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Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:26:00 -
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When i 1st played this game during the E3 build in closed beta i had no idea what it was... at 1st i thouhgt it would be playstation's version of halo. After further playing the game i got more into it and saw the oportunity to mak a change to how i play games, when i saw that i could spec into vehicles i was excited because i thought i finally found something different from the same old boring FPS games like CoD and BF etc etc and decided to go into tanking because i wanted to be the biggest weapon on the battlefield and i wanted a change from boring assault riffles and i was for quite some time... i had a good time during closed beta regardless of the AV/Vehicle balance issue.
When i got into the forums, i didnt have a warm welcome (i guess nobody has a warm welcome in game forums) and i wasnt sure about what i was doing there.. but after getting myself involved in the varius discussions i found myself with a common group.
As time progressed i skilled more into tanks and became the tanker i am now over the entire duration of playing Dust 514. the biggest issue i have ever had was with the infantry of this game, it seems as though all the infantry of this game wants this to be a CoD clone or BF clone where vehicles are basically useless and have no reason to be in the game to begin with.... i have tried my best to stand between them and total CoDization of Dust 514 and iv had people stand with me in the matter as well as against me.
Throughout my time playing this game i had high hopes for it thinking to myself "when this game gets out its going to change the history of gaming istelf and define the future of all MMO FPS games to come" and "im glad that im apart of this game's history, now i have something i can say "yeah i was there when this was 1st starting out and i was there during all the old times when things were getting good and epic strugles were making history"".
But i have come to reality that this game's future is bleak and very uncertain if it will survive to the end of this year, all the balancing that CCP has been trying to do is continuosly breaking this game more and more, i believe that Chromosome was when the vehicle/av balance was near perfection but CCP has thrown that all away for the infantry players that constantly cry "nerf" when they cant one shot something and they get killed by something thats meant to kill them... if you dont believe me then look through this game's history and the forums, youl find countless examples if this..
Throughout the forums and history of this game, CCP has always donw what the infantry had wanted them to do, CCP has never once listened to the people who have actually skilled into and used the items and equipment that CCP is nerfing, instead they always listen the infantry whinners that have never even tried to use the stuff themselves, nerfing everything into the ground and thus the result is the state of the game we are in now..
The funny thing is that you infantry call tankers QQers when we get nerfed and want compensation for something that weve lost and tell us to adapt or die, yet when you get nerfed (your logi suit is going to become what a logi suit should be, a logi suit, the difference between logi and assault is that assault is meant for attacking and logi is basically support) you believe that your entitled to a respec because you speced into the FOTM OP suit and now your getting nerfed for once.. well now its time for me to say: HTFU its time that you adapt to something for once..
I dont see any hop for the vehicles with the way CCP is hadling them....
I know this goodbye is going to be flamed by CoD fanboys telling me to htfu and adapt to their wishes and bend over to them like CCP has, but whatever.. it doesnt matter anymore. Infantry doesn't know anything about driving tanks yet CCP only listens to them when we are the topic.
Il be watching this games progression and looking for any glimer of hope i can find that tells me that its time to come back.
To my fellow tankers that are remaining (few that i know and dont know), it was fun going against you, destroying your tanks and being destroyed you, the only real thrill iv ever had in this game has been fighting alond side you and against you.. im glad that im part of the best tankers that have been here and gone and im proud to call myself a Tanker to begin with.. thank you for the good times and the funny frustration.
Perhaps il be back one day... until then i say for certain Goodbye and Good luck to the classes that are fighting against the infantry classes over nerfs and buffs, the HAVs are at an end, (we stood against the infantry as long and hard as we could (id say about 2 more nerfs and even new tankers and new guys will never want to skill into tanking)), youl need it. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
212
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:28:00 -
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No one cares. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6335
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:29:00 -
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I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
212
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. We know you guys post **** in the hidden forums, admit it. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
426
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:31:00 -
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Good luck with your projects OP.
I think it's obvious why you and many others are leaving. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6335
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:34:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. We know you guys post **** in the hidden forums, admit it.
Well if it makes you feel better its directed to none of the players. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
161
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:36:00 -
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Personally I think you'd be better served simply planning a break from the game. Assuming 2.0 drops winter/fall this may be a very different place.
If they can destroy the Mass Driver and rebuild it so very fast then anything is possible. Given vehicle history turn around will be longer here, pilots are still waiting on the Dropship love that was promised. I'm still waiting on missiles to make a comeback.
Good luck Void. May whatever gaming you decide on be enjoyable. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
356
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:37:00 -
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LOL he said CoD fanboys. Wasn't that backwards? Also, do you guys always copy and paste each other "I quit" threads? It was goes the same way. You saw the trailer. You thought it would be cool. Several builds later, CCP is not listening. They are incompetent. "Fanboys" are too busy being blinded by the light. You've tried to like this game. You wanted to like this game. Blah blah blah blah blah
You need theme music |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
959
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:38:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. Obviously you haven't been here as long as the rest of us, or you would understand his frustration. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
680
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:42:00 -
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No, OP. You're right man.
I'm no tanker, but I am a niche player. If you have to take a break, take a break. Many of these changes CCP does, without offering a respec is what is going to keep killing it for people. Respecs are always bad, until what you use gets nerfed. Then all of a sudden, it's not fair.
Take it easy man. If the game survives, then we'll see you again. :( Peace |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6335
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:43:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing.
Except the guy is playing chicken little with the sky falling.
Far as I am concerned the bug won't get fixed for a while and correcting it would bring it in line with other repair methods. Either way doesn't seem something that can be fixed with a hotfix. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:43:00 -
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I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. Except the guy is playing chicken little with the sky falling. Far as I am concerned the bug won't get fixed for a while and correcting it would bring it in line with other repair methods. Either way doesn't seem something that can be fixed with a hotfix.
the common sense solution would be to buff shield regens and hardeners so they match armor tanks, but instead they listen to players like you.. do you notice that hardly anyone shield tanks because they are useless? and you want to make armor the same way.. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:51:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD.
listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6335
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:53:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. Except the guy is playing chicken little with the sky falling. Far as I am concerned the bug won't get fixed for a while and correcting it would bring it in line with other repair methods. Either way doesn't seem something that can be fixed with a hotfix. the common sense solution would be to buff shield regens and hardeners so they match armor tanks, but instead they listen to players like you.. do you notice that hardly anyone shield tanks because they are useless? and you want to make armor the same way..
Common Sense is all the prejudices you've collected by age 18.
Wisdom is taking what little you know and making the most of it, which dictates to take the entire environment and ecology of vehicles on the battlefield, fully re-examine, and fully rebuild the environment so they have a proper and prim place on the field. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:54:00 -
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Can I haz tank?
Real talk, it isn't being popped that angers me, it is that one pop. I can't make a profit at 200k-450k vs 800k-1.5m
I too question the placement of vehicles. I just doubt the present audience can really handle it. Look at things
Scouts too hard to hit, nerf scouts
Armor was nerfed before it let the drawing board
The common ground was AR. AR is king. It feels to a point that "shields and Ar? No? GTFO NOOB!" And it is honestly wearing thin trying to talk to anyone about. Some days, yes, I do play with randoms. Even join their squads. Ask for a rep? I insulted an humiliated. Who cars I got more WP, dare I wasn't FOTM
Void, never fought as a green dot, but I treasure the few times you were a blue. A few times out killing you, and another, recalling my gear, suicide, rep tool, then sitting inside your luxery vehicle and repping it.
Dont give up home on the game, be weedy of the player base
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Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
212
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:55:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. Obviously you haven't been here as long as the rest of us, or you would understand his frustration. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. What the hell did you just freaking say about me, you little homo sapien? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the EVE Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Amarr Empire, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in Skirmish warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire DUST Armed Forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the hell out with precision, the likes of which has never been seen before on this Universe, mark my words. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. Except the guy is playing chicken little with the sky falling. Far as I am concerned the bug won't get fixed for a while and correcting it would bring it in line with other repair methods. Either way doesn't seem something that can be fixed with a hotfix. the common sense solution would be to buff shield regens and hardeners so they match armor tanks, but instead they listen to players like you.. do you notice that hardly anyone shield tanks because they are useless? and you want to make armor the same way.. Common Sense is all the prejudices you've collected by age 18. Wisdom is taking what little you know and making the most of it, which dictates to take the entire environment and ecology of vehicles on the battlefield, fully re-examine, and fully rebuild the environment so they have a proper and prim place on the field.
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that.. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:58:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. Obviously you haven't been here as long as the rest of us, or you would understand his frustration. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. What the hell did you just freaking say about me, you little homo sapien? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the EVE Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Amarr Empire, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in Skirmish warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire DUST Armed Forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the hell out with precision, the likes of which has never been seen before on this Universe, mark my words.
he called you an *******, and nobody cares about your gloating over what youv done in another game |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:58:00 -
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I play shield tank. Common sense or not, I know I'm gimped. So, I use logic to win my fights. At least keep moving at all times. My problem is that I can't and never be able to face armor head on, or side. At best, be part of an ambush on it. Mostly with iffy results.
But let's not forgo the LAI DAI AV with nano. He can, but my turret can't. |
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Zero Harpuia
WarRavens League of Infamy
622
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:58:00 -
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You shant be missed, thanks for all the whine and thread, think I'll make a royal purple jacket. |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
289
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:59:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:When i 1st played this game during the E3 build in closed beta i had no idea what it was... at 1st i thouhgt it would be playstation's version of halo. After further playing the game i got more into it and saw the oportunity to mak a change to how i play games, when i saw that i could spec into vehicles i was excited because i thought i finally found something different from the same old boring FPS games like CoD and BF etc etc and decided to go into tanking because i wanted to be the biggest weapon on the battlefield and i wanted a change from boring assault riffles and i was for quite some time... i had a good time during closed beta regardless of the AV/Vehicle balance issue.
When i got into the forums, i didnt have a warm welcome (i guess nobody has a warm welcome in game forums) and i wasnt sure about what i was doing there.. but after getting myself involved in the varius discussions i found myself with a common group.
As time progressed i skilled more into tanks and became the tanker i am now over the entire duration of playing Dust 514. the biggest issue i have ever had was with the infantry of this game, it seems as though all the infantry of this game wants this to be a CoD clone or BF clone where vehicles are basically useless and have no reason to be in the game to begin with.... i have tried my best to stand between them and total CoDization of Dust 514 and iv had people stand with me in the matter as well as against me.
Throughout my time playing this game i had high hopes for it thinking to myself "when this game gets out its going to change the history of gaming istelf and define the future of all MMO FPS games to come" and "im glad that im apart of this game's history, now i have something i can say "yeah i was there when this was 1st starting out and i was there during all the old times when things were getting good and epic strugles were making history"".
But i have come to reality that this game's future is bleak and very uncertain if it will survive to the end of this year, all the balancing that CCP has been trying to do is continuously breaking this game more and more, i believe that Chromosome was when the vehicle/av balance was near perfection but CCP has thrown that all away for the infantry players that constantly cry "nerf" when they cant one shot something and they get killed by something thats meant to kill them... if you dont believe me then look through this game's history and the forums, youl find countless examples if this..
Throughout the forums and history of this game, CCP has always donw what the infantry had wanted them to do, CCP has never once listened to the people who have actually skilled into and used the items and equipment that CCP is nerfing, instead they always listen the infantry whinners that have never even tried to use the stuff themselves, nerfing everything into the ground and thus the result is the state of the game we are in now..
The funny thing is that you infantry call tankers QQers when we get nerfed and want compensation for something that weve lost and tell us to adapt or die, yet when you get nerfed (your logi suit is going to become what a logi suit should be, a logi suit, the difference between logi and assault is that assault is meant for attacking and logi is basically support) you believe that your entitled to a respec because you speced into the FOTM OP suit and now your getting nerfed for once.. well now its time for me to say: HTFU its time that you adapt to something for once..
I dont see any hop for the vehicles with the way CCP is hadling them....
I know this goodbye is going to be flamed by CoD fanboys telling me to htfu and adapt to their wishes and bend over to them like CCP has, but whatever.. it doesnt matter anymore. Infantry doesn't know anything about driving tanks yet CCP only listens to them when we are the topic. I don't even understand why they even play this game, if they don't like vehicles then they could just go to another game that doesn't have them, not try to make the vehicles here completely useless.
Il be watching this games progression and looking for any glimer of hope i can find that tells me that its time to come back.
To my fellow tankers that are remaining (few that i know and dont know), it was fun going against you, destroying your tanks and being destroyed you, the only real thrill iv ever had in this game has been fighting alond side you and against you.. im glad that im part of the best tankers that have been here and gone and im proud to call myself a Tanker to begin with.. thank you for the good times and the funny frustration.
Perhaps il be back one day... until then i say for certain Goodbye and Good luck to the classes that are fighting against the infantry classes over nerfs and buffs, the HAVs are at an end, (we stood against the infantry as long and hard as we could (id say about 2 more nerfs and even new tankers and new guys will never want to skill into tanking)), youl need it. Can I have your ISK? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6335
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:00:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that..
Well it seems you have such a hard time keeping one alive you had to resort to using a bug to further your max game edge.
Sica for life yo. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:00:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares. Give the guy a break you a$$hole! He's entitled to his opinion as much as the next guy. Obviously you haven't been here as long as the rest of us, or you would understand his frustration. OP, sorry you have to go bro, but hopefully dust will get better enough so you can return. I still have faith in ccp, but I can see it from your point of view too. We can all hope that ccp knows what they're doing. What the hell did you just freaking say about me, you little homo sapien? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the EVE Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Amarr Empire, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in Skirmish warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire DUST Armed Forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the hell out with precision, the likes of which has never been seen before on this Universe, mark my words. I seen what you did there, amusing, but stale now.
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Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:00:00 -
[25] - Quote
Gigatron Prime wrote:Can I have your ISK?
I was wondering when someone was going to ask that |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:01:00 -
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Good luck in whatever game you go to. I'm continuing the fight, even though I know it's a losing battle. |
Reaper Skordeman
The Reaper Crew PMC
8
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:03:00 -
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I think you need to grant CCP a little more faith. EVE Online has been going solid for over a decade.
You may not like these current changes, but if they truly don't fit, they'll be reworked.
On another note, if you truly hold no faith and wish to give up hope. I suggest two things,
1. Take a break rather than give up on the game. 2. If you give up on the game, please chuck me your ISK, our Corp. could use it! :P
But seriously, just take a break and rest up, have faith in CCP. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
212
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:03:00 -
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Aythadis Smith wrote:[I seen what you did there, amusing, but stale now.
negged |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. I"ll just say "lol."
There's been nothing from CCP, now they're cutting the repper in half, the same repper they've kept through what, 4 builds? All of a sudden, NOW there's a problem with it?
I'll believe it when I see patch notes, or someone from CCP betting their job that vehicles will improve. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:[
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that.. Someone that tried to make militia tanks work... LOL.. he doesn't know what he's talking about, but we all know that. |
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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that..
Well it seems you have such a hard time keeping one alive you had to resort to using a bug to further your max game edge. Sica for life yo. LOL "using a bug."
What should we do, not use vehicles until they "fix" the "bug," because while we're using vehicles we're "cheating?"
You're like a child. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game..
So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
213
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:13:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:he called you an *******, and nobody cares about your gloating over what youv done in another game Dude I can't stand listening to your jargon anymore.
The fact that you talk a lot of **** that you can not back makes me believe that you do a lot of reading and not a lot of tanking. How can you give advice to people without truly understanding what you are saying?
The answer is you can't ..... You can not tell someone something without knowing if it works or not. You have no experience tanking. You hardly know anything
Everything you do know you read on the forum or stole from someone else. You have no factual evidence that it works. You just take advice from credible sources and post them as your own....As an aspiring tanker, who has actually spent time working on my tank, playing and blowing **** up and experimenting: Stop posting.
You don't know what you're talking about.
You know it too. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6336
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:13:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that..
Well it seems you have such a hard time keeping one alive you had to resort to using a bug to further your max game edge. Sica for life yo. LOL "using a bug." What should we do, not use vehicles until they "fix" the "bug," because while we're using vehicles we're "cheating?" You're like a child.
No, I am like a person that thinks its a bit silly to quit over something that has yet to happen or may not just happen without any level of certainty or any outcome whatsoever.
I mean this would be like quitting a job over a rumor you're getting fired when in fact it was a promotion. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
252
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:15:00 -
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CCP you better try some damage control or something, your players are flying out the door left and right. You guys need the make a detailed statement about what you are doing to fix vehicles. CCP BLAM! Where are you. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:16:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:Void Echo wrote:he called you an *******, and nobody cares about your gloating over what youv done in another game Dude I can't stand listening to your jargon anymore. The fact that you talk a lot of **** that you can not back makes me believe that you do a lot of reading and not a lot of tanking. How can you give advice to people without truly understanding what you are saying? The answer is you can't ..... You can not tell someone something without knowing if it works or not. You have no experience tanking. You hardly know anything Everything you do know you read on the forum or stole from someone else. You have no factual evidence that it works. You just take advice from credible sources and post them as your own....As an aspiring tanker, who has actually spent time working on my tank, playing and blowing **** up and experimenting: Stop posting. You don't know what you're talking about. You know it too.
your about one of the 3 other tankers that think that way... and I can post as much as I want and you cant do anything about it, your not a monitor or anyone with power, your just a little punk who thinks to highly of himself.
can someone report their posts so they get deleted, im tired of trolls and I don't want this thread to be ruined by them too |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:17:00 -
[37] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote:Void Echo wrote:he called you an *******, and nobody cares about your gloating over what youv done in another game Dude I can't stand listening to your jargon anymore. The fact that you talk a lot of **** that you can not back makes me believe that you do a lot of reading and not a lot of tanking. How can you give advice to people without truly understanding what you are saying? The answer is you can't ..... You can not tell someone something without knowing if it works or not. You have no experience tanking. You hardly know anything Everything you do know you read on the forum or stole from someone else. You have no factual evidence that it works. You just take advice from credible sources and post them as your own....As an aspiring tanker, who has actually spent time working on my tank, playing and blowing **** up and experimenting: Stop posting. You don't know what you're talking about. You know it too.
You know, its this game call "World of Tanks" that is Free to play too... and have LOTS of Tanks on it. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:17:00 -
[38] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. ooo, burn |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. CoD brought in a casual play to most FPS. Where anyone with a pulse can win and feel good about it. Which in its self, not bad. The problem with that is, it does punish the hardcore.
Who is right and wrong on this, is beyond this discussion. The problem is, the mentality and what it brings here. CCP ( last time I checked) wasn't a "casual" company.
Casual is a Borderlands. Fun for the weekend with a few friends and some beers.
Here.
They are instilling that every action matters. Heck, you can't even join a legit corp with out a DNA sample.
To join a team in brand X game. " can you shoot things and KDR of 2.0?" |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
213
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:20:00 -
[40] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:your about one of the 3 other tankers that think that way... and I can post as much as I want and you cant do anything about it, your not a monitor or anyone with power, your just a little punk who thinks to highly of himself Are you aware that there are people in this world that suck at Dust so much which causes them to be that way?
My friend cy6 for instance is one of those people. He is a scrambler rifle operator that has bad aim and tactical confusion from being colorblind, but you probably do not care about that case either.
Oh well I am not one of those people I have 6mil SP and I play every day.
I would love to see you say something like that to my friend in a game with me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face.
Just my thought. What do you think?
Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6337
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
Aythadis Smith wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. CoD brought in a casual play to most FPS. Where anyone with a pulse can win and feel good about it. Which in its self, not bad. The problem with that is, it does punish the hardcore. Who is right and wrong on this, is beyond this discussion. The problem is, the mentality and what it brings here. CCP ( last time I checked) wasn't a "casual" company. Casual is a Borderlands. Fun for the weekend with a few friends and some beers. Here. They are instilling that every action matters. Heck, you can't even join a legit corp with out a DNA sample. To join a team in brand X game. " can you shoot things and KDR of 2.0?"
Here its like,
can you obey orders? why you leave your last corp? whats your isk income? how do you budget? What is the optimal max range arc for a mass driver? |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
18
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:21:00 -
[42] - Quote
Bye.
You have some kind of god complex and since it doesn't work in-game you are frustrated.
It's good that you are gone.
Farewell in your life. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:22:00 -
[43] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote:Void Echo wrote:your about one of the 3 other tankers that think that way... and I can post as much as I want and you cant do anything about it, your not a monitor or anyone with power, your just a little punk who thinks to highly of himself Are you aware that there are people in this world that suck at Dust so much which causes them to be that way? My friend cy6 for instance is one of those people. He is a scrambler rifle operator that has bad aim and tactical confusion from being colorblind, but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I have 6mil SP and I play every day. I would love to see you say something like that to my friend in a game with me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought. What do you think? Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain.
haha I would gladly say it to your face and your friends face, and just to warn you in the state I live in I can get away with murder if its for defending my home |
Church The Sniper
Gravity Prone EoN.
1
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:24:00 -
[44] - Quote
Again with the "shield tanks are useless" crap the ONLY time my gunnlogi becomes useless i if im frontlining and a front line rugar catches me or if the enemy team overwhelms me with AV, the latter being an issue for all pilots.
Seeing your reasons for leaving and how you argue/what points you bring to the table in the tank petition thread, i say good riddance. |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
213
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:25:00 -
[45] - Quote
You do realize I am only ******* with you, right?
Grab a hold of your nutsack and stop getting so riled up. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6337
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:26:00 -
[46] - Quote
Church The Sniper wrote:Again with the "shield tanks are useless" crap the ONLY time my gunnlogi becomes useless i if im frontlining and a front line rugar catches me or if the enemy team overwhelms me with AV, the latter being an issue for all pilots.
Seeing your reasons for leaving and how you argue/what points you bring to the table in the tank petition thread, i say good riddance.
Which brings into the question does the Op even play as a tank pilot? |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
803
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:26:00 -
[47] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote:You do realize I am only ******* with you, right?
Grab a hold of your nutsack and stop getting so riled up.
well if you were getting trolled by 3+ people in the same thread that constantly try to insult you, you would be getting defensive too |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
213
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:34:00 -
[48] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:You know, its this game call "World of Tanks" that is Free to play too... and have LOTS of Tanks on it. You really need to be careful how you talk about me on the forum, I don't appreciate it. Tone down the disrespect, I don't know where you're from but where I'm from we don't tolerate that. Don't even reply to this, just keep your mouth shut. Consider yourself warned. |
Church The Sniper
Gravity Prone EoN.
1
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Church The Sniper wrote:Again with the "shield tanks are useless" crap the ONLY time my gunnlogi becomes useless i if im frontlining and a front line rugar catches me or if the enemy team overwhelms me with AV, the latter being an issue for all pilots.
Seeing your reasons for leaving and how you argue/what points you bring to the table in the tank petition thread, i say good riddance. Which brings into the question does the Op even play as a tank pilot? Hence the trolling. He does I've even tanked with him, not saying he does it well though "cough" railgun rugar in the city"cough". |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:40:00 -
[50] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You know, its this game call "World of Tanks" that is Free to play too... and have LOTS of Tanks on it. You really need to be careful how you talk about me on the forum, I don't appreciate it. Tone down the disrespect, I don't know where you're from but where I'm from we don't tolerate that. Don't even reply to this, just keep your mouth shut. Consider yourself warned.
Really ? you should be careful yourself who you give warnings to ...It could backfire. |
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Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
806
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Which brings into the question does the Op even play as a tank pilot?
Hence the trolling.
so just because I don't have your opinions on tanking, that makes me wrong about everything.. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:45:00 -
[52] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. CoD brought in a casual play to most FPS. Where anyone with a pulse can win and feel good about it. Which in its self, not bad. The problem with that is, it does punish the hardcore. Who is right and wrong on this, is beyond this discussion. The problem is, the mentality and what it brings here. CCP ( last time I checked) wasn't a "casual" company. Casual is a Borderlands. Fun for the weekend with a few friends and some beers. Here. They are instilling that every action matters. Heck, you can't even join a legit corp with out a DNA sample. To join a team in brand X game. " can you shoot things and KDR of 2.0?" Here its like, can you obey orders? why you leave your last corp? whats your isk income? how do you budget? What is the optimal max range arc for a mass driver? I feel more of a
"2 trains, one leaves Dallas at 12 noon, while the other leaves at 3pm"
Also I budget my suits all on low. Use the good based on PC or the quality of the enemy. No need to go broke on "no bodies" |
Dr Allopathy
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
213
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:45:00 -
[53] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:Really ? you should be careful yourself who you give warnings to ...It could backfire. You don't know who you're fuckin with. I'm a dual specialist MD/Tanker. I work as crowd control for all the blueberries who desparately need it.
I do carry flux grenades, and I have been trained to use them in the event of a pubstomp, and have been trained where to shoot to blow **** up.
I also have a 11 foot railgun that I'm gonna ram up your ass. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
66
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
Oh lookie here, tankers being mad because theyre changing the base stats on something theyve spent all their SP on then complaining about it! HUH sounds a bit like that famous dropsuit nerf HMM... Oh you guys shouldve specced into the shield tank, you always get the best thing nerfed, not the sh**ty thing(shield tanks) buffed. You shouldve known better...
See how ******** that sounds? People need a respec, the tankers should get a respec like everyone, and wait til CCP gets thier sh** together & balanced so you can spec into what you want once the games stable, and stats aren't changing left and right. Seriously. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:50:00 -
[55] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Really ? you should be careful yourself who you give warnings to ...It could backfire. You don't know who you're fuckin with. I'm a dual specialist MD/Tanker. I work as crowd control for all the blueberries who desparately need it. I do carry flux grenades, and I have been trained to use them in the event of a pubstomp, and have been trained where to shoot to blow **** up. I also have a 11 foot railgun that I'm gonna ram up your ass.
So the tanks work fine then ?... now i'm very confuse about this thread... |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
806
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Oh lookie here, tankers being mad because theyre changing the base stats on something theyve spent all their SP on then complaining about it! HUH sounds a bit like that famous dropsuit nerf HMM... Oh you guys shouldve specced into the shield tank, you always get the best thing nerfed, not the sh**ty thing(shield tanks) buffed. You shouldve known better...
See how ******** that sounds? People need a respec, the tankers should get a respec like everyone, and wait til CCP gets thier sh** together & balanced so you can spec into what you want once the games stable, and stats aren't changing left and right. Seriously.
im speced into both shield and armor, both will be useless soon |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. It's infantry wanting vehicles to be made useless. We don't care when they shoot our tanks with ARs, or try to damage them with flaylocks. We DO care when people cry that tanks are overpowered, constantly, when they're given more than effective enough tools to destroy them. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. It's infantry wanting vehicles to be made useless. We don't care when they shoot our tanks with ARs, or try to damage them with flaylocks. We DO care when people cry that tanks are overpowered, constantly, when they're given more than effective enough tools to destroy them.
Some tanks are OP, specially the ones that eats Swarms like candy... they just need to fix those, which i believe is what they doing.
|
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
66
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:59:00 -
[59] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Oh lookie here, tankers being mad because theyre changing the base stats on something theyve spent all their SP on then complaining about it! HUH sounds a bit like that famous dropsuit nerf HMM... Oh you guys shouldve specced into the shield tank, you always get the best thing nerfed, not the sh**ty thing(shield tanks) buffed. You shouldve known better...
See how ******** that sounds? People need a respec, the tankers should get a respec like everyone, and wait til CCP gets thier sh** together & balanced so you can spec into what you want once the games stable, and stats aren't changing left and right. Seriously. im speced into both shield and armor, both will be useless soon That very well might be true if the "bug" is fixed as they say so i'd recommend tankers get a respec with everyone, then spend 600k sp to get a duvolle AR , and accumulate SP on the ground, whilst using MLT geared tanks while CCP gets thier sh** together. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 08:59:00 -
[60] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. It's infantry wanting vehicles to be made useless. We don't care when they shoot our tanks with ARs, or try to damage them with flaylocks. We DO care when people cry that tanks are overpowered, constantly, when they're given more than effective enough tools to destroy them. Some tanks are OP, specially the ones that eats Swarms like candy... they just need to fix those, which i believe is what they doing. ................................ what are you talking about? |
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
66
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 09:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
That way when things are good you can choose a good SP path w/out the fear of getting sh** on by CCPs "Balancing.*" |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 09:05:00 -
[62] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Oh lookie here, tankers being mad because theyre changing the base stats on something theyve spent all their SP on then complaining about it! HUH sounds a bit like that famous dropsuit nerf HMM... Oh you guys shouldve specced into the shield tank, you always get the best thing nerfed, not the sh**ty thing(shield tanks) buffed. You shouldve known better...
See how ******** that sounds? People need a respec, the tankers should get a respec like everyone, and wait til CCP gets thier sh** together & balanced so you can spec into what you want once the games stable, and stats aren't changing left and right. Seriously. im speced into both shield and armor, both will be useless soon Both are about useless. SOON will be the day, tanks are popped by rocks |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
655
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 09:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:[quote=Void Echo]
So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. It's infantry wanting vehicles to be made useless. We don't care when they shoot our tanks with ARs, or try to damage them with flaylocks. We DO care when people cry that tanks are overpowered, constantly, when they're given more than effective enough tools to destroy them. Some tanks are OP, specially the ones that eats Swarms like candy... they just need to fix those, which i believe is what they doing. ................................ what are you talking about?
Ohh, i don't know...20 Swarm missiles hitting a tank simultaneously, and only a quarter of the shields going down.. that is not OP, right ? |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
743
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 09:28:00 -
[64] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote: You have no experience tanking. You hardly know anything
rofl this No Name **** just said that
are you even in the top 1000 Toy? |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
153
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 09:42:00 -
[65] - Quote
Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .
I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.
Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .
Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?
Lets look at some of the arguments:
The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .
I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .
Next argument
Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av . Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .
Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .
So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend
Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).
|
White Mortadela
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
22
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 10:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vickers S Grunt wrote:Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .
I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.
Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .
Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?
Lets look at some of the arguments:
The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .
I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .
Next argument
Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av . Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .
Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .
So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend
Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).
Oh how the mighty have fallen , you were once the best player in the game ,now a noob could take you out with a starter fit |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2210
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 10:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing.
CCP always says the right words. Then they deliver something entirely different (in DUST's case 99% of the time it's crap). |
Purona
The Vanguardians
24
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 10:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
@vick
weaponry 68,400 light weapon operation 133,800 swarm launcher operation 621,840 swarm launcher proficiency 1,554,600 handheld weapon operation 621,840
3,000,480k sp to max swarm launcher damage with 824040 sp being useful for other weapons
vehicle command 6220 galente lav 273,600 galente hav 49,760
329,580 sp to unlock madrugar and nothing else
24,870 932,760 932,760 1,554,600 621,840
4,066,830 sp to max armor skills
310,920 621,840
932,760 sp just to get the power grid to even fit the tank with the necessary powergrid
310,920 932,760
1,243,680 so just to max turret skills
6572850 sp to max tank
and even then you cant put the best proto turret without sacrificing armor or vice versa |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
18
|
Posted - 2013.07.21 10:57:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vickers S Grunt wrote:Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .
I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.
Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .
Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?
Lets look at some of the arguments:
The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .
I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .
Next argument
Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av . Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .
Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .
So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend
Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).
Best post in this thread, change title to "Why tanks are fine" and quote it.
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Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
312
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
As the amount of AV grows, I am left with less and less options. I already fear pushing objectives with my team, because it takes only one person with a proto forge to spawn and kill me. I can't run to safety because I helped the team push into enemy territory. If I do find a spot to hide, it's only a matter of time before someone else with AV spawns.
AV grenades still suck, even for shield tanks. A single grenade does nothing, but anyone who does throw one will throw all three at you. Every single AV grenade drastically reduces our tanking ability, as our boosters can hardly do anything. Two guys with AV grenades will bring my shields down slightly past halfway, and as I'm running it'll take maybe two forge gun shots to finish me. So yes, AV grenades hurt shield as well.
As I start noticing that my close range support fits keep getting blown up more often, my wallet is feeling the effects. How do I stop losing ISK? Simple. Redline snipe. My glass cannon fit actually has the most amount of EHP from all my fits (thanks to having no shield booster). I park myself somewhere that I can see the battlefield, but where I'm no further than a few meters from retreating down a hill. Nobody can get me. Railguns can no longer deal 5000+ damage so I am very safe.
Yes it's boring, but I suddenly lose a whole lot less tanks. And I love my glass cannon. It almost destroyed a Falchion that got two railgun shots on me first. It can take out an RDV without overheating, which means I can get a lot more WPs with those juicy Bolas. Just tell me what's in 1.3 so I can get proto rails. A Particle Cannon will make things much easier. |
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Karazantor
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
Aythadis Smith wrote:Can I haz tank?
Real talk, it isn't being popped that angers me, it is that one pop. I can't make a profit at 200k-450k vs 800k-1.5m
I too question the placement of vehicles. I just doubt the present audience can really handle it. Look at things
Scouts too hard to hit, nerf scouts
Armor was nerfed before it let the drawing board
The common ground was AR. AR is king. It feels to a point that "shields and Ar? No? GTFO NOOB!" And it is honestly wearing thin trying to talk to anyone about. Some days, yes, I do play with randoms. Even join their squads. Ask for a rep? I insulted an humiliated. Who cars I got more WP, dare I wasn't FOTM
Void, never fought as a green dot, but I treasure the few times you were a blue. A few times out killing you, and another, recalling my gear, suicide, rep tool, then sitting inside your luxery vehicle and repping it.
Dont give up home on the game, be weedy of the player base
You mustn't have been here for Beta. At one stage in Beta the tanks were so crazily overpowered that it took half the opposing squad to deal with one, and that of course meant the rest of the allies of the HAV could wipe the floor with them, but I digress.
Perhaps what Iron Wolf Sabre is referring to is that there is different types of tanks being introduced. What we are dealing with is the basic tanks. If we give them all strong repairing systems then the higher tier ones might end up unstoppable crazily overpowered monsters rampaging all over the battlefield destroying all in their path, as they once did.
Give CCP the chance to hotfix this problem, show us the new tanks and then decide. QQ is popular in this game but seriously... |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
502
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
/me pats his Ishukone Assault Forge Gun
We'll be waiting for you when you come back, and you will come back, they all do sooner or later :)
Till then, have a nice breather, we all need it to stop us getting so frustrated with this game. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
Best of luck man. As an AV dude that can solo the best of the best tanks and destroy them I say that CCP ****** you tankers over. My militia scout suit with la di das can pretty much obliterate you guys. 2million plus tank goes boom with 10K.
Peace brah |
sixteensixty4
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:45:00 -
[74] - Quote
dude expects to solo the WHOLE battlefield in his tank
Nout wrong with my tank, still having fun in it, i think your doing it wrong |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
190
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:46:00 -
[75] - Quote
Oh look, it's... nobody. Never mind. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 13:41:00 -
[76] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that..
Well it seems you have such a hard time keeping one alive you had to resort to using a bug to further your max game edge. Sica for life yo.
You are not one of us, nor are you Cubs, Severance Pay, or D S 10. As far as vehicle balance is concerned, you should have no say. |
LudiKure ninda
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
2
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Posted - 2013.07.21 13:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
In my opinion CCP needs to buff tanks speed/torqe and bring back skill 5% PG per lvl. AV should stay the same,bechause they are here to deal with tanks. Yes AV is powerfull,but that is why it is in game. Special weapons against tanks,..only thing AV should be expencive almoust as tanks.Bechause is not fair that (dont know the price) that 10k AV granades kill 1,5 mil tank with fu...n 3 granades!
Also they should make that tank needs at least 2 players to operate it.
If not that then at least do something CCP Bechause now when a one guy with any form of AV is there on the field,especial a whole group of 4,5 guys go on some tower and spaming forguns and swarms,(that is BIG problem) I need to go behind the red line...and that is boring like hell,and I prefer not to go behind a red line,but when Im low os ISK i will.
Do something...
PS Sry for my bad english |
golddust freeman
SpaceGrass inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:20:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vickers S Grunt wrote:Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .
I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.
Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .
Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?
Lets look at some of the arguments:
The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .
I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .
Next argument
Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av . Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .
Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .
So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend
Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).
pfff....
You're right you should be able to 1v1 a tank. They just need to make your gear 800-1.4 mil to fit out then |
Mary Sedillo
BetaMax. CRONOS.
159
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:50:00 -
[79] - Quote
Dr Allopathy wrote:No one cares.
Yes, Allopathy. You are a crap player.
Moving on.
I feel your pain fellow tanker. I've held onto this game for a long time but if this 'fix' is implemented, I'm out as well. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:When i 1st played this game during the E3 build in closed beta i had no idea what it was... at 1st i thouhgt it would be playstation's version of halo. After further playing the game i got more into it and saw the oportunity to mak a change to how i play games, when i saw that i could spec into vehicles i was excited because i thought i finally found something different from the same old boring FPS games like CoD and BF etc etc and decided to go into tanking because i wanted to be the biggest weapon on the battlefield and i wanted a change from boring assault riffles and i was for quite some time... i had a good time during closed beta regardless of the AV/Vehicle balance issue.
When i got into the forums, i didnt have a warm welcome (i guess nobody has a warm welcome in game forums) and i wasnt sure about what i was doing there.. but after getting myself involved in the varius discussions i found myself with a common group.
As time progressed i skilled more into tanks and became the tanker i am now over the entire duration of playing Dust 514. the biggest issue i have ever had was with the infantry of this game, it seems as though all the infantry of this game wants this to be a CoD clone or BF clone where vehicles are basically useless and have no reason to be in the game to begin with.... i have tried my best to stand between them and total CoDization of Dust 514 and iv had people stand with me in the matter as well as against me.
Throughout my time playing this game i had high hopes for it thinking to myself "when this game gets out its going to change the history of gaming istelf and define the future of all MMO FPS games to come" and "im glad that im apart of this game's history, now i have something i can say "yeah i was there when this was 1st starting out and i was there during all the old times when things were getting good and epic strugles were making history"".
But i have come to reality that this game's future is bleak and very uncertain if it will survive to the end of this year, all the balancing that CCP has been trying to do is continuously breaking this game more and more, i believe that Chromosome was when the vehicle/av balance was near perfection but CCP has thrown that all away for the infantry players that constantly cry "nerf" when they cant one shot something and they get killed by something thats meant to kill them... if you dont believe me then look through this game's history and the forums, youl find countless examples if this..
Throughout the forums and history of this game, CCP has always donw what the infantry had wanted them to do, CCP has never once listened to the people who have actually skilled into and used the items and equipment that CCP is nerfing, instead they always listen the infantry whinners that have never even tried to use the stuff themselves, nerfing everything into the ground and thus the result is the state of the game we are in now..
The funny thing is that you infantry call tankers QQers when we get nerfed and want compensation for something that weve lost and tell us to adapt or die, yet when you get nerfed (your logi suit is going to become what a logi suit should be, a logi suit, the difference between logi and assault is that assault is meant for attacking and logi is basically support) you believe that your entitled to a respec because you speced into the FOTM OP suit and now your getting nerfed for once.. well now its time for me to say: HTFU its time that you adapt to something for once..
I dont see any hop for the vehicles with the way CCP is hadling them....
I know this goodbye is going to be flamed by CoD fanboys telling me to htfu and adapt to their wishes and bend over to them like CCP has, but whatever.. it doesnt matter anymore. Infantry doesn't know anything about driving tanks yet CCP only listens to them when we are the topic. I don't even understand why they even play this game, if they don't like vehicles then they could just go to another game that doesn't have them, not try to make the vehicles here completely useless.
Il be watching this games progression and looking for any glimer of hope i can find that tells me that its time to come back.
To my fellow tankers that are remaining (few that i know and dont know), it was fun going against you, destroying your tanks and being destroyed you, the only real thrill iv ever had in this game has been fighting alond side you and against you.. im glad that im part of the best tankers that have been here and gone and im proud to call myself a Tanker to begin with.. thank you for the good times and the funny frustration.
Perhaps il be back one day... until then i say for certain Goodbye and Good luck to the classes that are fighting against the infantry classes over nerfs and buffs, the HAVs are at an end, (we stood against the infantry as long and hard as we could (id say about 2 more nerfs and even new tankers and new guys will never want to skill into tanking)), youl need it.
Another pout thread.... See you at the tournament...
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
233
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
I am no tank commander... but i agree with this post....i miss the good old days when i could look at a tank commander and know that if i was pinned down by the enemy he would come to my aid and dispatch them swiftly....now they cant even get out of the deployment area because they will just be torn to shreds....the only thing that should be able to do that to them is proto av with maxed damage...they are tanks for crying out loud...they are supposed to be the kings of the battlefield.....but all the competitive sport tryhards got there wish.....now the tanks are not worth much.....hey man dont quit this game just yet....who knows the tanks might get there rightful place on the throne again.....As kings! |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
192
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:19:00 -
[82] - Quote
Yes, its a pout thread but its not like Void is only part of a handful of people that have hung up the sticks on DUST.
Many top tier players have burnt out on the grind and lack of anything new this year. More and more people are migrating away from this game every day. Dont believe me? Check out - http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
When Uprising hit, there were 8-9k people playing this game every day. Then, about a month or so later it was down to around 6k per day. Now? We are at 4-5k max. Skirmish matches now dont fill up until you are actually in the match.
1.4 will be the deciding patch for this game. If it holds to true to the cycle, it will be out in late August to early September. It has to be a game-changer (new maps, filling out the suits, new vehicles) or people will give up. Why? Because that would mean that the next big content update would probably not be until 1.6 (considering 1.5 will probably be another balance/adjustment patch) which would not be out until late October/November. By that time, the top clans will just be waiting for the release titles for PS4.
Apathy reigns supreme in this game right now. I have 3.5mil unallocated SP because I refuse to invest in anything because it might be the next nerf target. Im one of the guys who are waiting for jets to hit and I probably wont invest in anything until they get here or I quit. I will be happy if they even announce when jets are coming in the next three months but I doubt that will even happen given CCPs superb communication skills.
1.4 or BUSTGäó |
TunRa
The Vanguardians
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
TL;DR Go do what I did and make a alt. I don't use my tanks right now because they are so ****** up so I speced into heavys and I'm killing everyone. Otherwise goodbye no one care. |
Pvt Numnutz
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
84
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:05:00 -
[84] - Quote
Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1102
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
Pvt Numnutz wrote:Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers
You talk like infantry matters.. dude with swarms just has to lock on and fire... the fact that there is infantry between the tank and the AVers is irrelevant. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
455
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
Pvt Numnutz wrote: That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers
Clearly never played in a PC battle.
Tanks cannot push anything when everyone can have proto AV nades. Roll up to within 50 metres, 4 guys throw Lai Dais, tank is dead.
As it stands right now, tanks need to stay way the hell away from infantry in PC, because getting into nade range is pretty much an instakill. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
234
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:14:00 -
[87] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers You talk like infantry matters.. dude with swarms just has to lock on and fire... the fact that there is infantry between the tank and the AVers is irrelevant.
Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
455
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:29:00 -
[88] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:
Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank.
Pretty much any infantry I have ever squaded up with couldn't give a rats ass about protecting my tank.
I have seen blues run away from people with swarm launchers.
I have observed as a squad of infantry allows someone to run through them throwing AV grenades.
I have been almost directly in front of friendly snipers who absolutely refuse to shoot at the guys launching swarms or the FG up high.
I have seen all of these and more, so often, that I have learned that infantry doesn't care at all about a blue tank. The only time they give a crap is when they need you to drop an enemy tank, but as soon as it goes down, you are immediately forgotten about. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1102
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:29:00 -
[89] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers You talk like infantry matters.. dude with swarms just has to lock on and fire... the fact that there is infantry between the tank and the AVers is irrelevant. Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank.
I don't even have a tank (200k SP or so total in vehicles), I'm speaking from AV perspective. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
235
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:34:00 -
[90] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:
Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank.
Pretty much any infantry I have ever squaded up with couldn't give a rats ass about protecting my tank. I have seen blues run away from people with swarm launchers. I have observed as a squad of infantry allows someone to run through them throwing AV grenades. I have been almost directly in front of friendly snipers who absolutely refuse to shoot at the guys launching swarms or the FG up high. I have seen all of these and more, so often, that I have learned that infantry doesn't care at all about a blue tank. The only time they give a crap is when they need you to drop an enemy tank, but as soon as it goes down, you are immediately forgotten about.
Then get a good squad. I'm always repping tanks, even though I get nothing out of it because I know that tank is helping us win, I'm sure plenty of good squad make a priority to protect a well-fit tank from enemy AV. |
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Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
235
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:38:00 -
[91] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers You talk like infantry matters.. dude with swarms just has to lock on and fire... the fact that there is infantry between the tank and the AVers is irrelevant. Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank. I don't even have a tank (200k SP or so total in vehicles), I'm speaking from AV perspective.
Again those Infantry units are keeping you alive, no good AV user with swarms is going to see an Infantry squad and chose to ignore it and solo instead of following behind that squad, because he knows he's nerfed against enemy Infantry. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
696
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:41:00 -
[92] - Quote
Good luck and enjoy whatever you are up to next
/c |
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
455
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:41:00 -
[93] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:
Then get a good squad. I'm always repping tanks, even though I get nothing out of it because I know that tank is helping us win, I'm sure plenty of good squad make a priority to protect a well-fit tank from enemy AV.
So, if you choose to spec into tanks, you better always have a squad with you.
Yeah, that seems reasonable.
Thanks for adding a light repper while I am engaged with a squad of AV, because when they can dump out several thousand HP per second, your 100 hp is really going to help.
But really, if a tank needs a squad with it, why even have the tank at all? Just bring out an assault suit and be better off. |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
197
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:48:00 -
[94] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers You talk like infantry matters.. dude with swarms just has to lock on and fire... the fact that there is infantry between the tank and the AVers is irrelevant. Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank. I don't even have a tank (200k SP or so total in vehicles), I'm speaking from AV perspective. Again those Infantry units are keeping you alive, no good AV user with swarms is going to see an Infantry squad and chose to ignore it and solo instead of following behind that squad, because he knows he's nerfed against enemy Infantry.
No they arent, being on the front line with swarms is insane. If you are a good swarm user, you are a lone hunter. Using an LAV to get to points of the battlefield that give you the best view of your prey. All running with infantry will do is make sure that you are the first one that gets downed.
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Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:51:00 -
[95] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:
Then get a good squad. I'm always repping tanks, even though I get nothing out of it because I know that tank is helping us win, I'm sure plenty of good squad make a priority to protect a well-fit tank from enemy AV.
So, if you choose to spec into tanks, you better always have a squad with you. Yeah, that seems reasonable. Thanks for adding a light repper while I am engaged with a squad of AV, because when they can dump out several thousand HP per second, your 100 hp is really going to help. But really, if a tank needs a squad with it, why even have the tank at all? Just bring out an assault suit and be better off. Tanks can't go threw door ways.
I can see being in a squad with a tank. Tank leading the charge, being defensive and holding down the fort. Nah... we need more red line snipers. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
237
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:54:00 -
[96] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:
Then get a good squad. I'm always repping tanks, even though I get nothing out of it because I know that tank is helping us win, I'm sure plenty of good squad make a priority to protect a well-fit tank from enemy AV.
So, if you choose to spec into tanks, you better always have a squad with you. Yeah, that seems reasonable. Thanks for adding a light repper while I am engaged with a squad of AV, because when they can dump out several thousand HP per second, your 100 hp is really going to help. But really, if a tank needs a squad with it, why even have the tank at all? Just bring out an assault suit and be better off.
Yes, the tank is meant to help you win not win on its own. Just your mere presence is forcing the enemy to AV, nerfing their team against your Infantry units. Roll in the tank as a vanguard for your squad, slaughter infantry and lure in the AV users, pull back and let the Logi rep you while providing cover fire if you can for the Infantry that's slaghtering AV squad that can't defend against them. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:
Ohh, i don't know...20 Swarm missiles hitting a tank simultaneously, and only a quarter of the shields going down.. that is not OP, right ?
Are you referring to militia swarms? Because those aren't very powerful against a well-fit tank. |
Svipdagr Hero
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
26
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:45:00 -
[98] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:
yet you have never even skilled into tanks and you think you know everything about them... that makes no sense...but im finished arguing with you anyway... unless you didn't catch that..
Well it seems you have such a hard time keeping one alive you had to resort to using a bug to further your max game edge. Sica for life yo. LOL "using a bug." What should we do, not use vehicles until they "fix" the "bug," because while we're using vehicles we're "cheating?" You're like a child. No, I am like a person that thinks its a bit silly to quit over something that has yet to happen or may not just happen without any level of certainty or any outcome whatsoever. I mean this would be like quitting a job over a rumor you're getting fired when in fact it was a promotion.
ahahhahahhahah, I have been thinking the same thing over all the complaints about the tank nerf. I still do believe however, that the information about vehicles should come out sooner rather than later. |
Alpha 443-6732
Not Guilty EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Church The Sniper wrote:Again with the "shield tanks are useless" crap the ONLY time my gunnlogi becomes useless i if im frontlining and a front line rugar catches me or if the enemy team overwhelms me with AV, the latter being an issue for all pilots.
Seeing your reasons for leaving and how you argue/what points you bring to the table in the tank petition thread, i say good riddance. Which brings into the question does the Op even play as a tank pilot? Hence the trolling.
You are a joke, IWS.
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
459
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:05:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:
Yes, the tank is meant to help you win not win on its own. Just your mere presence is forcing the enemy to AV, nerfing their team against your Infantry units. Roll in the tank as a vanguard for your squad, slaughter infantry and lure in the AV users, pull back and let the Logi rep you while providing cover fire if you can for the Infantry that's slaghtering AV squad that can't defend against them.
You don't seem to understand. A player with proto packed AV grenades gives up virtually now effectiveness versus infantry, but becomes absolutely lethal to any tank within throwing range.
People don't need swarms, or even forge guns. Two or three guys in a Logi Lav can roll up to any tank and pop it in less than 3 seconds. Given the current bug where you can shoot LAV drivers out very easily will get fixed, and then you are trying to stop a vehicle that WILL get through and drop off their AR armed infantry to pop the tank and then have a fight with your infantry squad, assuming they haven't run them over.
In the current iteration of the game, in PC, a tank cannot go anywhere near infantry. Blaster tank, missile tank, doesn't matter. If you are close enough to be supporting your infantry, you are within AV nade range, and in a competitive match, you will get blown up very fast.
Your suggestions are not even remotely applicable to how vehicles are in the game right now. They sound great, but with the current balance between AV and vehicles right now, they are simply not possible. |
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Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. perhaps you should stop teasing, because you're only pissing everyone off. Either you tell us what's going on, or you shut the **** up.
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
465
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:16:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. perhaps you should stop teasing, because you're only pissing everyone off. Either you tell us what's going on, or you shut the **** up.
The resident hype man apologist that is IWS cannot stop. That is why he was chosen for the CPM. Because CCP can't produce content worthy of being excited about, so they get the fan boys to beat the drum and act as the first line of defense against criticism. |
hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
34
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:23:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. ooo, burn So snarky comments are accept, my snarky comments gets me email warnings for trolling. |
hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
34
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:27:00 -
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sixteensixty4 wrote:dude expects to solo the WHOLE battlefield in his tank Nout wrong with my tank, still having fun in it, i think your doing it wrong Really, you must be the guy that keeps his tanks in ambush. I see you on field i will see how good that tank is......
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1105
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:53:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:
Then get a good squad. I'm always repping tanks, even though I get nothing out of it because I know that tank is helping us win, I'm sure plenty of good squad make a priority to protect a well-fit tank from enemy AV.
So, if you choose to spec into tanks, you better always have a squad with you. Yeah, that seems reasonable. Thanks for adding a light repper while I am engaged with a squad of AV, because when they can dump out several thousand HP per second, your 100 hp is really going to help. But really, if a tank needs a squad with it, why even have the tank at all? Just bring out an assault suit and be better off.
My 150k ISK Cal Logi suit with a GEK will always be 100x better at killing infantry than any tank that I could ever hope to bring to the field.
Its also better at killing tanks than any tank I could ever hope to bring to the field.
So yeah... I fail to see the point of tanks. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1105
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:57:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Again those Infantry units are keeping you alive, no good AV user with swarms is going to see an Infantry squad and chose to ignore it and solo instead of following behind that squad, because he knows he's nerfed against enemy Infantry.
Lol the only time I have trouble killing a tank is when the other team has really good infantry.
But whos doing all the work? The really good infantry... the tank is literally just there to be a distraction.
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sixteensixty4
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 20:00:00 -
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hamual jackson wrote:sixteensixty4 wrote:dude expects to solo the WHOLE battlefield in his tank Nout wrong with my tank, still having fun in it, i think your doing it wrong Really, you must be the guy that keeps his tanks in ambush. I see you on field i will see how good that tank is......
I play skirmish all the time
And its not like i dont loose tanks, just very rarely to av, madrugers are my biggest nightmare, forge guns come second
And when i do loose my tank to av, i "usually" feel like its my own fault, like if i've been sat in one spot for to long
If in skirm all the letters are red and i cant find a pack of blues to help, then im getting the hell outa there and will get the llav out for roadkill instead as i understand the tank isnt and shouldnt be a big "i win" button and it requires a bit of teamplay to keep it alive
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 23:29:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote: Apathy reigns supreme in this game right now. I have 3.5mil unallocated SP because I refuse to invest in anything because it might be the next nerf target. Im one of the guys who are waiting for jets to hit and I probably wont invest in anything until they get here or I quit. I will be happy if they even announce when jets are coming in the next three months but I doubt that will even happen given CCPs superb communication skills.
1.4 or BUSTGäó
And I building bunkier below me house in case Zombe-Apocalipsa. I already collect supplies to survive next two years, clean water, paper, beds.. I have even a small module that allow me to grow vegetables. Don't tell anyone but "THE END" is coming, we need to be prepare for the worst! Bury it in the garden as much canned you can!!!
PS Void Echo, you will come back, because everyone comes back |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Top Men.
840
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Posted - 2013.07.21 23:42:00 -
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I was enjoying your post until you went full dumb with that "Infantry is destroying this Game Rant", it basically became Infantry players are wrong, Vehicle pilots are right type whining at that point.
If it wasn't for us Infantry, we'd be playing a game where Zitro's idea of tanking would dominate the entire game.
Point is, you can't balance a game without both party's. |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens League of Infamy
622
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. So Infantry is CoD fanboys ? ....OR, FPS fanboys ? ... BIG difference. CoD brought in a casual play to most FPS. Where anyone with a pulse can win and feel good about it. Which in its self, not bad. The problem with that is, it does punish the hardcore. Who is right and wrong on this, is beyond this discussion. The problem is, the mentality and what it brings here. CCP ( last time I checked) wasn't a "casual" company. Casual is a Borderlands. Fun for the weekend with a few friends and some beers. Here. They are instilling that every action matters. Heck, you can't even join a legit corp with out a DNA sample. To join a team in brand X game. " can you shoot things and KDR of 2.0?" Here its like, can you obey orders? why you leave your last corp? whats your isk income? how do you budget? What is the optimal max range arc for a mass driver?
That last one is a trick question, it changes every two patches. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6369
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:20:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:
That last one is a trick question, it changes every two patches.
You're expected to know for the current patch at all times. p-p |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
4182
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:23:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game..
Well we can't recall are suits |
Cygnus Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
113
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:26:00 -
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Please
Cygnus Gogela wrote:I cannot recall another ally's vehicle, but if I hack an enemy vehicle I should be able to recall it and add that vehicle to my inventory.
There should also be a two prong module ( -- ) that lets you recall an enemy's dropsuit and salvage if you kill him but do not blow him up to a cinder. If he can be revived I should be able to hack his armor and with that module recall some salvage.
Can we do this? Who's with me?
Send me your stuff OP!!!!
...and thank you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6369
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:27:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. Well we can't recall are suits
We can't recall the clones! its too late they're out the tubes you can't put them back! |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1823
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:29:00 -
[115] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. Such a tease. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:35:00 -
[116] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Void Echo wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I just have one think to say..;
CoD fanboys don't play Dust 514, they play CoD. listen to the infantry whining all through the forums of nerfing this or that.... then youl see, infantry have complete control over this game.. Well we can't recall are suits We can't recall the clones! its too late they're out the tubes you can't put them back!
Oh I'm taking damage I will just recall my suit, Can CCP add this |
Covert Clay
Red Star. EoN.
54
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Posted - 2013.07.22 01:01:00 -
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OK I just read through this whole topic and another one like this. Is it just me or does Iron Wolf Saber keep hinting that he knows something good that we don't? Like maybe we will get our proto tanks back. Or there is going to be a big buff to tanks? Why would they decide to Nerf the armor repping skill now, now of all times, when tanks are at their weakest. Either CCP is trying to kill of tanks and make this game another ****** bland FPS or they have plans to buff tanks in some sort of way or another. Maybe, just maybe, the reason CCP blam hasn't said a word in 2 months is because he has been hard at work. Now I could be horribly wrong, but its still something cool to think about. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
638
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Posted - 2013.07.22 01:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. Well IWS We do not want to see what your seeing. You see CCP as Gods. You worship faulty humans because they gave you a position of power. SO no we do not have access to seeing your false gods. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6372
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Posted - 2013.07.22 01:36:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing. Well IWS We do not want to see what your seeing. You see CCP as Gods. You worship faulty humans because they gave you a position of power. SO no we do not have access to seeing your false gods.
Ah but the prophecy foretold of many great things to come but come they shall in good time and patience warranted and shall be rewarded. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
491
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Posted - 2013.07.22 01:49:00 -
[120] - Quote
CCP replaced staff making promises with IWS making even more cryptic promises.
Welcome to the other side folks. IWS is now officially a puppet. |
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KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Covert Intervention
553
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:19:00 -
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@Void Echo, others may say they are glad but not myself. Losing tankers is a bad sign of the overall health of the game. We tend to spend and make ISK by the bucket load.
I will wait until 1.3 drops and see what kind of damage it produces, I have no hope for something good. 1.3 and the eventual Pilot suit that will destabilize vehicles once again. I dropped for awhile because CCP wouldn't give me the SP respec. Now I don't care if I hit the SP cap. The only reason to play is to hang out with friends and there are a few here for me.
I no longer recommend the game as it stands. Maybe in a few months, but the fall from Chromosome has been tragic. Which is why my AUR purchases are a thing of the past. Until CCP/Shanghai can start making decisions in the right direction (Free LAVs vs LLAVs) there is little actual promise here. Unlike it was during Chromosome when we were ignorant and had hope.
Hope to see you in game, some day.
KR |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
291
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:24:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote: I no longer recommend the game as it stands. Maybe in a few months, but the fall from Chromosome has been tragic. KR
What is tragic is to see someone like you crying over a video game. Who asked for your recommendation? No one? Get a life sunshine. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
238
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:26:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers to solve this problem i red line....there i adapted....thats the best way to beat av...we can hit them but they cant hit us... |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2511
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:45:00 -
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I am locking this topic as "Leaving" posts are not permitted on General Discussion and the thread had been dragged super far off topic. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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