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Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:36:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:When I explained the role of an assault was to constantly flanks using its EHP+speed to survive and constantly retreat & flank, a few guys said "when did assaults become glorified scouts?"
That was when I realised that the majority of the people on these forums, and dust players in general are overall bad players. They simply can't comprehend mathematics and tactics, the blood of dust, and they spout their opinions for the game to cater to them.
These are guys that think assaults should have more EHP than logis, these are the guys that think the MD is OP.
These are the guys CCP listens to.
And the players and CCP just f*** themselves over....over and over. Because the game they create with their douchey opinions isn't fun, even to themselves.
To be fair, if flanking is the assault primary task, what is the scouts frontline job? Or is there no frontline role for scouts aside from shotgunning/knifing the stragglers and unaware? Should they just be stealth platforms?
Also what is your reasoning on the logi and assault EHP position?
And while I'm not going to say the MD is op, I'll gladly point out that I've gotten consistently higher KDR's with that weapon than any other I've tried. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:55:00 -
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CAELAN Andoril wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:When I explained the role of an assault was to constantly flanks using its EHP+speed to survive and constantly retreat & flank, a few guys said "when did assaults become glorified scouts?"
That was when I realised that the majority of the people on these forums, and dust players in general are overall bad players. They simply can't comprehend mathematics and tactics, the blood of dust, and they spout their opinions for the game to cater to them.
These are guys that think assaults should have more EHP than logis, these are the guys that think the MD is OP.
These are the guys CCP listens to.
And the players and CCP just f*** themselves over....over and over. Because the game they create with their douchey opinions isn't fun, even to themselves. To be fair, if flanking is the assault primary task, what is the scouts frontline job? Or is there no frontline role for scouts aside from shotgunning/knifing the stragglers and unaware? Should they just be stealth platforms? Also what is your reasoning on the logi and assault EHP position? And while I'm not going to say the MD is op, I'll gladly point out that I've gotten consistently higher KDR's with that weapon than any other I've tried. I always gathered that Scouts' jobs are: sniping, stealth/infiltration [going behind enemy lines], and electronic warfare [which isn't in the game yet]. While I wouldn't say that the absolute role of an Assault is to flank and use hit-and-run tactics, these should be tactics utilised by everyone, not just scouts.
I won't disagree about flanking being a necessary task, but the primary task of Assaults seems a bit of a stretch since holding a line of defense or offense isn't a logi or scouts job and even from a direct fire perspective heavies are to slow to respond to flanking or repositioning to do it alone. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
144
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:41:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:i posted a long in depth reply but it fu**ed me over & deleted it so.
TL;DR
heavies: most effective frontliners, least effective flankers. Highest HP, lowest mobility.
Logis: effective frontliners, not very effective flankers. High EHP, low mobility.
Assaults: decent frontliners, very effective flankers. Good EHP, High mobility.
Scouts: Least effective frontliners, most effective flankers. Least EHP, Most mobility.
Unfortunately scouts are broken, they cant do their job because the HP to mobility tradeoff is too great so they cant survive to do their job.
An Assaults defining trait is its mobility+ehp, those who don't use it are missing its whole point.
If you wanna just charge the frontline all the time, be a heavy.
Charging in a low mobility suit doesn't seem smart, coming from someone who's tried it. Also, I was under the impression logi's weren't supposed to be frontliners. Apparently I'm the minority in this? |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
144
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:11:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:i posted a long in depth reply but it fu**ed me over & deleted it so.
TL;DR
heavies: most effective frontliners, least effective flankers. Highest HP, lowest mobility.
Logis: effective frontliners, not very effective flankers. High EHP, low mobility.
Assaults: decent frontliners, very effective flankers. Good EHP, High mobility.
Scouts: Least effective frontliners, most effective flankers. Least EHP, Most mobility.
Unfortunately scouts are broken, they cant do their job because the HP to mobility tradeoff is too great so they cant survive to do their job.
An Assaults defining trait is its mobility+ehp, those who don't use it are missing its whole point.
If you wanna just charge the frontline all the time, be a heavy. Charging in a low mobility suit doesn't seem smart, coming from someone who's tried it. Also, I was under the impression logi's weren't supposed to be frontliners. Apparently I'm the minority in this? HP and mobility is only part of a frontliner. the lack of a sidearm effects CQC putting logis lower on the rung for frontliners the low mobility make heavies less effective as frontliners and frontliners need that speed to get places so while effective not the most effective. scouts just don't have HP to stand toe to toe making them bad for frontliners. assault make the best frontliners. logi are decent and able to support assaults on the frontline. heavies make great defenders while making ok frontline in a pinch. scouts are flankers.
Yet this is the inverse of what THEAMAZING POTHEAD is suggesting regarding the role of the assault. It's also a large inversion of the heavy and logi as perceived in the post quoted. So what is being looked for in a frontliner, and who should have what traits is what I am asking I suppose.
@ THEAMAZING POTHEAD:
Didn't we just see a potential overnerf of the callogi for being too good a frontliner as well? Recall the bonus nerf was to directly affect EHP potential, that same potential being given instead to an assault suit, and that this was the reason for the comparison to assaults, thus questioning your perception of the roles for both as well as the idea of logi's being intended for higher EHP. |
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