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Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
289
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:46:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.
The weapons should be like this....
Gallente AR - Short Range Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range And it will most likely be this way, when we get the missing weapons. When we got scrambler rifles, there was no reason for blaster rifles to stay the way they were.
This^^^ |

Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
59
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat.
Well according to the DEVs the Assault variant is the true Gallente weapon (which makes no sense withe the current stats) and the breach mimics the Caldari Railrifle (which makes again no sense with the current stats)
If CCP would give the urent breach the rof of the standard AR (and rename it ^^) than it could be the true gallente AR high DPS short range... |

bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
300
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:56:00 -
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For those that are ignorantly posting about AR's being good at all ranges look up "optimal range" and "fall off" if you got raped by an AR at long range (outside of a TAC which has already been nerfed) You should probably check your build or quit standing in one place...... |

Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
93
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:08:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example.
I can't believe people still think the viziam wasn't OP.
I grant you it was nerfed into oblivion and it was only the viziam that needed fixed. But c'mon you must agree it needed balancing. |

Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2475
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat. Breach is actually pretty damn good if you hipfire and strafe like a ************. The one place where ARs are where they should be is in CQC- they're outclassed by SMGs, shotguns, knives, and HMGs in CQC, while the breach has a better chance than normal ARs. |

Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2475
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:11:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example. I can't believe people still think the viziam wasn't OP. I grant you it was nerfed into oblivion and it was only the viziam that needed fixed. But c'mon you must agree it needed balancing. The Viziam's stats were literally wrong, according to a dev. All they needed to do was correct them- not nerf the entire weapon class. |

OSGR Valdez
Contract Hunters
3
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:14:00 -
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AR's are in perfect balance. the concept of: less rof= more damage ( and vise versa) have been the basis of FPS' since the dawn of time. TAC- significantly low ROF +significantly high damage Breach - low ROF + hight damage standard - high ROF + average damage
burst is more preferance + situational
just my 2 cents :) |

Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3512
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:47:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat. Breach is actually pretty damn good if you hipfire and strafe like a ************. The one place where ARs are where they should be is in CQC- they're outclassed by SMGs, shotguns, knives, and HMGs in CQC, while the breach has a better chance than normal ARs. The hip fire on the standard AR is too tight for it to matter. Trust me, I used both, standrad AR is simply better. |

Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3512
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:50:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat. Well according to the DEVs the Assault variant is the true Gallente weapon (which makes no sense withe the current stats) and the breach mimics the Caldari Railrifle (which makes again no sense with the current stats) If CCP would give the current breach the rof of the standard AR (and rename it ^^) than it could be the true gallente AR high DPS short range... Yeah that's a bit on the extreme side... 637 damage for the standard breach. Though with the clip size it won't last long. I suggested 588.2 fire rate, which puts it at 75 more DPS than the normal AR. |

D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
0uter.Heaven EoN.
18
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:51:00 -
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LMAO a ar is suppose to be versatile. |
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
1
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:00:00 -
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I have no idea about history/lore of Dust/Eve nor do I even care but I suppose ARs came before every other gun....so more time to develop/enhance/etc. more so than newer future type weapons. Not CCP's fault they are just proper RPers. |

Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
243
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:12:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:I have no idea about history/lore of Dust/Eve nor do I even care but I suppose ARs came before every other gun....so more time to develop/enhance/etc. more so than newer future type weapons. Not CCP's fault they are just proper RPers.
How about them just telling their playerbase to htfu instead of running around like chicken little and nerfing everything.
They really should make a new video - "QQ til you get you wish"
Truth is I should really skill into that tree. I have no points invested but probably get most of my skills with my Exile. Upside - its the one un-nerfable weapon  |

ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1219
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:36:00 -
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Gallente ARs cannot be rebalanced until all ARs are in the game... unfortunately.. like all things CCP... you'll just have to wait. |

Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
299
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Cat Merc wrote:The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat. Well according to the DEVs the Assault variant is the true Gallente weapon (which makes no sense withe the current stats) and the breach mimics the Caldari Railrifle (which makes again no sense with the current stats) If CCP would give the current breach the rof of the standard AR (and rename it ^^) than it could be the true gallente AR high DPS short range... Yeah that's a bit on the extreme side... 637 damage for the standard breach. Though with the clip size it won't last long. I suggested 588.2 fire rate, which puts it at 75 more DPS than the normal AR. how about 590 or a flat 600? |

Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
955
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:39:00 -
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this thread gave me cancer |

Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
244
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:40:00 -
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I think the AR's can have their correct range which would put the ScR's range over them - why wouldnt they do that from the start???
If they change it down the line then the rage and tears and QQ train will obviously come out. |

Nack Jicholson
DUST University Ivy League
33
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:08:00 -
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Assault Rifle Nerf Advocates,
The Assault Rifle is the standard weapon in the real world, DUST, and almost all other FPS games. There is a reason you get killed by it a lot, its an easy to use, capable, and powerful weapon that fulfills many different roles in combat. Across the range of all types of engagements you can get yourself into, the Assault Rifle will perform better on average in all of them. Does that make it overpowered? I don't think so, I think that just means its a more versatile weapon than most.
It is the standard by which everything else is compared, and I think that means it can't possibly be overpowered. Only other weapons can be over or under powered in relation to it.
Maybe that's what you mean. |

Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
300
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:14:00 -
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Nack Jicholson wrote:Assault Rifle Nerf Advocates,
The Assault Rifle is the standard weapon in the real world, DUST, and almost all other FPS games. There is a reason you get killed by it a lot, its an easy to use, capable, and powerful weapon that fulfills many different roles in combat. Across the range of all types of engagements you can get yourself into, the Assault Rifle will perform better on average in all of them. Does that make it overpowered? I don't think so, I think that just means its a more versatile weapon than most.
It is the standard by which everything else is compared, and I think that means it can't possibly be overpowered. Only other weapons can be over or under powered in relation to it.
Maybe that's what you mean. Which AR? AScR or Blaster Rifle |

Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
741
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:15:00 -
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AR's are little pusy cats compare to MD's, Flaylocks, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles, Tanks, LLAV's, grenades, Remote Explosive...But lets nerf the AR, right ?
It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Protobear with an AR, but it only takes ONE shotgun shoot... or half of a Flaylock shoot, or one Sniper shoot, or one LAV road kill, or ONE remote Explosive, or ONE grenade ....
Of all the OP **** we have right now, they AR is more UP. |

EternalRMG
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
443
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:16:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.
The weapons should be like this....
Gallente AR - Short Range Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range it will be like this we only lack the other rifles |
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Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
300
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:18:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:AR's are little pusy cats compare to MD's, Flaylocks, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles, Tanks, LLAV's, grenades, Remote Explosive...But lets nerf the AR, right ?
It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Protobear with an AR, but it only takes ONE shotgun shoot... or half of a Flaylock shoot, or one Sniper shoot, or one LAV road kill, or ONE remote Explosive, or ONE grenade ....
Of all the OP **** we have right now, they AR is more UP.
How much SP do you have in AR's? it takes 2-3 shotgun blasts, 3 flaylock shots, 2 sniper rounds for a Proto You have Bad aim if you can't kill with less than 1 clip of an AR
3/10 I have seen better. |

2-Ton Twenty-One
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
846
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:21:00 -
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if your firing a Proto 20J SBT and your getting beat by a AR your doing it wrong. |

Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6460
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:26:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.
The weapons should be like this....
Gallente AR - Short Range Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range
Plasma - Ball of high energy state matter contained in magnetic fielding, uses a gas based charges.
Blasters - Big oversized slagging cannons that uses magnetics as a 'containment funnel', uses metal based charges. |

Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
741
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:30:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:AR's are little pusy cats compare to MD's, Flaylocks, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles, Tanks, LLAV's, grenades, Remote Explosive...But lets nerf the AR, right ?
It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Protobear with an AR, but it only takes ONE shotgun shoot... or half of a Flaylock shoot, or one Sniper shoot, or one LAV road kill, or ONE remote Explosive, or ONE grenade ....
Of all the OP **** we have right now, they AR is more UP. How much SP do you have in AR's? it takes 2-3 shotgun blasts, 3 flaylock shots, 2 sniper rounds for a Proto You have Bad aim if you can't kill with less than 1 clip of an AR 3/10 I have seen better.
It takes a full AR mag and half of a SMG mag to kill just a Adv heavy, or Adv Assault ...You obviously don't use the AR, other hows you will know this.
3 Flaylock shots ? Trollolololll |

Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
301
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:35:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:AR's are little pusy cats compare to MD's, Flaylocks, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles, Tanks, LLAV's, grenades, Remote Explosive...But lets nerf the AR, right ?
It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Protobear with an AR, but it only takes ONE shotgun shoot... or half of a Flaylock shoot, or one Sniper shoot, or one LAV road kill, or ONE remote Explosive, or ONE grenade ....
Of all the OP **** we have right now, they AR is more UP. How much SP do you have in AR's? it takes 2-3 shotgun blasts, 3 flaylock shots, 2 sniper rounds for a Proto You have Bad aim if you can't kill with less than 1 clip of an AR 3/10 I have seen better. It takes a full AR mag and half of a SMG mag to kill just a Adv heavy, or Adv Assault ...You obviously don't use the AR, other hows you will know this. 3 Flaylock shots ?  Trollolololll 2.5 million, Specced in to AR's try again.
Heavies are supposed to be hard to kill, Assaults aren't hard at all.
a good player can take/dodge 3 Flaylock shots. |

Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
741
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:44:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:AR's are little pusy cats compare to MD's, Flaylocks, Shotguns, Sniper Rifles, Tanks, LLAV's, grenades, Remote Explosive...But lets nerf the AR, right ?
It takes 2 full magazines to kill a Protobear with an AR, but it only takes ONE shotgun shoot... or half of a Flaylock shoot, or one Sniper shoot, or one LAV road kill, or ONE remote Explosive, or ONE grenade ....
Of all the OP **** we have right now, they AR is more UP. How much SP do you have in AR's? it takes 2-3 shotgun blasts, 3 flaylock shots, 2 sniper rounds for a Proto You have Bad aim if you can't kill with less than 1 clip of an AR 3/10 I have seen better. It takes a full AR mag and half of a SMG mag to kill just a Adv heavy, or Adv Assault ...You obviously don't use the AR, other hows you will know this. 3 Flaylock shots ?  Trollolololll 2.5 million, Specced in to AR's try again. Heavies are supposed to be hard to kill, Assaults aren't hard at all. a good player can take/dodge 3 Flaylock shots.
Are you serious ? ....Are you saying that the AR is OP, and that the Flaylock is OK ?... If i start using the Flaylock tomorrow, it will be nerfed in a couple of days...CCP will get scare of the **** i can do with that thing. |

Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2649
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:06:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. All we really need though are the other racial ARs.
If they were to adjust the Gallente ones now, which are still the only ones with a new variant set, the weapon balance would suffer.
Once we have all the race's ARs good to go, we can redo the Gallente ones.
I suggested before having them all keep the same absolute range, and only differ in their damage falloff out to that range.
So, for example, Gallente ARs would have the highest damage, but the sharpest falloff out to 250m.
Conversely, the Rail(Gauss/Bolt/Whatever) Rifle would have the lowest damage, but the least falloff, so it would do the closest to its original damage at 250m. |

john gratn
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
8
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:16:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.
I think it's still pretty damn obvious that ARs (plasma weapons!) are too good at long range. A handheld light plasma weapon can still somehow outrange 20gj blasters mounted on vehicles.
That's because the ar is a medium range weapon and the 20gj blasters are short range weapons |

Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2651
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:22:00 -
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john gratn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.
I think it's still pretty damn obvious that ARs (plasma weapons!) are too good at long range. A handheld light plasma weapon can still somehow outrange 20gj blasters mounted on vehicles. That's because the ar is a medium range weapon and the 20gj blasters are short range weapons That both work on the same principles? And the latter has a shitload more power behind it than the former?
It doesn't make any sense, man. |

Engvar Selequel
Blades of the Darkmoon
9
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:32:00 -
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I think the biggest reason that AR's beat out HMG so easily is just all speed. Even at close range where heavies should devastate, they can't turn horizontally to aim as fast as someone in a light/medium suit can run around them. Couple that with shield recharge rates on some of the lighter suits, and it's nearly impossible to kill them up close with the HMG. Especially the burst variant, which is supposed to excel at CQC. Sure, if your standing still the HMG will cut you in half before you can blink. As soon as you start moving, your pretty much safe unless you happen to be at that perfect range where the HMG has both decent damage, and the ability to track you. Don't run away from us, run towards us, that's how you win.  |
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