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KingBabar wrote:

Guinevere Bravo wrote:

Dude... If you could see that there was going to be a massive difference in HP then ofcoarse the Nerf bat was going to hit you at somepoint.

Take this as a lesson, a harsh one MMOs throw out from time to time.

Plus one thing people DONT realise is that, if this is an 'over nerf' then CCP will re-balance it again in a couple of months, so its going to be bought in line with the rest. You had the smooth patch of running around as a 'God', time for the rough mate.

PS Go winmatar Logi those plates and Catalyzers wont go to waste then. Adapt and move on.

Great.

If it was so obviously obvious that the suit was OP from the start, why did they make it like this in the first place?

CCP makes big mistake - player new to MMOs follow all the advice and think carefully about what he specs into - would have specced into assault if the numbers where what they will be after 1.3 - player gets punished by incompetent developer - players leave game (would have done that anyway tbh) - no one gains anything except for the chest thumping tards going HTFU

-Some players start another almost 3 M skillpoint grind, goes and buy more boosters....

it makes sense from a marketing standpoint up to the point when there is no customer base left.

Wjhy they simply won't give players the chance to respec the skills going into the suit is beyond me. CCP makes a mistake and all Cal Logi players have to suffer from it....

IF this is normal practice in most MMO games I find it hard to believe why they are so popular. Grind and grind some more, rinse and repeat when it gets nerfed. Then some more grinding. The part of this community that means this is how a game should be run can all stay behind in this soon to be very exclusive club. You all suck.

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KingBabar Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 941	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:06:00 - [1] - Quote In a sense, Dust is my first MMO. My introduction to a long lasting and ever changeing environment. As a shooter player I'm used to having the possibility to respec and change my role on a regular basis. This is normally an essential part of any shooter game. Then Dust comes a long and phrases like "make informed choises" and "living with the consequences" comes a long and I think, hm, lets give it a go, I can be pretty smart when I want to. So the game finally "launches" and I get lots and lots of choices regarding what suit and role I'm supposed to play. And seeing that I need about 1.5 month just to spec into another suit, I did not take that decision lighlty. I really wanted to go for th Minmatar assault suit, with its speed being the carrot. I did in the end decide to go for the most combat fitted Logi suit. I ran the numbers, on almost every suit, I made an informed decision about what i wanted to do. 2 moths later the suits stats are changed to the point where its reasonable to believe that I wouldn't have specced into it in the first place. I would have gone with the minmatar assault suit instead. Same goes for the 930 K skillpoints I've used on both a proto kinetic catalysor and proto armor plates. Such a waste. So this is "making informed decisions" and "living with the consequenses"? - Can someone please tell me whats so great about it? I don't get it.
HYENAKILLER X Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:12:00 - [2] - Quote Lol........every single player agrees with you. This was very well put. I cannot wait for a respec....it may not happen.
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 188	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:13:00 - [3] - Quote Nothing. They just say it so that dust will fail by losing its playerbase.
White Mortadela The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 45	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:33:00 - [4] - Quote Ccp cant get it in there heads that this is not EvE . This is not a RPG its a FPS, on a console , for console players its a entirely different sistem, sp earning is also different , the focus group is different , they make it so it mimics eve by its HTFU mentality but not even 10% of eve players play dust. So something has to change.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 691	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:34:00 - [5] - Quote lol good job OP. You just made the primary argument for a respec provision of some sort. I'm in favor of a single monthly respec, a day right after every update. If you miss the respec day and don't get your request in, tough luck, wait for next month's update. Monthly updates are a good thing, but they are going to be volatile with Dust, we should have options to adapt to those changes. Look on the brightside, the faster people are able to hop between all the different FOTMs, the faster the game can get balanced.
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood 267	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:07:00 - [6] - Quote Dude... If you could see that there was going to be a massive difference in HP then ofcoarse the Nerf bat was going to hit you at somepoint. Take this as a lesson, a harsh one MMOs throw out from time to time. Plus one thing people DONT realise is that, if this is an 'over nerf' then CCP will re-balance it again in a couple of months, so its going to be bought in line with the rest. You had the smooth patch of running around as a 'God', time for the rough mate. PS Go winmatar Logi those plates and Catalyzers wont go to waste then. Adapt and move on.
KingBabar Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 948	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:41:00 - [7] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Dude... If you could see that there was going to be a massive difference in HP then ofcoarse the Nerf bat was going to hit you at somepoint. Take this as a lesson, a harsh one MMOs throw out from time to time. Plus one thing people DONT realise is that, if this is an 'over nerf' then CCP will re-balance it again in a couple of months, so its going to be bought in line with the rest. You had the smooth patch of running around as a 'God', time for the rough mate. PS Go winmatar Logi those plates and Catalyzers wont go to waste then. Adapt and move on. Great. If it was so obviously obvious that the suit was OP from the start, why did they make it like this in the first place? CCP makes big mistake - player new to MMOs follow all the advice and think carefully about what he specs into - would have specced into assault if the numbers where what they will be after 1.3 - player gets punished by incompetent developer - players leave game (would have done that anyway tbh) - no one gains anything except for the chest thumping tards going HTFU -Some players start another almost 3 M skillpoint grind, goes and buy more boosters.... it makes sense from a marketing standpoint up to the point when there is no customer base left. Wjhy they simply won't give players the chance to respec the skills going into the suit is beyond me. CCP makes a mistake and all Cal Logi players have to suffer from it.... IF this is normal practice in most MMO games I find it hard to believe why they are so popular. Grind and grind some more, rinse and repeat when it gets nerfed. Then some more grinding. The part of this community that means this is how a game should be run can all stay behind in this soon to be very exclusive club. You all suck.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 30	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:46:00 - [8] - Quote Dust514 is not MMO. Its a FPS set in the universe of a MMO , EVE-ONLINE. That doesnt make Dust514 an MMO. Dust514 is just matches 16vs16. Thats not MASSIVE.
sixteensixty4 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:47:00 - [9] - Quote I dont care whether you guys get re-spec or not but pretty much most people suggested logi suit would get nerfed when upriseing hit as it basiclly has the best of both worlds "assault \ logi" the nerf comes as no supprise, and you been here long enough to know as well as i do, that it was coming hence why i choose assault from the begining
Paladin Sas Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 63	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:50:00 - [10] - Quote i chose caldari assault from the start, not because the numbers said it was the best combat suit, but because i feel like it was the best match for me. i knew i would enjoy the faster paced style provided by shields, and i didnt want to have to fuss with a bunch of equipment. really, it came down to gut feelings, not stats. never been happier in a game

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 728	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:51:00 - [11] - Quote OP still skills into the FOTM suit and then complains about it again Priceless
KingBabar Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 952	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:55:00 - [12] - Quote sixteensixty4 wrote: I dont care whether you guys get re-spec or not but pretty much most people suggested logi suit would get nerfed when upriseing hit as it basiclly has the best of both worlds "assault \ logi" the nerf comes as no supprise, and you been here long enough to know as well as i do, that it was coming hence why i choose assault from the begining I don't see it as my job to predict what may be nerfed in the future and then stay away from speccing into it. I expect a developer to not give out content that is so unbalanced that a major change is needed to rectify it. If they do make these kinds of mistakes I would expect them to compensate the affected players with a partial skill respec.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 216	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:11:00 - [13] - Quote KingBabar wrote: no one gains anything except for the chest thumping tards going HTFU lol, You pretty much summed up the situation as a whole right there. Ah funny imagery with that too.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 886	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:14:00 - [14] - Quote Barbar, you picked a support role, and now you're upset that it isn't the killing machine you wanted it to be. Boo hoo. If you wanted minmatar assault, you should have gone minmatar assault, but no, you chose that CalLogi, like almost everybody else; because it was blatently OP.
sixteensixty4 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:16:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Barbar, you picked a support role, and now you're upset that it isn't the killing machine you wanted it to be. Boo hoo. If you wanted minmatar assault, you should have gone minmatar assault, but no, you chose that CalLogi, like almost everybody else; because it was blatently OP. i cant even be arsed to make a reply so im just going this ^ coz we all know, even barbar, that its the truth
Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 11	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:25:00 - [16] - Quote I thought the big arguement was that gear didn't matter it was all about skill. Duh duh do doooooonnnnnn (que price is right music when u lose) Proto bears crying is perdy music. Again try playing scout
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood 272	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:31:00 - [17] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Dude... If you could see that there was going to be a massive difference in HP then ofcoarse the Nerf bat was going to hit you at somepoint. Take this as a lesson, a harsh one MMOs throw out from time to time. Plus one thing people DONT realise is that, if this is an 'over nerf' then CCP will re-balance it again in a couple of months, so its going to be bought in line with the rest. You had the smooth patch of running around as a 'God', time for the rough mate. PS Go winmatar Logi those plates and Catalyzers wont go to waste then. Adapt and move on. Great. If it was so obviously obvious that the suit was OP from the start, why did they make it like this in the first place? CCP makes big mistake - player new to MMOs follow all the advice and think carefully about what he specs into - would have specced into assault if the numbers where what they will be after 1.3 - player gets punished by incompetent developer - players leave game (would have done that anyway tbh) - no one gains anything except for the chest thumping tards going HTFU -Some players start another almost 3 M skillpoint grind, goes and buy more boosters.... it makes sense from a marketing standpoint up to the point when there is no customer base left. Wjhy they simply won't give players the chance to respec the skills going into the suit is beyond me. CCP makes a mistake and all Cal Logi players have to suffer from it.... IF this is normal practice in most MMO games I find it hard to believe why they are so popular. Grind and grind some more, rinse and repeat when it gets nerfed. Then some more grinding. The part of this community that means this is how a game should be run can all stay behind in this soon to be very exclusive club. You all suck. So your telling me you went and did all of the maths for just one suit?! And when you discovered the 1100HP pool you were sold? I find that hard to believe, because im no hardcore yet i still some basic maths on all of the suits and the Cal was just too good to be true. I can see your new to the MMO game, if you dont know anything about grinding. The Grind is one purpose of bettering ones self. CCP NEVER MADE THE MISTAKE YOU DID. Im not too sure why or who gives the impression its all CCP's fault? At the end of the day they give you the tools, and then the players abuse them. You abuse them too much and get an UN-FAIR advantage then you should be nerfed and bought back in line with the rest of the suits. Simple. A respec means that the next FOTM will then be a problem, which we dont need right now. Another thing is you guys crying Nerf before its even happend!!!! So you actually have no idea how it will play out? You have no idea wether your going to be gimped to infinity or wether its going to be balanced? So why cry RESPEC!!!! You have to weather the storm, you made your choices so deal with it mate. Sorry your not gonna have another 600hp on me anymore.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 889	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:40:00 - [18] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Dude... If you could see that there was going to be a massive difference in HP then ofcoarse the Nerf bat was going to hit you at somepoint. Take this as a lesson, a harsh one MMOs throw out from time to time. Plus one thing people DONT realise is that, if this is an 'over nerf' then CCP will re-balance it again in a couple of months, so its going to be bought in line with the rest. You had the smooth patch of running around as a 'God', time for the rough mate. PS Go winmatar Logi those plates and Catalyzers wont go to waste then. Adapt and move on. Great. If it was so obviously obvious that the suit was OP from the start, why did they make it like this in the first place? CCP makes big mistake - player new to MMOs follow all the advice and think carefully about what he specs into - would have specced into assault if the numbers where what they will be after 1.3 - player gets punished by incompetent developer - players leave game (would have done that anyway tbh) - no one gains anything except for the chest thumping tards going HTFU -Some players start another almost 3 M skillpoint grind, goes and buy more boosters.... it makes sense from a marketing standpoint up to the point when there is no customer base left. Wjhy they simply won't give players the chance to respec the skills going into the suit is beyond me. CCP makes a mistake and all Cal Logi players have to suffer from it.... IF this is normal practice in most MMO games I find it hard to believe why they are so popular. Grind and grind some more, rinse and repeat when it gets nerfed. Then some more grinding. The part of this community that means this is how a game should be run can all stay behind in this soon to be very exclusive club. You all suck. They didn't make that way from the start because a. they're stupid, and b. they use in-game stats to figure out the balance of weapons and items. You say you can't figure out why MMOs are so popular if they change things around from time to time. Are you saying you'd prefer nothing to change? For the OP to stay OP forever, and for the diversity integral to an RPG to be undermined? Good luck with that. I'm also just gonna go and call utter BS on your expectation for the logi not to be nerfed. I played with you all the way back in closed beta. Missile turrets: nerfed Heavies: nerfed Scouts: nerfed Dumbfire Swarms: nerfed Laser rifles: nerfed Tanks: nerfed And yet you thought the CalLogi was going to get by unscathed? Really?
Heavy Andrew Flowers GUNNING HEAVY STYLE 2	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:42:00 - [19] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: I thought the big arguement was that gear didn't matter it was all about skill. Duh duh do doooooonnnnnn (que price is right music when u lose) Proto bears crying is perdy music. Again try playing scout Duh duh do don
DR88VIPER Starrunner Neanderthal Nation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:45:00 - [20] - Quote White Mortadela wrote: Ccp cant get it in there heads that this is not EvE . This is not a RPG its a FPS, on a console , for console players its a entirely different sistem, sp earning is also different , the focus group is different , they make it so it mimics eve by its HTFU mentality but not even 10% of eve players play dust. So something has to change. Maybe the shooter community should have read what dust is all about before starting to play this and bitching and whining all day bout skillpoints and respecs and there gear beeing nerfed (coz they skilled for the fotm ). THIS IS NOT AN ORDINARY FPS and all u cod kiddies and battlefield bitches if u dont like it if its to hard for you all then plz **** off and stop bitching and moaning so ccp wont have to adjust every time what u kiddies want.

xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 270	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:45:00 - [21] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: CCP NEVER MADE THE MISTAKE YOU DID. Im not too sure why or who gives the impression its all CCP's fault? At the end of the day they give you the tools, and then the players abuse them. You abuse them too much and get an UN-FAIR advantage then you should be nerfed and bought back in line with the rest of the suits. Simple. stop apologising for CCP - they did make the mistake. Just like with the core flaylock, mass drivers or whatever else they get massively wrong first time. Players end up paying for their mistakes. these changes will also affect the 95% of the playerbase who never look at the forums and have no reason to think a massive nerf is coming. Why would they CCP officially launched the game. Stop excusing CCP for this mess FYI not a callogi, core flaylock, mass driver user
Brolaire of Asstoria Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:49:00 - [22] - Quote I do genuinely try to feel sorry for guys like Babs there but I really can't... I did the numbers too when Uprising hit and my gut said everything about the Cal-Logi was wrong. I can't believe anyone who picked the suit who's been around long enough thought any different. Anyway the changes haven't even come in yet so how can any of them say how they'll do. The suit isn't broken yet guys...
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 554	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:53:00 - [23] - Quote Just gonna leave this here to lighten the mood King Babar! Anyways, I can understand why CCP is hesitant to hand a respecs or skill refund. 1. What kind of example does it set when people knowly spec in a overly strong suit. Furthermore, does this also mean that people who skilled Flaylock will also get a respec, because it can no longer be used as a primary weapon? 2. It must be like EvE! lololololololol However, CCP needs also understand the following 1. The specialized Suit Grind is extremely long and bland. In my Dust career I have done it about 7 times and each time was a horrible grinding experience. Sitting and not touching your hard earned SP for about 6 weeks is horrible. CCP needs to realize that many would just quit the game then skill into another suit. 2. CCP this monster is your own creation. Firstly, how did the specs of this suit ever reach development let alone the round table. Lastly, how did it get past QA.
Your Absolut End Neanderthal Nation 130	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:53:00 - [24] - Quote It's hard for me to feel sorry for any assault who specced into logis. Choose your favored gamestyle and the fitting suits and weapons by YOUR flavour, not only the numbers. Logis are Logis, Assaults are Assaults. You don't even need math for this. For sure Logis are/were a lil strong in uprising, but nonethheless it's not an assault. I wanted to go assault, I wanted to rock the laser (now scrambler) and skilled for Amarr Assault, because I wanted to be one. New Eden is an everchanging process, you will only lose if you go with the flavor of the month. You better stick to the class you love and adjust from there. Every single assault who skilled logi for it's momentary benefits should have known that a logi is not meant to be an assault. And therefore should have seen they will change something about this. You made the decision to be a logi, so life with it. Hopefully I will now see some Logis put down some ammo and supporting their team.
Brolaire of Asstoria Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:57:00 - [25] - Quote xAckie wrote: [ Players end up paying for their mistakes. Suppresses snigger Players pay for CCPs mistakes!? Are you actually serious?
Vavilia Lysenko Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 192	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:07:00 - [26] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: every single player agrees with you. No they don't.
Your Absolut End Neanderthal Nation 135	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:08:00 - [27] - Quote KingBabar wrote: In a sense, Dust is my first MMO. My introduction to a long lasting and ever changeing environment. KingBabar wrote: I don't see it as my job to predict what may be nerfed in the future and then stay away from speccing into it. I expect a developer to not give out content that is so unbalanced that a major change is needed to rectify it. If they do make these kinds of mistakes I would expect them to compensate the affected players with a partial skill respec. In your first post you clearly stated Dust is ever changing, so why do you expect your stats to be set in stone? tbh. I think you exactly knew that your suit was not in balance, especially after doing the math, but you still skilled into it. Now you try to complain about CCP balancing their mistakes....... CCP is not allmighty, they just can discuss what they think, how the playerbase uses and ABuses the content they will only see once the stuff is out and ready to use. And with the mass of logis you see atm, I don't think those are ALL fully hearted logis. So something must be up with the suit. And fact is the logi suit does everything what the assault suit does but better. So it's not balanced. Call the cops, CCP don't give a **** ;)
sixteensixty4 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:11:00 - [28] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: In your first post you clearly stated Dust is ever changing, so why do you expect your stats to be set in stone? tbh. I think you exactly knew that your suit was not in balance, especially after doing the math, but you still skilled into it. Now you try to complain about CCP balancing their mistakes....... CCP is not allmighty, they just can discuss what they think, how the playerbase uses and ABuses the content they will only see once the stuff is out and ready to use. And with the mass of logis you see atm, I don't think those are ALL fully hearted logis. So something must be up with the suit. And fact is the logi suit does everything what the assault suit does but better. So it's not balanced. Call the cops, CCP don't give a **** ;) meh your post has a quote fail Dust is NOT my first MMO lol
Your Absolut End Neanderthal Nation 135	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:13:00 - [29] - Quote sixteensixty4 wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: In your first post you clearly stated Dust is ever changing, so why do you expect your stats to be set in stone? tbh. I think you exactly knew that your suit was not in balance, especially after doing the math, but you still skilled into it. Now you try to complain about CCP balancing their mistakes....... CCP is not allmighty, they just can discuss what they think, how the playerbase uses and ABuses the content they will only see once the stuff is out and ready to use. And with the mass of logis you see atm, I don't think those are ALL fully hearted logis. So something must be up with the suit. And fact is the logi suit does everything what the assault suit does but better. So it's not balanced. Call the cops, CCP don't give a **** ;) meh your post has a quote fail Dust is NOT my first MMO lol yeah I corrected that :D but anyways thx for the advice
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 970	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:14:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: IF this is normal practice in most MMO games I find it hard to believe why they are so popular. Grind and grind some more, rinse and repeat when it gets nerfed. Then some more grinding. The part of this community that means this is how a game should be run can all stay behind in this soon to be very exclusive club. You all suck. most only use a single triangle of balance. this one has so many that its just insane. most follow TANK>DPS>HEAL>TANK pattern some use the MELEE>RANGE>MAGIC>MELEE. so with that logic av nades shouldn't be able to be equipped on infantry only on AV which would mean to use them you would have to use a SL PC or a FG to get av nades because w/o that it would make scissors have paper ablities = to that of a full paper would have. then there is range triangle based on range for infantry. then the vehicle triangle as well. then the suit triangle on top of the weapon range triangle. and seating on top of all the triangle is ISK/AUR of meta lvl.



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