When did they nerf the GaLogi? Source plz.

They increased our shield depleted recharge time by 2 seconds. They nerfed the Caldari logistics, buffed the Caldari assault, and buffed the Amarr logistics.

The shield depleted was a logi wide nerf. Kind of lame, but w/e. As long as they don't limit us to sidearms or some of the other crazy ideas people came up with, looking for easy kills, I think we'll all live.

Still a nerf! What I dont get is why people want logis to have lower survivability than Assaults, we trade speed, base HP, and fire power to increase their survivability but who is out there looking out for us? Assaults? I beg to differ. Now i do believe asssults should get a damage bonus instead of shield recharge bonus, but we should have higher HP to differentiate assaults as the damage dealers and we the damage soakers and heal givers, unless they let repair tools heal the user :) If they are going to give us lower HP then they should give us higher speed and a side arm.

Damage soakers are heavies.
You should be a dumb version of the assault in terms of everything combat related, but in exchange you get to be VERY versatile with 4 equipment.

Damage soakers are heavies.
You should be a dumb version of the assault in terms of everything combat related, but in exchange you get to be VERY versatile with 4 equipment.

I think a better word choice would be survivability. Logis are way slower, making them easier to hit. Being bright yellow doesn't help either. The larger buffer makes sense because we're the ones drawing fire. Assaults have faster (shield) regeneration, giving them more survivability between engagements.

So...
Why make them slower if you then give them better survivability compensating for that?


There is no reason to compensate you for being slower, you already get equipment.

I guess it came from CCP's idea of "equipment slows you down herp-derp." Personally, I'd rather things be the opposite where assaults have a higher buffer at the cost of speed while logis are faster, squishier, but can heal faster.

I say no.
You should have no upsides to being a logi other than having equipment.
Not speed.
Not eHP.
Nada.

I say no.
You should have no upsides to being a logi other than having equipment.
Not speed.
Not eHP.
Nada.

Then how the hell do you expect me to finish off the guy that killed you and stick a needle in your ass?

Yay for being the inspiration to this thread, thank you. It seems we've gone a little off topic with all this talk of logis, but this still applies to the Gallente logi so that's okay I guess.

The thing Gallente need more than anything is some kind of defining attribute, and at the moment they have none. They are literally inferior or equal to the Caldari suit in every way. Gallente getting more base armour is not going to fix the problem, but it's a start. A tiny addition to speed would be good too so we're not Minmatar or Caldari fast, but it would offset the speed reduction penalty.

Hopefully we will get racial bonuses that will balance things out because right now, adding extra hp is only going to help us survive an extra bullet and adding new modules is just going to help dual tankers anyway so the gap stays the same.

The bottom line: extra hp and speed for Gallente is a step in the right direction.

You have a gun.

It's not your job to be a frontline fighter, but you can sure as hell finish people off.

You have a gun.

It's not your job to be a frontline fighter, but you can sure as hell finish people off.

Yeah, I'll kill them with my hacking speed, that'll show em'

So assuming you have the same fit as an assault (no extra modules) and and you have all the other downsides that exist right now (No sidearm, 0.3 less speed, -60base HP) you will be an assault with 4 equipment, 60 less eHP, 0.3 less speed and no sidearm.
Oh yeah, you're totally gimped and incapable of taking down enemies!
Who needs hacking speed when you can still use an assault rifle with 425 DPS at the base level with no damage mods or proficiency

So assuming you have the same fit as an assault (no extra modules) and and you have all the other downsides that exist right now (No sidearm, 0.3 less speed, -60base HP) you will be an assault with 4 equipment, 60 less eHP, 0.3 less speed and no sidearm.
Oh yeah, you're totally gimped and incapable of taking down enemies!
Who needs hacking speed when you can still use an assault rifle with 425 DPS at the base level with no damage mods or proficiency

I have suggested that armor suits get a buff of 30% HP, or around 150-250 higher armor HP. This would be enough to account for explosives and the amount of weapons made to kill armor. It does not account for speed though, and the fact we lose 1 low due to repairers, which cuts that HP difference by -66.

150-250 hp is far too much. We currently have 210 base, so 30% couls be rounded to an extra plate at 65hp? 275 base hp sounds good to me...

Yeah, you're right, the AR is OP.

150 is to account for most weapons made to kill armor, with all high damage weapons and explosives, and the high ROF weapons.

30% of our base HP is nothing, although 30% of armor modules would be good.

also if you summed up base HP of both suits, added 150 to the Gallente and divided its around 30%, if you account for resistances and weapon efficiancy 30% more armor HP means that we would have the same EHP.

I have to argue that if what you're saying is true, then why bother equipping basic plates? I personally use two basic plates and a complex repper and I often do quite well. I would welcome that 65 base hp so I could fit a catalyzer or a cardiac stim instead of needing to stack armour. Asking for even double at 130 seems a little too much as it would negate the use for any of my basic plates.

Gal Logis could use a buff to passive. Cal gets max Shield stack + fast recharge, Min gets speed + Shield stack, even Amarr gets a side-arm and fastest armor repair rate to help it survive. Gallente gets nothing to help them survive.

I have suggested that armor suits get a buff of 30% HP, or around 150-250 higher armor HP. This would be enough to account for explosives and the amount of weapons made to kill armor. It does not account for speed though, and the fact we lose 1 low due to repairers, which cuts that HP difference by -66.

gallente need love. Our strd logi only has 2 low slots not to mention the abysmal armor tank mechanics with overtaxed modules.

And for the love of god; whatever you do CCP, do not change our logi bonus. Add something but do not eliminate our reduction to CPU and Powergrid of equipment. We are the only logi's with a true focus on equipments And I would hate seng that being replaced with nanohive cluster amount or some nonsense. Add to the suits logistical capabilities but do not substract.

You talking base or with mods? Honestly 30% seems extreme. Some slight buffs to the plates & very small buffs to reppers and that's really close (tweaks to shields and module layouts also would help.)

Why do you need a resistance (meaning hp buff) to explosives, they only do an extra 20%? Laser weapons do the same amount to shields do they get an extra 20% to compensate? I know explosives have the splash, and this REALLY needs changed for the FP, but lasers have the extreme range that seems like a tradeoff.