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NIGGSWORM
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:28:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvj5wHZ5Zkk |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:36:00 -
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Anyone else seem to find the villain of the video kind of cool? Maybe it's just me. |
Nack Jicholson
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:37:00 -
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Yup, that's good commentary on the state of DUST. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:40:00 -
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Here's the problem. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:43:00 -
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If you look closely though, the tanker is oblivious to the super, awesome guy who is sneaking up on him.
Why would you remain stationary anyways? |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:44:00 -
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How in the heck you are able to create such a name as that? Niggsworm? Really? White sheet over the head much? |
Adelia Lafayette
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:49:00 -
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both those videos pyrex's and the power creep lecture explain what dust is plagued by atm. |
NIGGSWORM
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:50:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:How in the heck you are able to create such a name as that? Niggsworm? Really? White sheet over the head much?
?? |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:50:00 -
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bump! |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:50:00 -
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hey look thts a good tank fit. Dies to 4 av nades. Lol where is tht guy who said he couldn't kill a tank with 5 nades and 3 swarms. XD Lol.
TBH tht is a good fit. |
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Pje251296
KILL ORDERS
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:52:00 -
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Both vids are so true. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:52:00 -
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08:56
For anyone who says tanks cant be solo'd, watch that. this is the king of anti-infantry fits, btw. no tanks can stand up to proto av. thank you. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:52:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:If you look closely though, the tanker is oblivious to the super, awesome guy who is sneaking up on him.
Why would you remain stationary anyways?
Its kind of sad though that he can be killed by grenades before being able to respond at all though.
To OP:
I dunno if you read these comments Pyrex but great video, hits on a lot of points that high SP players suffering atm. Prototype gear is so much more poewrful than adv/std gear that we all feel that we have to run proto gear (doesn't matter of its true, its just the mentality this game fosters).
So we have sit on our one build we can use, and know that its months of grinding to change it up at all... and it makes this game feel so stale and boring. PC was supposed to help alleviate that but no one wants to play in PC.
I dunno... I don't have a lot of answers, but I do think they need to buff up std and adv gear so that proto suits aren't so overwhelmingly powerful.
Should probably be a maximum of a 10-15% power differential tier to tier. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:55:00 -
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In my honest opinion I'd like to say that you misinterpret the lecture on powercreep. CCP didn't make AV strong because they wanted to do a quick job of it. They made it so because a person who has speced into tanks wouldn't hold more power than their infantry friends. Dust isn't an MMO like WOW and there aren't simply enough content so that CCP would use the easy button and give players pure power instead of creative ideas. How would they had run out of ideas if they haven't released the third of the content they have planned? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:57:00 -
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Thanks for the share, classic DUST |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:59:00 -
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OP OP OP OP OPPA GANGNAM STYLE! |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:00:00 -
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That is obviously and active module tanks, so why would you expect it to survive Pro nades with a nanohive to back them up when the tank itself isn't running the modules?
Not to sound like a **** I must say that I took care to not pop up on his radar, I crouched and moved like a turtle until I felt it was the moment to strike. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:00:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:If you look closely though, the tanker is oblivious to the super, awesome guy who is sneaking up on him.
Why would you remain stationary anyways?
Yes, you can spam the grenade throw button, everyone here is so impressed by your skill.
You can leave now that someone has acknowledged your existence. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:03:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:If you look closely though, the tanker is oblivious to the super, awesome guy who is sneaking up on him.
Why would you remain stationary anyways? Yes, you can spam the grenade throw button, everyone here is so impressed by your skill. You can leave now that someone has acknowledged your existence.
Thanks. I just wanted to point out that this isn't a situation on which to base the current tank situation. And why are you so aggressive? |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:09:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:If you look closely though, the tanker is oblivious to the super, awesome guy who is sneaking up on him.
Why would you remain stationary anyways? Yes, you can spam the grenade throw button, everyone here is so impressed by your skill. You can leave now that someone has acknowledged your existence. Thanks. I just wanted to point out that this isn't a situation on which to base the current tank situation. And why are you so aggressive?
Because you are like a child, posting over and over again until someone responds to you, you even made two more posts in the time it took me to respond to the one I quoted. And the fact that you run with just AV nades and can solo an admittedly well-fitted tank IS something to base the current tank situation on. |
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:18:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:If you look closely though, the tanker is oblivious to the super, awesome guy who is sneaking up on him.
Why would you remain stationary anyways? Yes, you can spam the grenade throw button, everyone here is so impressed by your skill. You can leave now that someone has acknowledged your existence. Thanks. I just wanted to point out that this isn't a situation on which to base the current tank situation. And why are you so aggressive? Because you are like a child, posting over and over again until someone responds to you, you even made two more posts in the time it took me to respond to the one I quoted. And the fact that you run with just AV nades and can solo an admittedly well-fitted tank IS something to base the current tank situation on.
I understand the current tank situation is very gloomy and I'm sorry about my hyper-active reaction but I just couldn't stand people using this as a proof that tanks are OP. As I stated - the tank is obviously active fitted and at the moment of it's death it had it's modules off. Another thing that got me to post was someone using the Extra Credits video as reason why AV is so powerful. I love Extra Credits and this video always has stayed in my memory so I just had to post when I felt it was misinterpreted. That is all. I understand that internet is a place with no consequences but why try to insult me and call me a kid? That's simply unnecessary. |
Princeps Marcellus
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.22 22:07:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:That is obviously and active module tanks, so why would you expect it to survive Pro nades with a nanohive to back them up when the tank itself isn't running the modules?
Not to sound like a **** I must say that I took care to not pop up on his radar, I crouched and moved like a turtle until I felt it was the moment to strike.
Pretty much this. Pyrex has made it quite clear that he uses a keyboard and mouse, and this combined with the fact that he prefers using active modules easily explains why he can't take a hit from AV nades. |
NIGGSWORM
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 22:19:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:That is obviously and active module tanks, so why would you expect it to survive Pro nades with a nanohive to back them up when the tank itself isn't running the modules?
Not to sound like a **** I must say that I took care to not pop up on his radar, I crouched and moved like a turtle until I felt it was the moment to strike. Pretty much this. Pyrex has made it quite clear that he uses a keyboard and mouse, and this combined with the fact that he prefers using active modules easily explains why he can't take a hit from AV nades.
active modules are good when you know when to use them... and active mods on armor tanks are particular good when you have 2 of them |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 22:24:00 -
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His point on the inability to switch up gameplay is really good though.
It's the reason why a lot of people are quitting and why ill probably end up burning out here soon too. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.22 22:25:00 -
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NIGGSWORM wrote:Michael Arck wrote:How in the heck you are able to create such a name as that? Niggsworm? Really? White sheet over the head much? ??
I think he is implying, at first glance, that your name appears to be a bit "cough" racist "cough". |
NIGGSWORM
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 22:31:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:NIGGSWORM wrote:Michael Arck wrote:How in the heck you are able to create such a name as that? Niggsworm? Really? White sheet over the head much? ?? I think he is implying, at first glance, that your name appears to be a bit "cough" racist "cough".
so nigg is racist well i bet if my name was nergro it would also be racist even tho it means black in Spanish? |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 22:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:His point on the inability to switch up gameplay is really good though.
It's the reason why a lot of people are quitting and why ill probably end up burning out here soon too.
This is the exact reason I've been ranting about the dropsuit progression skill tree. If you HAVE TO GO THROUGH every suit size to reach Heavy, you avoid feeling left out when someone tells you to go Medium or Light, because you already have those skills.
And if Assault is the new meta, then you've already got Medium dropsuits 3, enough to play a quasi assault role in a basic medium frame suit.
Oh gosh, then everyone trains everything on their main? EXACTLY. The only question is what order you train things in; exact same dilemma as EVE pilots experience, except they get over 200 ships to choose from while we have barely a dozen suits and vehicles.
It's time for DUST to learn why EVE's systems work. It's all fine and dandy to want to make something different, but you can't break or bend the rules if you don't know them to begin with.
And by Jove, DUST seems to have no idea why EVE works. We're reinventing the wheel without knowing what a wheel looks like. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:23:00 -
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"Seems like the same people every time"
Does he play only Ambush and not skirmish?
I think a lot of people only play Skirmish...so he might not be seeing everyone.
Also has he looked at the number of players online graphs?
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
It is time coded so he can see how many people are playing at what time. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:32:00 -
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hooc order wrote:"Seems like the same people every time" Does he play only Ambush and not skirmish? I think a lot of people only play Skirmish...so he might not be seeing everyone. Also has he looked at the number of players online graphs? http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustIt is time coded so he can see how many people are playing at what time.
I'm not even sure i believe that anymore. Take a zero off the end and it would be more believable. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:35:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:That is obviously and active module tanks, so why would you expect it to survive Pro nades with a nanohive to back them up when the tank itself isn't running the modules?
Not to sound like a **** I must say that I took care to not pop up on his radar, I crouched and moved like a turtle until I felt it was the moment to strike. Pretty much this. Pyrex has made it quite clear that he uses a keyboard and mouse, and this combined with the fact that he prefers using active modules easily explains why he can't take a hit from AV nades.
I don't see infantry running around with modules on. You have to understand that it took 3 seconds for his tank to go from 6600 armor to 0. In 3 seconds, he lost 1.4 million isk (maybe more around 8k for that tank but a tank with a better turret would be 1.4); now he has to grind 4-6 games in free gear, raking in 250k a match to break even. That is not balance. Our deaths are far more costly than the most expensive infantry fit. Even if a tank goes 30:0 and kills 4 tanks, he will still not take in more than 400k, on average, and it still isn't balanced. Infantry have the option of running cheap gear, getting killed a lot, and profitin; tanks do not. Running a cheap tank outside of the redline will get you killed every single time if the enemy tank has proto AV. So we are forced to run top of the line fits that cost between 800k, 1.4 mil, and 2.5 mil to have a chance at profit. The risk vs reward balance does not exist due to how hard it is to make a tank last between 4( for lower grade decent tanks) to 2.5 (for the most expensive tanks). Bc of the murder taxi situation, every player with over 10mil SP that is intelligent has one type of AV by now, and that means that going up against a full squad of good players means that calling a tank = death. It is not this way for infantry running a proto suit, as I can take a proto suit against the same team and not die- and i dont even have a good gun game compared to the really good players.
gear-based matchamking would fix this, as std tanks would only go against standard gear and profit would be much easier because most good tankers can handle 3 std AV guys before theyre in trouble. The crappy tankers might take 1-2, and the best take 4-5. That is balance.
Honestly, it isn't even that tanks are weak or tanks are UP, but that we have PRO AV going against STD tanks. It's the same issue as squads of proto players stomping a team of newberries. Then the newberries/tankers redline snipe and everyone gets mad.
The tank problem is all based on matchmaking and this is why matchamking based on SP or WP would drive all of the senior tankers away, as EVERY match would be against squads of proto AV. Matchmaking would solve a host of issues (except LLAV issue...I use them and they are easily prototype, as it takes about 3 wiki swarms to take one of them down. |
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