im speced into both shield and armor, both will be useless soon

................................ what are you talking about?

You have no experience tanking.
You hardly know anything

Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .

I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.

Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .

Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?

Lets look at some of the arguments:

The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .

I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .

Next argument

Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av .
Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .

Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .

So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend

Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).

I was going to post something snarky but realized you don't have access to what I have been seeing.

Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .

I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.

Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .

Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?

Lets look at some of the arguments:

The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .

I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .

Next argument

Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av .
Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .

Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .

So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend

Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).

Can I haz tank?

Real talk, it isn't being popped that angers me, it is that one pop. I can't make a profit at 200k-450k vs 800k-1.5m

I too question the placement of vehicles. I just doubt the present audience can really handle it. Look at things

Scouts too hard to hit, nerf scouts

Armor was nerfed before it let the drawing board


The common ground was AR. AR is king. It feels to a point that "shields and Ar? No? GTFO NOOB!" And it is honestly wearing thin trying to talk to anyone about. Some days, yes, I do play with randoms. Even join their squads. Ask for a rep? I insulted an humiliated. Who cars I got more WP, dare I wasn't FOTM

Void, never fought as a green dot, but I treasure the few times you were a blue. A few times out killing you, and another, recalling my gear, suicide, rep tool, then sitting inside your luxery vehicle and repping it.

Dont give up home on the game, be weedy of the player base

......

Well it seems you have such a hard time keeping one alive you had to resort to using a bug to further your max game edge.

Sica for life yo.

Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .

I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.

Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .

Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?

Lets look at some of the arguments:

The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .

I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .

Next argument

Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av .
Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .

Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .

So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend

Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).

No one cares.

When i 1st played this game during the E3 build in closed beta i had no idea what it was... at 1st i thouhgt it would be playstation's version of halo. After further playing the game i got more into it and saw the oportunity to mak a change to how i play games, when i saw that i could spec into vehicles i was excited because i thought i finally found something different from the same old boring FPS games like CoD and BF etc etc and decided to go into tanking because i wanted to be the biggest weapon on the battlefield and i wanted a change from boring assault riffles and i was for quite some time... i had a good time during closed beta regardless of the AV/Vehicle balance issue.

When i got into the forums, i didnt have a warm welcome (i guess nobody has a warm welcome in game forums) and i wasnt sure about what i was doing there.. but after getting myself involved in the varius discussions i found myself with a common group.

As time progressed i skilled more into tanks and became the tanker i am now over the entire duration of playing Dust 514. the biggest issue i have ever had was with the infantry of this game, it seems as though all the infantry of this game wants this to be a CoD clone or BF clone where vehicles are basically useless and have no reason to be in the game to begin with.... i have tried my best to stand between them and total CoDization of Dust 514 and iv had people stand with me in the matter as well as against me.

Throughout my time playing this game i had high hopes for it thinking to myself "when this game gets out its going to change the history of gaming istelf and define the future of all MMO FPS games to come" and "im glad that im apart of this game's history, now i have something i can say "yeah i was there when this was 1st starting out and i was there during all the old times when things were getting good and epic strugles were making history"".

But i have come to reality that this game's future is bleak and very uncertain if it will survive to the end of this year, all the balancing that CCP has been trying to do is continuously breaking this game more and more, i believe that Chromosome was when the vehicle/av balance was near perfection but CCP has thrown that all away for the infantry players that constantly cry "nerf" when they cant one shot something and they get killed by something thats meant to kill them... if you dont believe me then look through this game's history and the forums, youl find countless examples if this..

Throughout the forums and history of this game, CCP has always donw what the infantry had wanted them to do, CCP has never once listened to the people who have actually skilled into and used the items and equipment that CCP is nerfing, instead they always listen the infantry whinners that have never even tried to use the stuff themselves, nerfing everything into the ground and thus the result is the state of the game we are in now..

The funny thing is that you infantry call tankers QQers when we get nerfed and want compensation for something that weve lost and tell us to adapt or die, yet when you get nerfed (your logi suit is going to become what a logi suit should be, a logi suit, the difference between logi and assault is that assault is meant for attacking and logi is basically support) you believe that your entitled to a respec because you speced into the FOTM OP suit and now your getting nerfed for once.. well now its time for me to say: HTFU its time that you adapt to something for once..

I dont see any hop for the vehicles with the way CCP is hadling them....

I know this goodbye is going to be flamed by CoD fanboys telling me to htfu and adapt to their wishes and bend over to them like CCP has, but whatever.. it doesnt matter anymore. Infantry doesn't know anything about driving tanks yet CCP only listens to them when we are the topic. I don't even understand why they even play this game, if they don't like vehicles then they could just go to another game that doesn't have them, not try to make the vehicles here completely useless.

Il be watching this games progression and looking for any glimer of hope i can find that tells me that its time to come back.

To my fellow tankers that are remaining (few that i know and dont know), it was fun going against you, destroying your tanks and being destroyed you, the only real thrill iv ever had in this game has been fighting alond side you and against you.. im glad that im part of the best tankers that have been here and gone and im proud to call myself a Tanker to begin with.. thank you for the good times and the funny frustration.

Perhaps il be back one day... until then i say for certain Goodbye and Good luck to the classes that are fighting against the infantry classes over nerfs and buffs, the HAVs are at an end, (we stood against the infantry as long and hard as we could (id say about 2 more nerfs and even new tankers and new guys will never want to skill into tanking)), youl need it.

Got a good lol when he said "they just cry nerf when they can't one shot something that is designed to kill them" AV is designed to take out tanks :P
To adapt one must look to other tactics to survive if your current tactics are getting you killed. Try working with infantry instead of just wanting to slaughter them. That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers

That's what tanks are designed for, they are the ultimate pushers

You talk like infantry matters.. dude with swarms just has to lock on and fire... the fact that there is infantry between the tank and the AVers is irrelevant.

Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank.

Yes, it's not like those Infantry units are keeping you alive from enemy AV. Oh wait, I forgot you just want to solo with your tank.

Pretty much any infantry I have ever squaded up with couldn't give a rats ass about protecting my tank.

I have seen blues run away from people with swarm launchers.

I have observed as a squad of infantry allows someone to run through them throwing AV grenades.

I have been almost directly in front of friendly snipers who absolutely refuse to shoot at the guys launching swarms or the FG up high.

I have seen all of these and more, so often, that I have learned that infantry doesn't care at all about a blue tank. The only time they give a crap is when they need you to drop an enemy tank, but as soon as it goes down, you are immediately forgotten about.