The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.

I think it's still pretty damn obvious that ARs (plasma weapons!) are too good at long range.
A handheld light plasma weapon can still somehow outrange 20gj blasters mounted on vehicles.

Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better.

Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example.

The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.

And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed.

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Remember: IamI3rian told ya.
The Drippings WILL pay.

Now that the other win button is getting sent to the worthless weapon pile the MD's are going to become the OP splash damage weapon of choice again.

So yeah a cry for re-nerf is in order.

Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.

The weapons should be like this....

Gallente AR - Short Range
Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range
Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range
Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range

Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example.

And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed.

Some people forget that we're playing an FPS and that it's fundamentally required to have an AR like ours that exists for balanced gameplay.

Duvolle Tactical ASSAULT Rifle

jussayin'

It's the price of being effective with a niche weapon. People need something to complain about as much as we need to troll AR nerds. It's a necessary evil.

The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.

Not sure if insinuating that the MD is a win button, or making fun of people who hate splash weaponry...

Obviously Buster Friently isn't online, otherwise he would be spazzing out over this line from the dev blog: "The Assault Rifle is versatile and can be useful in a number of situations, but it's rarely the absolute best weapon in any circumstance."

Kinda makes the devs seem a bit out of touch, imo.

Look at the HMG, a weapon that should be unparalleled at close range decimation yet is outclassed by just about any other weapon.

The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle.
AND IT ******* SUCKS!

Now, are assault rifles OP?
No, no they aren't.
Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range?
I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.

We do our job.
Medium range general combat.

And it will most likely be this way, when we get the missing weapons.

The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle.
AND IT ******* SUCKS!

Now, are assault rifles OP?
No, no they aren't.
Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range?
I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.

We do our job.
Medium range general combat.

Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example.

The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle.
AND IT ******* SUCKS!

Now, are assault rifles OP?
No, no they aren't.
Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range?
I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.

We do our job.
Medium range general combat.

I can't believe people still think the viziam wasn't OP.

I grant you it was nerfed into oblivion and it was only the viziam that needed fixed. But c'mon you must agree it needed balancing.

Breach is actually pretty damn good if you hipfire and strafe like a ************.
The one place where ARs are where they should be is in CQC- they're outclassed by SMGs, shotguns, knives, and HMGs in CQC, while the breach has a better chance than normal ARs.

Well according to the DEVs the Assault variant is the true Gallente weapon (which makes no sense withe the current stats) and the breach mimics the Caldari Railrifle (which makes again no sense with the current stats)

If CCP would give the current breach the rof of the standard AR (and rename it ^^) than it could be the true gallente AR high DPS short range...

I have no idea about history/lore of Dust/Eve nor do I even care but I suppose ARs came before every other gun....so more time to develop/enhance/etc. more so than newer future type weapons. Not CCP's fault they are just proper RPers.

Yeah that's a bit on the extreme side...
637 damage for the standard breach.
Though with the clip size it won't last long.
I suggested 588.2 fire rate, which puts it at 75 more DPS than the normal AR.

Assault Rifle Nerf Advocates,

The Assault Rifle is the standard weapon in the real world, DUST, and almost all other FPS games. There is a reason you get killed by it a lot, its an easy to use, capable, and powerful weapon that fulfills many different roles in combat. Across the range of all types of engagements you can get yourself into, the Assault Rifle will perform better on average in all of them. Does that make it overpowered? I don't think so, I think that just means its a more versatile weapon than most.

It is the standard by which everything else is compared, and I think that means it can't possibly be overpowered. Only other weapons can be over or under powered in relation to it.

Maybe that's what you mean.

Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.

The weapons should be like this....

Gallente AR - Short Range
Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range
Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range
Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range

AR's are little pusy cats compare to MD's, Flaylocks, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles, Tanks, LLAV's, grenades, Remote Explosive...But lets nerf the AR, right ?

It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Protobear with an AR, but it only takes ONE shotgun shoot... or half of a Flaylock shoot, or one Sniper shoot, or one LAV road kill, or ONE remote Explosive, or ONE grenade ....

Of all the OP **** we have right now, they AR is more UP.

Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.

The weapons should be like this....

Gallente AR - Short Range
Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range
Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range
Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range

How much SP do you have in AR's?
it takes 2-3 shotgun blasts, 3 flaylock shots, 2 sniper rounds for a Proto
You have Bad aim if you can't kill with less than 1 clip of an AR

3/10 I have seen better.

It takes a full AR mag and half of a SMG mag to kill just a Adv heavy, or Adv Assault ...You obviously don't use the AR, other hows you will know this.

3 Flaylock shots ? Trollolololll

2.5 million, Specced in to AR's try again.

Heavies are supposed to be hard to kill, Assaults aren't hard at all.

a good player can take/dodge 3 Flaylock shots.

Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better.

The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.

I think it's still pretty damn obvious that ARs (plasma weapons!) are too good at long range.
A handheld light plasma weapon can still somehow outrange 20gj blasters mounted on vehicles.

That's because the ar is a medium range weapon and the 20gj blasters are short range weapons

LMAO a ar is suppose to be versatile.

They're supposed to be OK at everything- they're too good at long range right now.

• The tiny scrambler rifle range difference (lasers are meant to have far more range than blasters- which the AR is) is nothing
• Unless laser rifles are in the tiny "sweet spot" range, either ARs will outdamage them anyway, or the extremely steep laser dropoff will turn the laser into a garden hose
• ARs don't overheat
• Due to the map design being in favor of ARs, snipers are forced into either AR range, or an extremely stupid location with a tiny firing window.
• Again- ARs are more reliable than 20GJ blasters. Even with the change of range, you have to be in spitting distance to kill someone with a small blaster. And you wonder why LAV drivers go murder taxi.
• Scratch that- ARs are more reliable than ANY small turrets, save for AV capabilities, which small turrets suck at anyway.

They're supposed to be OK at everything- they're too good at long range right now.

• The tiny scrambler rifle range difference (lasers are meant to have far more range than blasters- which the AR is) is nothing
• Unless laser rifles are in the tiny "sweet spot" range, either ARs will outdamage them anyway, or the extremely steep laser dropoff will turn the laser into a garden hose
• ARs don't overheat
• Due to the map design being in favor of ARs, snipers are forced into either AR range, or an extremely stupid location with a tiny firing window.
• Again- ARs are more reliable than 20GJ blasters. Even with the change of range, you have to be in spitting distance to kill someone with a small blaster. And you wonder why LAV drivers go murder taxi.
• Scratch that- ARs are more reliable than ANY small turrets, save for AV capabilities, which small turrets suck at anyway.

god damn you bltch too much. you got raped so badly by an AR to create this post? you never see me whine about a flaylock. fused grenades, scrambler riffle n make a huge ass list of bullshit on the forums whenever i feel mad.

They're supposed to be OK at everything- they're too good at long range right now.

• The tiny scrambler rifle range difference (lasers are meant to have far more range than blasters- which the AR is) is nothing
• Unless laser rifles are in the tiny "sweet spot" range, either ARs will outdamage them anyway, or the extremely steep laser dropoff will turn the laser into a garden hose
• ARs don't overheat
• Due to the map design being in favor of ARs, snipers are forced into either AR range, or an extremely stupid location with a tiny firing window.
• Again- ARs are more reliable than 20GJ blasters. Even with the change of range, you have to be in spitting distance to kill someone with a small blaster. And you wonder why LAV drivers go murder taxi.
• Scratch that- ARs are more reliable than ANY small turrets, save for AV capabilities, which small turrets suck at anyway.

god damn you bltch too much. you got raped so badly by an AR to create this post? you never see me whine about a flaylock. fused grenades, scrambler riffle n make a list of bullshit on the forums whenever i feel mad.

Are you serious ? ....Are you saying that the AR is OP, and that the Flaylock is OK ?... If i start using the Flaylock tomorrow, it will be nerfed in a couple of days...CCP will get scare of the **** i can do with that thing.