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lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:58:00 -
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Just an idea:
I'd like to see passive SP accumulation decrease once people don't log in for a certain amount of time. This has a few advantages:
- Regular players get more of reward for playing, say, at least once a week - Players that are AFK for months still get enough SP to play with once they decide to log in - It's good for CCP, as it gives players an incentive to come back and log in and/or play more often - More people playing regularly, and less dropping out, will increase the player base and provide more reason for CCP to invest in the game (more content, maps, weapons, DLC, etc.).
Suppose someone loses 5% SP buildup every week that they don't log in. One month AFK would already amount to 20% loss. 3 months to 60%. Add a minimum base of 25% buildup, to keep leachers happy and to give them some SP to play with.
This decision can be justified as well: soldiers behind a desk accumulate skills slower than those in active duty.
I wonder what other players think. Thanks for reading and your feedback! |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
66
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:08:00 -
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I disagree with this. I have a couple of friends in the military who bought a few passive boosters to place on their account while they are over seas. This way they can come back and play the game without having a huge penalty for have no internet.
Instead maybe a 5-10% boost if you play that week would be nice. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
397
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:27:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:I disagree with this. I have a couple of friends in the military who bought a few passive boosters to place on their account while they are over seas. This way they can come back and play the game without having a huge penalty for have no internet.
Instead maybe a 5-10% boost if you play that week would be nice.
Yeah like if you are playing another FPS like BF when you get back you are level 45 LOL> Im sorry but thanks to people abusing ''good'' features in the game,i have to agree with OP. |
Captain Wontubulous
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
23
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:45:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:Just an idea:
I'd like to see passive SP accumulation decrease once people don't log in for a certain amount of time. This has a few advantages:
- Regular players get more of reward for playing, say, at least once a week - Players that are AFK for months still get enough SP to play with once they decide to log in - It's good for CCP, as it gives players an incentive to come back and log in and/or play more often - More people playing regularly, and less dropping out, will increase the player base and provide more reason for CCP to invest in the game (more content, maps, weapons, DLC, etc.).
Suppose someone loses 5% SP buildup every week that they don't log in. One month AFK would already amount to 20% loss. 3 months to 60%. Add a minimum base of 25% buildup, to keep leachers happy and to give them some SP to play with.
This decision can be justified as well: soldiers behind a desk accumulate skills slower than those in active duty.
I wonder what other players think. Thanks for reading and your feedback!
Currently I'm bored and awaiting new content and fixes for the numerous bugs and glitches. If this idea was implemented one of two things would happen. 1- I would log in then log back out without playing. 2- I wouldn't come back which would decrease the player base. This would be more likely if 1 wasn't possible. There's more and more F2P games out every day so the only thing I would miss is the potential this game has. If I didn't have my passive SP I wouldn't even bother coming back to these forums and the dev blogs to see if something has been done to further the games towards it's potential.
Also if I'm accumulating combat skills slower because I'm behind a desk I would expect to see the addition of administrative skills that I could increase instead to show that I'm doing something other than training with my "away time".
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dday3six
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:53:00 -
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I can't help but feel like this idea punishes those who cannot or do not want to play all the time, and that's not something I can get on board with. |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:59:00 -
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Captain Wontubulous wrote: Currently I'm bored and awaiting new content and fixes for the numerous bugs and glitches. If this idea was implemented one of two things would happen. 1- I would log in then log back out without playing. 2- I wouldn't come back which would decrease the player base. This would be more likely if 1 wasn't possible. There's more and more F2P games out every day so the only thing I would miss is the potential this game has. If I didn't have my passive SP I wouldn't even bother coming back to these forums and the dev blogs to see if something has been done to further the games towards it's potential.
1- That's why I think that a player should actually finish a match, instead of just logging in. Just to get their feet wet. If they like it, great! They're welcome to play any time and win more SP and ISK. If playing one game is too much to ask to maximize SP gain, I doubt many of these players would come back and love the game for what it is.
2- You'd still get passive SP, but just a bit less compared to those with their feet in the virtual mud. That's not unfair, is it? |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:01:00 -
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dday3six wrote:I can't help but feel like this idea punishes those who cannot or do not want to play all the time, and that's not something I can get on board with. That's why the decrease shouldn't be too big, and not kick in too fast. Perhaps one month of non-playing before the decrease kicks in? |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
364
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:02:00 -
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We already have an incentive to play: active SP accrual.
I'm sorry but you're only placing those people that can't log in regularly at a disadvantage. Passive SP is the only thing that's keeping those players from falling far behind. |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:09:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:We already have an incentive to play: active SP accrual.
I'm sorry but you're only placing those people that can't log in regularly at a disadvantage. Passive SP is the only thing that's keeping those players from falling far behind. Active SP accrual is not an incentive to play. Playing or not doesn't have any effect. If people don't play for months, they'd be falling far behind anyway.
Yes, this mechanism would put people that can't log in once a month at a disadvantage. But that's the whole idea behind it: a more active, healthier player base, with people playing more often. The difference in SP gain doesn't have to be big, but give more people a reason to play the game.
Besides, how many people wouldn't be able to play at least once in a month? And would it hurt them so bad if they'd earn 10% SP less or so? |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1358
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:12:00 -
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Eh.. Given the current state of Dust we should be more concerned with getting people to come back than worrying about alts with....oh no!...a couple mil SP.
Srsly, who cares? |
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DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
138
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:15:00 -
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disagree with post as well i buy passive boosters if i work alot for a month you saying i shouldn't be able to keep up with the jones |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.24 05:20:00 -
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DoomLead wrote: if i work alot for a month you saying i shouldn't be able to keep up with the jones No, but if you don't fight a battle in over a month, you'd get a slight decrease in SP accumulation. But you would be falling behind anyways, with the players that use passive SP-boosters and fight their wars.
As long as you fight one fight a month (15 mins?) , you should be fine. |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.24 05:27:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:we should be more concerned with getting people to come back That's the idea. People will be coming back regularly, just to make the most of their SP gain. Especially with the frequent updates, they can see for themselves how things have changed and keep some feeling with the game. And keep up their skills, even a bit.
It's a common marketing gimmick: give the potential customer a reason to come back, give them a little bit extra (SP), let them get to know the game better little by little, and reel them in.
Also, a huge load of SP won't do you any good if you haven't played for a year and you don't have the ISK or the knowledge of the maps, new weapons, etc. After waiting for a year, they'd still be bad players, have no fun, and leave. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
423
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:57:00 -
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With this idea:
- People who have a life get punished.
- The number of AFK farmers would grow, because you would HAVE TO farm.
- More people would just leave due to afk farmers/grinding/being pubstomped.
If your idea becomes true i will just stop playing dust, it is not a game good enough right now that i want to play it every day (not even every week), afk farmers already ruin most of the games and i don't want to have to grind to stay competitive.
You want to have more people playing? Then reward people for playing.
Change in battleSP gains to be dependant on WP and not time (this would remove afk farmers)
Add something like MAG Happy Hour or World of Tank 2x xp for the first battle so that people are ENCOURAGED to play everyday not FORCED. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:24:00 -
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Pretty much the above. If not for passive SP gain I would have stopped playing months ago, simply because I sometimes dont have the chance to play for a week or 2.
What you are suggesting is to completely eliminate weekend gamers. |
bacon blaster
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
93
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:33:00 -
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Dude, passive sp is already nearly garbage. Some of us simply can't log in and play every day. We have these things, they are called lives. They are stupid and annoying, but we have them.
Getting rid of, or even minorly cutting down on passive sp would basically kill the player base to all but the most dedicated people. |
Doshneil Antaro
SVER True Blood
102
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:54:00 -
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Just got to say, op is full on potato. Really people, do him a favor and stop posting here, as he cannot even logic. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:16:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:Just an idea:
I'd like to see passive SP accumulation decrease once people don't log in for a certain amount of time. This has a few advantages:
- Regular players get more of reward for playing, say, at least once a week - Players that are AFK for months still get enough SP to play with once they decide to log in - It's good for CCP, as it gives players an incentive to come back and log in and/or play more often - More people playing regularly, and less dropping out, will increase the player base and provide more reason for CCP to invest in the game (more content, maps, weapons, DLC, etc.).
Suppose someone loses 5% SP buildup every week that they don't log in. One month AFK would already amount to 20% loss. 3 months to 60%. Add a minimum base of 25% buildup, to keep leachers happy and to give them some SP to play with.
This decision can be justified as well: soldiers behind a desk accumulate skills slower than those in active duty.
I wonder what other players think. Thanks for reading and your feedback!
I'm about to deploy to Africa. I'm likely to load in a bunch of passive boosters before I go, since I likely won't be able to play when i'm gone.
So you're basically saying I should be punished for this? I'll wait for your yes or no before I call you an a$$.
People have different circumstances as to how often they play. They might simply not be able to for periods of time. The passive SP accumulation does no harm, you simply are asking to punish people for no real reason. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
767
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:25:00 -
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I'd be willing to bet most people who disagree play at least once a week so it would not affect them, but they are thinking about their alts
This idea wouldn't punish people who have a life, in fact it would be the opposite when you consider every other FPS awards you nothing if you are not online. You'd still be gaining passive SP if you didn't play, you'd simply be rewarded more if you did. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
148
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:27:00 -
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On average a match would take 10 minutes... you saying you, at no point within 30 days, have 10 minutes to burn? I'm sry but at this point I think you guys are either not listening or just looking for an excuse to bash someone.
Life or no, if you spend entire months off the game then either your internet is off (I feel for you guys) or you are not a fan in which case, why do you even bother coming to the forums?
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
689
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:53:00 -
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This is perhaps one of the worst ideas to be posted on these forums.....perhaps even worse than the idea of adding trophies.... |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:11:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:With this idea:
- People who have a life get punished.
- The number of AFK farmers would grow, because you would HAVE TO farm.
- More people would just leave due to afk farmers/grinding/being pubstomped.
If your idea becomes true i will just stop playing dust, it is not a game good enough right now that i want to play it every day (not even every week), afk farmers already ruin most of the games and i don't want to have to grind to stay competitive. You want to have more people playing? Then reward people for playing. Change in battleSP gains to be dependant on WP and not time (this would remove afk farmers) Add something like MAG Happy Hour or World of Tank 2x xp for the first battle so that people are ENCOURAGED to play everyday not FORCED. EDIT: The passive sp gains is what makes people coming back, people know that even if they don't play for a month they will still be competitive with everyone else. Remove passive sp gains and people will just leave to other, less sp based, games. Please note that I don't want people to play at least once a day - once a month seems fair. Sacrificing 15 mins once a month to play Dust: would that interfere too much with your life? If so, why bother playing at all? You'll stay behind with all the other players anyway, lacking SP and ISK from playing. Than an additional decrease of, say, 5% in SP per month won't matter much to you anyway.
Yes, there would perhaps be more AFK farmers. Not because you need to farm, but for those that want to spend their 1 game/month doing something else. I wonder if there'd be many people that are so dedicated to SP, but still don't want to play.
People who play already get extra rewards for every match. They don't need an extra incentive (although a double SP for every 1st match in a month or week sounds good). SP based on WP sounds good too, although I'm not sure how balanced this is for the various roles in the game.
This rule would make life easier for the casual gamers, who don't/can't get to play as much as they'd like. It would punish those who create accounts just to accumulate SP.
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lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:16:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:I sometimes dont have the chance to play for a week or 2.
What you are suggesting is to completely eliminate weekend gamers. This wouldn't affect you at all, if the penalty kicks in after a month. There's at least 4 weekends in a month.
Suppose the penalty is a -5% in SP. That would mean -2,5% SP over 2 months. This would not affect casual gamers. People who don't play for 2 months have lost a lot more potential SP just by not playing.
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Cai Mo
Bullet Cluster
3
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:16:00 -
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Think I prefer the mechanic being used in space already over bonusses here, where you have to select a skill and level to train so the passive sp gets added into that skill automatically. When the skill level training is finished, passive sp stops accumulating untill you (login and) select another skill and level to train.
This mechanic can be tweaked for dust to reduce the passive sp without a skill in training for example, or automatically starts training the next level available. Even with rank 1 skills it would take little over 2 weeks before it is fully trained and would still favor active players, while less active players have choices to reduce/manage their 'punishment' as a high rank skill can accumulate sp for several months before you have to login to setup another one.
It would be even better if this dust can be turned into an active ISK-grind that New Eden is familiar with, rather then the active SP-grind it is now. Although I do understand the choice for active sp at this moment, as mercenaries we should have to care more about the money somehow to motivate us onto the battlefields imho. |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:18:00 -
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bacon blaster wrote:Dude, passive sp is already nearly garbage. Some of us simply can't log in and play every day. We have these things, they are called lives. They are stupid and annoying, but we have them.
Getting rid of, or even minorly cutting down on passive sp would basically kill the player base to all but the most dedicated people.
Same here, no need to play every day. Nobody's suggesting this, or cutting passive SP altogether. If only "the most dedicated people" play a game at least once a month, Dust and CCP have something else to worry about. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
84
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:30:00 -
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No. Just because I dont play all the time that doesn't mean I should be given even less SP. |
lrian Locust
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.24 12:35:00 -
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Cai Mo wrote:Think I prefer the mechanic being used in space already over bonusses here, where you have to select a skill and level to train so the passive sp gets added into that skill automatically. When the skill level training is finished, passive sp stops accumulating untill you (login and) select another skill and level to train.
This mechanic can be tweaked for dust to reduce the passive sp without a skill in training for example, or automatically starts training the next level available. I don't agree. That would mean that people have to log in all the time, to check whether their skill has been filled or not. That seems like a nuisance that would be unfair to those that can't log in daily. Even if SP would continue to accumulate in the same branch in the skill tree, this would mean that people who are away for long periods of time can't decide how to distribute all their skill points. They would (for instance) end up with the mother of all forge guns, but be stuck in a flimsy suit.
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Cai Mo
Bullet Cluster
3
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:45:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:Cai Mo wrote:Think I prefer the mechanic being used in space already over bonusses here, where you have to select a skill and level to train so the passive sp gets added into that skill automatically. When the skill level training is finished, passive sp stops accumulating untill you (login and) select another skill and level to train.
This mechanic can be tweaked for dust to reduce the passive sp without a skill in training for example, or automatically starts training the next level available. I don't agree. That would mean that people have to log in all the time, to check whether their skill has been filled or not. That seems like a nuisance that would be unfair to those that can't log in daily. Even if SP would continue to accumulate in the same branch in the skill tree, this would mean that people who are away for long periods of time can't decide how to distribute all their skill points. They would (for instance) end up with the mother of all forge guns, but be stuck in a flimsy suit.
Agreed, continued training on the same skill wasnt the best idea maybe but the basic principle remains. Which isnt a daily nuisance when you do some planning, although we could use a working API so we can check skill status on our mobile phones or something. But wether you make the decission which skill to put your sp into on forehand or afterwards when accumulated shouldn't make a difference besides planning vs last-minute choices.
As for fairness, thats depends on perspective but in comparison those pilots up there in space only have passive sp, and only when they have a skill in training and paying to have an active account even. Aside from that since they are not mercs, wether you have to login daily/weekly to grind (some) active sp, or to change skilltraining occasionally to grind passive sp, either way we will always be somewhat 'forced' to check in with the game, keeping inactive players in mind is good not to alienate them but focus on getting people active (preferably not forced by mechanics).
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Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
192
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:25:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:Just an idea:
I'd like to see passive SP accumulation decrease once people don't log in for a certain amount of time. This has a few advantages:
- Regular players get more of reward for playing, say, at least once a week - Players that are AFK for months still get enough SP to play with once they decide to log in - It's good for CCP, as it gives players an incentive to come back and log in and/or play more often - More people playing regularly, and less dropping out, will increase the player base and provide more reason for CCP to invest in the game (more content, maps, weapons, DLC, etc.).
Suppose someone loses 5% SP buildup every week that they don't log in. One month AFK would already amount to 20% loss. 3 months to 60%. Add a minimum base of 25% buildup, to keep leachers happy and to give them some SP to play with.
This decision can be justified as well: soldiers behind a desk accumulate skills slower than those in active duty.
I wonder what other players think. Thanks for reading and your feedback!
Regular players already get rewarded for logging in and playing. It's called active SP.
What happens If you buy a few passive SP boosters, because you are out of the country for a couple of months?
It is better to encourage players to log in (Active SP) rather than penalizing them if they don't (Your idea).
Soldiers don't accumulate skills in the same way characters do in a game.
Sorry but not a good idea in my opinion.
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Fiddler Galaine
The United Federation New Eden Dark Taboo
7
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:44:00 -
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Yeah, sure, let's throw out the only possible reason why some players might ever come back to this POS. |
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