to my scout, and those matches I went below 1.0 ratio. I'd say my over all gameplay had a 2x or 3x multiplier 60-70% of the time and below 1x about 30-40% of the time and I played about 40 games.

Two things hit me

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.

2) I don't see proto stomping, more of a skill issue

Mind you having not played a lower level toon before, I warmed my friend about proto stomping for the purpose as to not be discouraged if he did die a lot, so he would continue playing despite expecting him to die a lot (I need more of my friends playing this). He eventually decided on the ScrR and had had positive ratios (above 1.0) 55-65% of the time). With map knowledge, I'd image he would do a lot better (though I was giving him map advice). Overall, my thoughts on proto stomping have change dramatically with this experience.


Anyways, I don't intend for any offense, so I'll prematurely apologize if I have caused any, but I am curious on your thoughts on my experience on both aspects, whether it was valid or if there was something that I am missing which would obscure my judgement on either of these aspects?

Thank you for your time

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.



Thank you for your time

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Got my friend into Dust, while he technically started his character before chromosome or during (somewhere around there, it was before they created the academy because I was able to play ambush from the get go), he didn't play and had about 6.5k in sp point (all gains were passive gains) and he wanted an Assault character with an assault rifle. I told him about the other assault rifle like weapons and had enough to put a point each into AR LR and ScrR, I then played a few ambush matches for him to show him how they played out / how they worked.

As a heads up, I am a dedicated scout (5.5 million) on my toon and still plan on staying scout because I always play light classes in games but playing those pub ambush games as an AR Medium Assault to demonstrate for my friend was literally the easiest game play I ever had. I was able to run the free fits and easily go positive with 2x or 3x multipliers most of the time, vehicle dominated matches were harder to dodge and avoid compared to my scout, and those matches I went below 1.0 ratio. I'd say my over all gameplay had a 2x or 3x multiplier 60-70% of the time and below 1x about 30-40% of the time and I played about 40 games.

Two things hit me

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.

2) I don't see proto stomping, more of a skill issue

Mind you having not played a lower level toon before, I warmed my friend about proto stomping for the purpose as to not be discouraged if he did die a lot, so he would continue playing despite expecting him to die a lot (I need more of my friends playing this). He eventually decided on the ScrR and had had positive ratios (above 1.0) 55-65% of the time). With map knowledge, I'd image he would do a lot better (though I was giving him map advice). Overall, my thoughts on proto stomping have change dramatically with this experience.


Anyways, I don't intend for any offense, so I'll prematurely apologize if I have caused any, but I am curious on your thoughts on my experience on both aspects, whether it was valid or if there was something that I am missing which would obscure my judgement on either of these aspects?

Thank you for your time

Got my friend into Dust, while he technically started his character before chromosome or during (somewhere around there, it was before they created the academy because I was able to play ambush from the get go), he didn't play and had about 6.5k in sp point (all gains were passive gains) and he wanted an Assault character with an assault rifle. I told him about the other assault rifle like weapons and had enough to put a point each into AR LR and ScrR, I then played a few ambush matches for him to show him how they played out / how they worked.

As a heads up, I am a dedicated scout (5.5 million) on my toon and still plan on staying scout because I always play light classes in games but playing those pub ambush games as an AR Medium Assault to demonstrate for my friend was literally the easiest game play I ever had. I was able to run the free fits and easily go positive with 2x or 3x multipliers most of the time, vehicle dominated matches were harder to dodge and avoid compared to my scout, and those matches I went below 1.0 ratio. I'd say my over all gameplay had a 2x or 3x multiplier 60-70% of the time and below 1x about 30-40% of the time and I played about 40 games.

Two things hit me

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.

2) I don't see proto stomping, more of a skill issue

Mind you having not played a lower level toon before, I warmed my friend about proto stomping for the purpose as to not be discouraged if he did die a lot, so he would continue playing despite expecting him to die a lot (I need more of my friends playing this). He eventually decided on the ScrR and had had positive ratios (above 1.0) 55-65% of the time). With map knowledge, I'd image he would do a lot better (though I was giving him map advice). Overall, my thoughts on proto stomping have change dramatically with this experience.


Anyways, I don't intend for any offense, so I'll prematurely apologize if I have caused any, but I am curious on your thoughts on my experience on both aspects, whether it was valid or if there was something that I am missing which would obscure my judgement on either of these aspects?

Thank you for your time

When I explained the role of an assault was to constantly flanks using its EHP+speed to survive and constantly retreat & flank, a few guys said "when did assaults become glorified scouts?"
That was when I realised that the majority of the people on these forums, and dust players in general are overall bad players. They simply can't comprehend mathematics and tactics, the blood of dust, and they spout their opinions for the game to cater to them.
These are guys that think assaults should have more EHP than logis, these are the guys that think the MD is OP.
These are the guys CCP listens to.
And the players and CCP just f*** themselves over....over and over. Because the game they create with their douchey opinions isn't fun, even to themselves.

majority of qqers and whiners fail to see that the problem lies within themselves.....

Situational awareness and actually placing yourself in a better position can get u a positive ratio even with milita gear.

To be fair, if flanking is the assault primary task, what is the scouts frontline job? Or is there no frontline role for scouts aside from shotgunning/knifing the stragglers and unaware? Should they just be stealth platforms?
Also what is your reasoning on the logi and assault EHP position?
And while I'm not going to say the MD is op, I'll gladly point out that I've gotten consistently higher KDR's with that weapon than any other I've tried.

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.

To be fair, if flanking is the assault primary task, what is the scouts frontline job? Or is there no frontline role for scouts aside from shotgunning/knifing the stragglers and unaware? Should they just be stealth platforms?
Also what is your reasoning on the logi and assault EHP position?
And while I'm not going to say the MD is op, I'll gladly point out that I've gotten consistently higher KDR's with that weapon than any other I've tried.

I always gathered that Scouts' jobs are: sniping, stealth/infiltration [going behind enemy lines], and electronic warfare [which isn't in the game yet].

While I wouldn't say that the absolute role of an Assault is to flank and use hit-and-run tactics, these should be tactics utilised by everyone, not just scouts.

I won't disagree about flanking being a necessary task, but the primary task of Assaults seems a bit of a stretch since holding a line of defense or offense isn't a logi or scouts job and even from a direct fire perspective heavies are to slow to respond to flanking or repositioning to do it alone.

Got my friend into Dust, while he technically started his character before chromosome or during (somewhere around there, it was before they created the academy because I was able to play ambush from the get go), he didn't play and had about 6.5k in sp point (all gains were passive gains) and he wanted an Assault character with an assault rifle. I told him about the other assault rifle like weapons and had enough to put a point each into AR LR and ScrR, I then played a few ambush matches for him to show him how they played out / how they worked.

As a heads up, I am a dedicated scout (5.5 million) on my toon and still plan on staying scout because I always play light classes in games but playing those pub ambush games as an AR Medium Assault to demonstrate for my friend was literally the easiest game play I ever had. I was able to run the free fits and easily go positive with 2x or 3x multipliers most of the time, vehicle dominated matches were harder to dodge and avoid compared to my scout, and those matches I went below 1.0 ratio. I'd say my over all gameplay had a 2x or 3x multiplier 60-70% of the time and below 1x about 30-40% of the time and I played about 40 games.

Two things hit me

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again. Having the range and general level of attack a standard AR provides really negated almost all of the challenges that I have experienced or seen from mass drivers, forge gunners, etc.

2) I don't see proto stomping, more of a skill issue

Mind you having not played a lower level toon before, I warmed my friend about proto stomping for the purpose as to not be discouraged if he did die a lot, so he would continue playing despite expecting him to die a lot (I need more of my friends playing this). He eventually decided on the ScrR and had had positive ratios (above 1.0) 55-65% of the time). With map knowledge, I'd image he would do a lot better (though I was giving him map advice). Overall, my thoughts on proto stomping have change dramatically with this experience.


Anyways, I don't intend for any offense, so I'll prematurely apologize if I have caused any, but I am curious on your thoughts on my experience on both aspects, whether it was valid or if there was something that I am missing which would obscure my judgement on either of these aspects?

Thank you for your time

Shhh. Don't tell them how to flank, you bastard! How am I to make a living?

Got my friend into Dust, while he technically started his character before chromosome or during (somewhere around there, it was before they created the academy because I was able to play ambush from the get go), he didn't play and had about 6.5k in sp point (all gains were passive gains) and he wanted an Assault character with an assault rifle. I told him about the other assault rifle like weapons and had enough to put a point each into AR LR and ScrR, I then played a few ambush matches for him to show him how they played out / how they worked.

As a heads up, I am a dedicated scout (5.5 million) on my toon and still plan on staying scout because I always play light classes in games but playing those pub ambush games as an AR Medium Assault to demonstrate for my friend was literally the easiest game play I ever had. I was able to run the free fits and easily go positive with 2x or 3x multipliers most of the time, vehicle dominated matches were harder to dodge and avoid compared to my scout, and those matches I went below 1.0 ratio. I'd say my over all gameplay had a 2x or 3x multiplier 60-70% of the time and below 1x about 30-40% of the time and I played about 40 games.

Two things hit me

1) Most Assault players are not the most intelligent players

Most charge in and place themselves in the worst situations, with the only concern in getting into the action the fastest. It is rare for them to ever flank, they are not very good at positioning and retreat once they gone way to far. I've also noticed that they will shoot way too prematurely giving up any surprise advantage. They will also keep on attempting the same failed method/route over and over again.

So many times I've placed myself in a defensive position overlooking the most sensible routes for the enemy to flank our side only to be left twiddling my thumbs for 5 minutes.

Then I just say screw it and add my gun to the firing line the entire enemy force is quite content to continually throw themselves against.

i posted a long in depth reply but it fu**ed me over & deleted it so.
TL;DR
heavies: most effective frontliners, least effective flankers. Highest HP, lowest mobility.
Logis: effective frontliners, not very effective flankers. High EHP, low mobility.
Assaults: decent frontliners, very effective flankers. Good EHP, High mobility.
Scouts: Least effective frontliners, most effective flankers. Least EHP, Most mobility.

Unfortunately scouts are broken, they cant do their job because the HP to mobility tradeoff is too great so they cant survive to do their job.

An Assaults defining trait is its mobility+ehp, those who don't use it are missing its whole point.
If you wanna just charge the frontline all the time, be a heavy.

Charging in a low mobility suit doesn't seem smart, coming from someone who's tried it. Also, I was under the impression logi's weren't supposed to be frontliners. Apparently I'm the minority in this?

HP and mobility is only part of a frontliner. the lack of a sidearm effects CQC putting logis lower on the rung for frontliners
the low mobility make heavies less effective as frontliners and frontliners need that speed to get places so while effective not the most effective.
scouts just don't have HP to stand toe to toe making them bad for frontliners.
assault make the best frontliners.
logi are decent and able to support assaults on the frontline.
heavies make great defenders while making ok frontline in a pinch.
scouts are flankers.