DUST Search - Decrease passive SP accumulation for those not logging in

Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:

With this idea:

People who have a life get punished.
The number of AFK farmers would grow, because you would HAVE TO farm.
More people would just leave due to afk farmers/grinding/being pubstomped.

If your idea becomes true i will just stop playing dust, it is not a game good enough right now that i want to play it every day (not even every week), afk farmers already ruin most of the games and i don't want to have to grind to stay competitive.

You want to have more people playing? Then reward people for playing.

Change in battleSP gains to be dependant on WP and not time (this would remove afk farmers)

Add something like MAG Happy Hour or World of Tank 2x xp for the first battle so that people are ENCOURAGED to play everyday not FORCED.

EDIT: The passive sp gains is what makes people coming back, people know that even if they don't play for a month they will still be competitive with everyone else. Remove passive sp gains and people will just leave to other, less sp based, games.


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lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.07.24 02:58:00 - [1] - Quote Just an idea: I'd like to see passive SP accumulation decrease once people don't log in for a certain amount of time. This has a few advantages: - Regular players get more of reward for playing, say, at least once a week - Players that are AFK for months still get enough SP to play with once they decide to log in - It's good for CCP, as it gives players an incentive to come back and log in and/or play more often - More people playing regularly, and less dropping out, will increase the player base and provide more reason for CCP to invest in the game (more content, maps, weapons, DLC, etc.). Suppose someone loses 5% SP buildup every week that they don't log in. One month AFK would already amount to 20% loss. 3 months to 60%. Add a minimum base of 25% buildup, to keep leachers happy and to give them some SP to play with. This decision can be justified as well: soldiers behind a desk accumulate skills slower than those in active duty. I wonder what other players think. Thanks for reading and your feedback!
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 03:59:00 - [2] - Quote Captain Wontubulous wrote: Currently I'm bored and awaiting new content and fixes for the numerous bugs and glitches. If this idea was implemented one of two things would happen. 1- I would log in then log back out without playing. 2- I wouldn't come back which would decrease the player base. This would be more likely if 1 wasn't possible. There's more and more F2P games out every day so the only thing I would miss is the potential this game has. If I didn't have my passive SP I wouldn't even bother coming back to these forums and the dev blogs to see if something has been done to further the games towards it's potential. 1- That's why I think that a player should actually finish a match, instead of just logging in. Just to get their feet wet. If they like it, great! They're welcome to play any time and win more SP and ISK. If playing one game is too much to ask to maximize SP gain, I doubt many of these players would come back and love the game for what it is. 2- You'd still get passive SP, but just a bit less compared to those with their feet in the virtual mud. That's not unfair, is it?
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:01:00 - [3] - Quote dday3six wrote: I can't help but feel like this idea punishes those who cannot or do not want to play all the time, and that's not something I can get on board with. That's why the decrease shouldn't be too big, and not kick in too fast. Perhaps one month of non-playing before the decrease kicks in?
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:09:00 - [4] - Quote Harpyja wrote: We already have an incentive to play: active SP accrual. I'm sorry but you're only placing those people that can't log in regularly at a disadvantage. Passive SP is the only thing that's keeping those players from falling far behind. Active SP accrual is not an incentive to play. Playing or not doesn't have any effect. If people don't play for months, they'd be falling far behind anyway. Yes, this mechanism would put people that can't log in once a month at a disadvantage. But that's the whole idea behind it: a more active, healthier player base, with people playing more often. The difference in SP gain doesn't have to be big, but give more people a reason to play the game. Besides, how many people wouldn't be able to play at least once in a month? And would it hurt them so bad if they'd earn 10% SP less or so?
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:20:00 - [5] - Quote DoomLead wrote: if i work alot for a month you saying i shouldn't be able to keep up with the jones No, but if you don't fight a battle in over a month, you'd get a slight decrease in SP accumulation. But you would be falling behind anyways, with the players that use passive SP-boosters and fight their wars. As long as you fight one fight a month (15 mins?) , you should be fine.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:27:00 - [6] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: we should be more concerned with getting people to come back That's the idea. People will be coming back regularly, just to make the most of their SP gain. Especially with the frequent updates, they can see for themselves how things have changed and keep some feeling with the game. And keep up their skills, even a bit. It's a common marketing gimmick: give the potential customer a reason to come back, give them a little bit extra (SP), let them get to know the game better little by little, and reel them in. Also, a huge load of SP won't do you any good if you haven't played for a year and you don't have the ISK or the knowledge of the maps, new weapons, etc. After waiting for a year, they'd still be bad players, have no fun, and leave.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:11:00 - [7] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: With this idea: People who have a life get punished. The number of AFK farmers would grow, because you would HAVE TO farm. More people would just leave due to afk farmers/grinding/being pubstomped. If your idea becomes true i will just stop playing dust, it is not a game good enough right now that i want to play it every day (not even every week), afk farmers already ruin most of the games and i don't want to have to grind to stay competitive. You want to have more people playing? Then reward people for playing. Change in battleSP gains to be dependant on WP and not time (this would remove afk farmers) Add something like MAG Happy Hour or World of Tank 2x xp for the first battle so that people are ENCOURAGED to play everyday not FORCED. EDIT: The passive sp gains is what makes people coming back, people know that even if they don't play for a month they will still be competitive with everyone else. Remove passive sp gains and people will just leave to other, less sp based, games. Please note that I don't want people to play at least once a day - once a month seems fair. Sacrificing 15 mins once a month to play Dust: would that interfere too much with your life? If so, why bother playing at all? You'll stay behind with all the other players anyway, lacking SP and ISK from playing. Than an additional decrease of, say, 5% in SP per month won't matter much to you anyway. Yes, there would perhaps be more AFK farmers. Not because you need to farm, but for those that want to spend their 1 game/month doing something else. I wonder if there'd be many people that are so dedicated to SP, but still don't want to play. People who play already get extra rewards for every match. They don't need an extra incentive (although a double SP for every 1st match in a month or week sounds good). SP based on WP sounds good too, although I'm not sure how balanced this is for the various roles in the game. This rule would make life easier for the casual gamers, who don't/can't get to play as much as they'd like. It would punish those who create accounts just to accumulate SP.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:16:00 - [8] - Quote Beeeees wrote: I sometimes dont have the chance to play for a week or 2. What you are suggesting is to completely eliminate weekend gamers. This wouldn't affect you at all, if the penalty kicks in after a month. There's at least 4 weekends in a month. Suppose the penalty is a -5% in SP. That would mean -2,5% SP over 2 months. This would not affect casual gamers. People who don't play for 2 months have lost a lot more potential SP just by not playing.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:18:00 - [9] - Quote bacon blaster wrote: Dude, passive sp is already nearly garbage. Some of us simply can't log in and play every day. We have these things, they are called lives. They are stupid and annoying, but we have them. Getting rid of, or even minorly cutting down on passive sp would basically kill the player base to all but the most dedicated people. Same here, no need to play every day. Nobody's suggesting this, or cutting passive SP altogether. If only "the most dedicated people" play a game at least once a month, Dust and CCP have something else to worry about.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:35:00 - [10] - Quote Cai Mo wrote: Think I prefer the mechanic being used in space already over bonusses here, where you have to select a skill and level to train so the passive sp gets added into that skill automatically. When the skill level training is finished, passive sp stops accumulating untill you (login and) select another skill and level to train. This mechanic can be tweaked for dust to reduce the passive sp without a skill in training for example, or automatically starts training the next level available. I don't agree. That would mean that people have to log in all the time, to check whether their skill has been filled or not. That seems like a nuisance that would be unfair to those that can't log in daily. Even if SP would continue to accumulate in the same branch in the skill tree, this would mean that people who are away for long periods of time can't decide how to distribute all their skill points. They would (for instance) end up with the mother of all forge guns, but be stuck in a flimsy suit.

lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 19:42:00 - [11] - Quote Vavilia Lysenko wrote: What happens If you buy a few passive SP boosters, because you are out of the country for a couple of months? Suppose you get a 5% decrease after a month of not playing, this is what would happen over 3 months: - for the first month, the character would accumulate SP as normal, including the boost - The second month, the reward would be 95% of SP. No matter how many SP boosters you have, you can't activate them because you're abroad. These will be useless for the time being. - The third month, it would be 90% All in all, you'd lose 5% of your potential SP gain, over a period of 3 months. That is a small loss compared to the wasted potential of 3 months of active SP and two months 50% passive boost. The SP loss is minimal, but increases as people are away for a longer period of time. I understand that this is no fun for people that have their character on hold, waiting for better times. But that wouldn't be fair to newcomers to the game that don't seem to get ahead because there's all those other players with massive amounts of SP. I'd rather make the game more fun and balanced to those that are new and willing to play, than facilitate people that can't be bothered to log in.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 19:52:00 - [12] - Quote Fiddler Galaine wrote: Yeah, sure, let's throw out the only possible reason why some players might ever come back to this POS. Here's a scenario: suppose, one year from now, there's 2 people who want to give Dust a (second) chance: a newbie (A) and someone with a one-year-old account who hasn't played (B). Player A is new, has to learn a lot, and gets killed often by players with more SP and much better gear. That's no fun, especially if there's people out there that got everything handed to them and there's no way he catch up. Who wants to feel like a 2nd rate player? Player B instantly becomes a god-like player, with proto gear - but he's immediately stuck in the grind and won't b able to upgrade his skill tree for a while. He didn't like the game anyway (why else didn't he play for a year?) and once the thrills of the new skills are gone, he quits. Of course I understand that not everybody is like player A and B, but I think that people that don't play for months at a time should get a slight nerf. Just as a perk to the casual players.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 20:39:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: When I was in Afghanistan, I couldn't play any games for 7 months, because there was no internet. Should I be punished for that? No, you shouldn't. And I know that would suck for you, as I've been in the same situation. But should others who are not interested to play be awarded for doing nothing and being able to shoot the crap out of newbies? Should new players get this extra disadvantage towards people that didn't earn it? Perhaps there should be a mechanism that true players, like you, would not be punished. For instance, every 10 games played in a month will delay the penalty kicking in with a month. I just think that those people that create an account with the intention of farming instead of playing should be nerfed slightly, to give them an additional incentive to play and to make life less unfair for new players.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 21:32:00 - [14] - Quote Thanks everybody, your feedback put things in perspective for me!
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 00:34:00 - [15] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: I don't have time to play all time. Lowering the passive count would mess up the reason why I spent over $200 on this game. If you don't like it than just leave. Nobody's talking about having to play all the time. But once every month, is that too much to ask? if you've already spent over $200 in the game, I'm sure you'd be playing at least once a month and this rule wouldn't affect you.
lrian Locust Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.07.31 16:22:00 - [16] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: [quote=lrian Locust][quote=FLAYLOCK Steve]ISo let put this all in two simple questions: What specific benefits would your proposition yield for us players? Why specifically do we need a system as per your proposition? This wouldn't benefit any players directly. But it would, hopefully, make it easier for new players to join in in the future. And keep the grind of us veterans more worthwhile. Dust 514 clearly wants to stay around for a long time. As the gap between new and older players gets bigger in time due to passive SP, I don't think it's fair that new players would be destroyed by other newbies who happen to have millions of SP because of their older accounts. Newer players will feel that they're so far behind, that there's no way to catch up and have to remain an 'inferior' player. That's fair if other people have earned their SP, but not if that advantage has only been attained because they registered earlier. I think CCP will have to deal with this sooner or later. And I'm afraid that they'll go for the easy way out, giving newer players more SP from the start, so all our current grinding has been for nought.