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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:40:00 -
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The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.
I think it's still pretty damn obvious that ARs (plasma weapons!) are too good at long range. A handheld light plasma weapon can still somehow outrange 20gj blasters mounted on vehicles. |
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
267
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:41:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.
I think it's still pretty damn obvious that ARs (plasma weapons!) are too good at long range. A handheld light plasma weapon can still somehow outrange 20gj blasters mounted on vehicles. very true |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
3110
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:42:00 -
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Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:43:00 -
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See its stuff like this that makes it hard to take you seriously |
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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
777
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:46:00 -
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Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.
The weapons should be like this....
Gallente AR - Short Range Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
343
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:49:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example.
And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed. |
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IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
313
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:51:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this.
Wrong.
The Assault Rifle is versatile and can be useful in a number of situations, but it's rarely the absolute best weapon in any circumstance.
They appear to be working a intended. ![Sad](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_sad.png)
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:52:00 -
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AR's are crap at long range, I think you mean mid range. The Tac rifle is pretty good at long range but that's a rifle not an assault rifle. |
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:55:00 -
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Duvolle Tactical ASSAULT Rifle
jussayin' |
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ISuperstar
DIOS X. II Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:55:00 -
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Some people forget that we're playing an FPS and that it's fundamentally required to have an AR like ours that exists for balanced gameplay. |
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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:56:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example. And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed.
Now that the other win button is getting sent to the worthless weapon pile the MD's are going to become the OP splash damage weapon of choice again.
So yeah a cry for re-nerf is in order. |
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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:59:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:
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Off topic but this ^ is just plain ********.
No Sig required because you see your avatar name
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yeah well that tells us who posted.
Rant over. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
347
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:03:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example. And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed. Now that the other win button is getting sent to the worthless weapon pile the MD's are going to become the OP splash damage weapon of choice again. So yeah a cry for re-nerf is in order.
Not sure if insinuating that the MD is a win button, or making fun of people who hate splash weaponry... |
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Vin Mora
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:04:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.
The weapons should be like this....
Gallente AR - Short Range Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range And it will most likely be this way, when we get the missing weapons. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:05:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example. I don't know if it got a ninja buff or what, but I've been seeing quite a few laser kills on the feed. Just keep it hush-hush, don't want to start any rabble rousing or make it the new FotM.
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed. It's the price of being effective with a niche weapon. People need something to complain about as much as we need to troll AR nerds. It's a necessary evil. |
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Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
289
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:05:00 -
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ISuperstar wrote:Some people forget that we're playing an FPS and that it's fundamentally required to have an AR like ours that exists for balanced gameplay. Assault Scrambler Rifle should be the equivelent of your standard AR, mid range, fair ROF, med damage |
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
215
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:07:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Duvolle Tactical ASSAULT Rifle
jussayin'
We already know CCP is (at least) slightly mentally handicapped. They call it an AR but functionally it's just a rifle. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
347
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:08:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed. It's the price of being effective with a niche weapon. People need something to complain about as much as we need to troll AR nerds. It's a necessary evil.
Quoted for truthiness. |
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Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
482
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:09:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The new dev blog talked about weapons being too powerful outside of their roles- but assault rifles were never mentioned for this. The apparent intended role for ARs is... broad. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
549
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:13:00 -
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AR
M A S T E R R A C E |
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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:16:00 -
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It isn't simply that ARs are good at every range but that CCP has designed other weapons to just plain suck at all ranges.
Look at the HMG, a weapon that should be unparalleled at close range decimation yet is outclassed by just about any other weapon. |
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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:19:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cosgar wrote:Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better. Whenever niche weapons are powerful enough, players whine for a nerf. Look at laser rifles for example. And the cries for the MD to get re-nerfed. Now that the other win button is getting sent to the worthless weapon pile the MD's are going to become the OP splash damage weapon of choice again. So yeah a cry for re-nerf is in order. Not sure if insinuating that the MD is a win button, or making fun of people who hate splash weaponry...
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Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:24:00 -
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Obviously Buster Friently isn't online, otherwise he would be spazzing out over this line from the dev blog: "The Assault Rifle is versatile and can be useful in a number of situations, but it's rarely the absolute best weapon in any circumstance."
Kinda makes the devs seem a bit out of touch, imo. |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:25:00 -
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The current AR tree is somewhat broken the standard hast too much Range (when reducing the Range the Damage should be increased) the gallante Plasma Rifle should have the lowest Range but the highest dps of all ARs (or AR type weapons). For some crazy Reason the Breach has less Range and less dps and is meant to be the gallente version of the long arnge Railrifle![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) . The burst has a scope altough it should be short to Medium Range and the Tac should have higher DPS and lower range than the SR...as I said completly broken |
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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:26:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Obviously Buster Friently isn't online, otherwise he would be spazzing out over this line from the dev blog: "The Assault Rifle is versatile and can be useful in a number of situations, but it's rarely the absolute best weapon in any circumstance."
Kinda makes the devs seem a bit out of touch, imo.
Thats because the Devs have been busy playing Planetside 2 they have no time for this game.
DUST 514 working as intended. |
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:32:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Look at the HMG, a weapon that should be unparalleled at close range decimation yet is outclassed by just about any other weapon.
Yeah the HMG as well as heavies could use a buff but even now it can be devastating in close range. If there isn't anything to take cover behind getting close to an HMG is suicidal but usually there's lots of stuff to take cover behind so..... yeah. Maybe it's because I'm a crappy player but when I round a corner and see a heavy with an HMG eyeballing me; I panic a bit and hope I can get back around the corner before I become swiss cheese. |
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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:35:00 -
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The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat. |
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Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The Breach AR is the true Gallente assault rifle. AND IT ******* SUCKS!
Now, are assault rifles OP? No, no they aren't. Do you have any clue how little damage we do at long range? I once shot a sniper for 4 seconds at long range... Then he took cover.
We do our job. Medium range general combat. Well how come every other mid-range wepon is out claased by AR's |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:44:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yep Gallente Weapons (blasters) in EVE hit hard up close and suck from range. For reasons unknown, in DUST, the AR's (Gallente Blasters) are pretty spot on from long ranges.
The weapons should be like this....
Gallente AR - Short Range Amarr SCR/LR - Long Range Caldari Rail Rifle - Long Range Minmitar Combat Rifle - Medium Range And it will most likely be this way, when we get the missing weapons. When we got scrambler rifles, there was no reason for blaster rifles to stay the way they were. |
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