Thanks crybabies you won. Boo hoo hoo the flaylock killed me and its really strong ITS A ROCKET PISTOL MORONS all that crying isn't making you a better player. CCP this is a joke direct damage should be high on a rocket stop pandering to babies.Nerfing things isn't the answer how you gonna nerf the assault forge gun when people start crying about it? The flaylock does take skill to use and skill to avoid people that whine just suck its that simple always will be. Is my mass driver next cuz its OP? Final note if you can't leave weapons and suits alone you should refund people's sp it's not our fault when you decide that what we spec into is too much for people who haven't i don't have a problem losing to flaylocks, caldari logi or murder taxi people are just bitches.

If you are a tanker, then it's likely you haven't experienced being killed repeatedly and easily by flaylock pistols. Your opinion is therefore uninformed, even if your principle of HTFU is a fair starting position.

For the love of god leave LAVs alone!

Swarm launcher guys have it tough enough without you trying to cut out our bread and butter. With the exception of maybe the plasma cannon all other av weapons are superior to swarms, except when it comes to killing the basic lavs.
Without a healthy number of basic lavs who would ever use a swarm launcher?

1. all av weapons except swarms can hit infantry

2 almost all av weapons out do swarms in direct damage and/or dps

3 all av weapons except swarms can target neutral installations

4 dropships and boosted vehicles easily out run swarms.

5 swarms have one of the most if not the most limited ammo pools

6 you can hide a forge gunner/flaylock/ av nade user. kinda hard not to be noticed with a 6 long and long lasting smoke trails point straight towards you

the only thing swarms excel at is killing basic lavs. All you need to keep down the numbers of lavs is just one proto swarm launcher on your team in a semi decent position. Every match I play i'm killing lavs, sometimes I have to kill 4 or 5 but it doesn't take long before even the worst taxi driver gives it up. Now, if you cut down on the number of lavs all the millions of sp I've put in to my av suit just became worthless. Yes, they will still be tanks and dropships but as I've stated above but they are fewer per match and better engaged with any other av weapon.


Some changes that would be nice to see

1 a nerf to logi lavs or if not a nerf at least make it worth killing! Ridiculous that it takes more shots for me to kill a logi lav than a tank but it only gives me a third of the points!

2 fix drop ship kills!! no more of this everybody jump out of the ship before it hits the ground so the aver doesn't get any kills! what other vehicle has this option?

3 another fix to drop ships. Its not really fun when I manage to bring one down but it hits a wall on the way down so I get an assist instead of a kill

4 Add an aggression timer. I take a gunnlogi down to a sliver of health but thanks to the long lock and slow travel times of swarms there is just enough time for him to jump out and recall the thing! Cool idea ccp! That kinda stuff doesn't fly in eve why does it here?

5 i'm not sure if this is just limited to swarms but while I will one shot a lav with a driver in it. If the lav is unoccupied it can take me as many as three shots to kill. I don't know if applies to all avs or just swarms but shouldn't it be easier to kill a lav that's empty and just sitting there?

6 Add a freaking re-sync button!! at one point or another all of will have to re-start the game either for mic issues, lag etc. would be nice if we could just choose restart instead of quitting game the reloading and going through the whole ps move info bit!

those 6 should be fixed no matter what class you are. on personal note I would like to see

1 swarms able to target neutrals. Every other weapon can!

2 bigger ammo pools (only slightly)

so core flaylock users who were just spam shooting the weapon, this is what happens to FoTM weapons being abused. ha

I have just discovered the shotgun scout. I like the shotgun =D

Yea and thats what the nerf is really about so that not everyone in the game is using it but something else will replace it. They'll probably come after my mass driver next. Which if that is the case CCP please don't do anything beyond lowering clip size... P.S. its not like 6 barreled grenade launchers don't exist for all those people who keep saying "why do you need six rounds". There is no such thing as overkill please remember this

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1. all av weapons except swarms can hit infantry

2 almost all av weapons out do swarms in direct damage and/or dps

3 all av weapons except swarms can target neutral installations

4 dropships and boosted vehicles easily out run swarms.

5 swarms have one of the most if not the most limited ammo pools

6 you can hide a forge gunner/flaylock/ av nade user. kinda hard not to be noticed with a 6 long and long lasting smoke trails point straight towards you

Good post.
If it's going to be so specific and risky using a swarm launcher, it should at least be a lot more powerful against vehicles.
I think it's ok to outrun by a dropship, otherwise it would be practically impossible to pilot those things with swarm launchers around, but when it hits the damage should be more significant.

The smoke trail is definitely the worst aspect of the SL, i couldn't agree more. At least you could make the trail shorter, so the position of the shooter is not that obvious.


About LAV's, I'd be happy if you reduce the collision damage against infantry, since it's too easy to chase and kill a guy even when it's not running fast.

u have to remember with the swarm launcher is kind of a no skill weapon other than leveling it up it locks on and does the rest. The rest of the av takes skill and position. No auto lock so why should u be rewarded.

They do splash the user if he is close enough..? I just blew myself up!

ok, so how about rebalancing these ARs?

Direct damage is to much? WTF people run around with those things as primary weapons.. I say they didn't nerf them enough they basically did the same damage as mass drivers they're the pistol variants with 3 bullets. what they did to them in my opinion is still pretty stupid now you add bullets so basically 150 damage each hit but instead of 3 times now its 5 or 6 times so essentially nothing has really changed except now you cant kill a heavy in with 3 bullets or destroy a full health tank... as for grenades basically what they did was make you waste SP and made the grenades class 50% less effective. I can understand nerfing the amount of {600 damage mile long radius} contact grenades you get (all though if your off by a little bit It means your life to) but now they all do the exact same damage so there is no reason of leveling up to try and get those grenades when you can just use fused. as for the assault rifles while I admit they aren't supposed to have ultra-super across the map range they are rifles and they need to be able to hit far targets. I can also understand keeping mass drivers at the same damage those are actually believable. the only problem I have with "murder taxis" is the amount of shield and resistance they have, they are basically tanks.. they can take more punishment than my freaking gunloggi can which is really dumb. I understand they are logistics LAVs but then again my tank costs about 1.6m. so tell me; why did they nerf the biggest slowest most expensive things on the field? because some kids complained that their militia swarm launcher and their tier 1 AV grenades didn't break the shields right, right well here's a thought that you too at CCP should think about- Does that make any sense?


closing thoughts-(lol)
- the only things that should be able to destroy tanks like nothing are vehicle based weapons like installations or... other tanks.
oh and the precision strikes, not 1 guy with a wiyrkomi. either nerf anti vehicles or as a matter of fact I wont even say fully buff tanks... all I'm asking for is more resistance and maybe more pg/cpu for the enforcers seeing as how they are equivalent to prototype class stuff.

[u have to remember with the swarm launcher is kind of a no skill weapon other than leveling it up it locks on and does the rest. The rest of the av takes skill and position. No auto lock so why should u be rewarded.

What CCP did to "solve" the murder taxi exploit does not work. Many people found out that the militia vehicle that used to be 2 av gernade kill is now 4 and his is only making it worse giving the murder taxi more health. Also the Invisaiility glitch has not been fixed how you actualy do it is you go into the blackscreen bug and keep pressing start on your controller if done correctly you will be invisable. Along with the massdriver exploit the massdriver is over powered and needs to be nerfed I lost 6 prototype heavies to a massdriver the shells it shoots in splash damage is stronger than the flaylock was and still is. CCP I will not play dust 514 until the scrambler rifle,murder taxi and massdriver is nerfed.

I'd rather there NOT be more mid-range ARs. I've been shot out of my sniper spot by AR fire from over 150 yards before by a GEK. The Tactical, I could understand, but not your run of the mill combat rifle.

Also, when are we getting a Scrambler Sniper? Shields are still pesky and the fix you promised to make them more detectable hasn't come in yet.