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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:12:00 -
[61] - Quote
Throw this thread into the Locker room CCP GMs |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
341
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:12:00 -
[62] - Quote
substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. |
ugg reset
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
332
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:13:00 -
[63] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:You have no sense of tact you freaking idiot! I hope you pay for such stupidity. Making light of a situation that clearly creates a broad line between the ignorant racists and the folks who recognize this as an injustice.
I hope something bad happens to you this week
Says the guy who bumped the thread.
Damit....
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Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
115
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun. Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left. Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe. Simple Google search. 2011 Florida Statutes 784.048Definition 2 of stalking: "Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention." If you can't see the faults that BOTH sides have in this case, then you have one of the worse cases of confirmation bias that I have ever seen, and that makes your analysis no more insightful than the jury. "Tyranny of the majority". GÇ£Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.GÇ¥ -- The Federalist No. 55 May I never find myself on the bench of judgment before a jury of my fellow Americans. I hate you guys.
Even if that broad generalization covered Gz, is the punishment for that misdmeanor a fine? Or is it getting your ass kicked?
I'm pretty sure no crime comes with a punishment of a beating.
However the crime of battering someone does give you the option of defending yourself.
You make up tm being under attack which never happened. Why don't you want to talk about that anymore?
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Viktor Zokas
187. League of Infamy
54
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun. Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left. Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe. Simple Google search. 2011 Florida Statutes 784.048Definition 2 of stalking: "Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention." If you can't see the faults that BOTH sides have in this case, then you have one of the worse cases of confirmation bias that I have ever seen, and that makes your analysis no more insightful than the jury. "Tyranny of the majority". GÇ£Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.GÇ¥ -- The Federalist No. 55 May I never find myself on the bench of judgment before a jury of my fellow Americans. I hate you guys. Even if that broad generalization covered Gz, is the punishment for that misdmeanor a fine? Or is it getting your ass kicked? I'm pretty sure no crime comes with a punishment of a beating. However the crime of battering someone does give you the option of defending yourself. You make up tm being under attack which never happened. Why don't you want to talk about that anymore?
The truth might be too much for him. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
116
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:30:00 -
[66] - Quote
Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path.
This man understands. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands.
I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
2
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
Hilarious. Yes, let's fix race relations in the US in the DUST 514 FORUMS. You know, the enlightened place where changing the statistics of a piece of equipment in a video game erupts into a month long flame war.
Please don't feed the trolls. *cheesy music* "The more you know" |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
116
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:37:00 -
[69] - Quote
Heathen Bastard wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past.
Kindred spirits. Released from the military due to poor choices made regarding my fellow airmen. He broke no rules while i did. Kinda like tm. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:37:00 -
[70] - Quote
Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path.
Law is always evaluated on an individual basis. Always. On each and every single charge ever brought against a person. Just read about Dred Scott.
Congress passed a number of laws to support slavery, including a series of fugitive slave laws. The Supreme Court also helped maintain slavery. In the Dred Scott case, the Court decided that when the rights of a slave-owner to his human "property" came into conflict with laws prohibiting slavery, the property rights triumphed. The Dred Scott case effectively stripped even free blacks of basic citizenship rights.
The Supreme Court based its decision in Dred Scott on a broad interpretation of the Due Process Clause. The Court argued that it was not substantively fair to deprive the slave-owner of his property rights, even at the expense of another human being. Ironically, the Court's decision in Dred Scott originated the concept of substantive due process, which later became an integral element of arguments in favor of civil rights.
Interpretation of the law AND evidence is absolutely EVERYTHING. It happens, each and every time. EVERY TIME. For us to trust a jury almost entirely comprised of women, given the stereotypes surrounding women fearing young black men... how can we expect the jury to look at this with a number of different viewpoints logically? They could never interpret the application of law properly here, to reach a verdict.... but then again they did, didn't they?
Oh well, it's over now. |
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Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
201
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:38:00 -
[71] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it
Please check your sources before speaking from your colon, as it sounds that you may have been polluted by the conservative media outlets (which are approx 80% of those available in the US).
But on a real note, this statement is yet another reason why the words that fall from the lips of those in Internal Error are to be taken with a few grains of salt (because that is all that they are worth let alone weight in the greater scales of life).
This is obviously another example of how much those from Negative Feedback continue to troll at the most inappropriate times. New Eden is NOT the PLACE for your twisted real world views, let alone the utter lack in ability to perceive the multitude of possibilities. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2627
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:39:00 -
[72] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. Ok, wait.
I assume you've all heard the recording of the phone conversation. So after being told not to follow the kid, he does so anyway, accosts him in a small space with limited room to escape, and Martin doesn't know if this guy is some serial killer or a pedophile or something.
I'm to understand that "Stand your Ground" only applies to the guy with the gun? What sense does that make? And would you really just stand there and hope the guy coming at you with a hostile manner doesn't want to hurt you or anything?
Your logic is pretty off there.
But all of that is beside the point.
Why is this even here? We have an Off Topic section for a reason. |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
286
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:41:00 -
[73] - Quote
*munch munch |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
116
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:41:00 -
[74] - Quote
Another nonsensical post that doesn't want to address anything regarding the case or his comments pertaining to it.
I bet you study liberal arts. Get a real degree. Mathematics. Computer science. Hell even an English degree. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:43:00 -
[75] - Quote
Can a GM put this in the locker room please?
I have no opinion.
Arguing over something set in stone is pointless. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:44:00 -
[76] - Quote
Gigatron Prime wrote:*munch munch
GOD ****IT, MUNCHLAX! |
Celeste Cyra
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:45:00 -
[77] - Quote
John Demonsbane wrote:Hilarious. Yes, let's fix race relations in the US in the DUST 514 FORUMS. You know, the enlightened place where changing the statistics of a piece of equipment in a video game erupts into a month long flame war.
Please don't feed the trolls. *cheesy music* "The more you know"
As far as game forums go this is one of the most well behaved ones I have ever seen. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
421
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:45:00 -
[78] - Quote
Not to judge, just to comment from a distance.
When a Hispanic guy who shoots a Black guy to stop him from beating 14 types of crap out of him is found not guilty by a jury of six women but it is all just white male racism you've probably lost a claim to objectivity a long time ago.
Just saying. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
116
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:46:00 -
[79] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. Ok, wait. I assume you've all heard the recording of the phone conversation. So after being told not to follow the kid, he does so anyway, accosts him in a small space with limited room to escape, and Martin doesn't know if this guy is some serial killer or a pedophile or something. I'm to understand that "Stand your Ground" only applies to the guy with the gun? What sense does that make? And would you really just stand there and hope the guy coming at you with a hostile manner doesn't want to hurt you or anything? Your logic is pretty off there. But all of that is beside the point. Why is this even here? We have an Off Topic section for a reason.
Aggressive manner is heresay. No evidence supports it.
Stand your ground law was not cited in this case. It was self defence laws. Standard ones that apply in nearly every state.
No you cannot attack someone who hasnt said anything threatening or attacked you. It's a crime.
The person who commited a CRIME died. No other crimes were committed. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:46:00 -
[80] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. Ok, wait. I assume you've all heard the recording of the phone conversation. So after being told not to follow the kid, he does so anyway, accosts him in a small space with limited room to escape, and Martin doesn't know if this guy is some serial killer or a pedophile or something. I'm to understand that "Stand your Ground" only applies to the guy with the gun? What sense does that make? And would you really just stand there and hope the guy coming at you with a hostile manner doesn't want to hurt you or anything? Your logic is pretty off there. But all of that is beside the point. Why is this even here? We have an Off Topic section for a reason.
There's no point. The verdict of the Zimmerman trial is something they "emotionally" agree with. Therefore, the precedent set is irrelevant. "The law is the law, and that's it." until it comes back and bites them in the ass in the some way.
Could you imagine if the Supreme Court made that verdict? The precedent set for the country would have been astounding. I'm done with this topic. This should have been moved to The Locker Room along with the other trash a long time ago. I never go in there. |
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Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:50:00 -
[81] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. Ok, wait. I assume you've all heard the recording of the phone conversation. So after being told not to follow the kid, he does so anyway, accosts him in a small space with limited room to escape, and Martin doesn't know if this guy is some serial killer or a pedophile or something. I'm to understand that "Stand your Ground" only applies to the guy with the gun? What sense does that make? And would you really just stand there and hope the guy coming at you with a hostile manner doesn't want to hurt you or anything? Your logic is pretty off there. But all of that is beside the point. Why is this even here? We have an Off Topic section for a reason. Aggressive manner is heresay. No evidence supports it. Stand your ground law was not cited in this case. It was self defence laws. Standard ones that apply in nearly every state. No you cannot attack someone who hasnt said anything threatening or attacked you. It's a crime. The person who commited a CRIME died. No other crimes were committed.
Trayvon committed no crimes. This was already confirmed by the police officer who took the stand. The only person accused of committing a crime has been acquitted, regardless of him killing someone in an altercation that he provoked. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
682
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:51:00 -
[82] - Quote
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18799126 |
WUT ANG
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
18
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:53:00 -
[83] - Quote
Best way to get away with murder is to join neighborhood watch in a neighborhood that you don't know |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
116
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:56:00 -
[84] - Quote
Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back?
Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:57:00 -
[85] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:
I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past.
Kindred spirits. Released from the military due to poor choices made regarding my fellow airmen. He broke no rules while i did. Kinda like tm.
I beat kid twice my size over his gloating about a fight I was in where he snuck up like a coward and slammed my head into a wall a week prior(I was fighting his little brother, nice and orderly, both sides agreed to orthodox boxing. Was winning by a bit, kid had a mean right.) It took 3 of his friends to pull me off of him.
I actually enjoyed that. I came home with a broken ankle, cracks in my forearms, shattered knuckles, busted ribs, and I loved that feeling. I've never forgotten it, I never want to feel that again.
He wouldn't admit to having gotten his ass beat by some scrawny little **** like me and I started it. So no consequences beyond being lectured by my parents about how monumentally stupid what I did was. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
201
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun. Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left. Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe. Simple Google search. 2011 Florida Statutes 784.048Definition 2 of stalking: "Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention." If you can't see the faults that BOTH sides have in this case, then you have one of the worse cases of confirmation bias that I have ever seen, and that makes your analysis no more insightful than the jury. "Tyranny of the majority". GÇ£Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.GÇ¥ -- The Federalist No. 55 May I never find myself on the bench of judgment before a jury of my fellow Americans. I hate you guys. Even if that broad generalization covered Gz, is the punishment for that misdmeanor a fine? Or is it getting your ass kicked? I'm pretty sure no crime comes with a punishment of a beating. However the crime of battering someone does give you the option of defending yourself. You make up tm being under attack which never happened. Why don't you want to talk about that anymore?
Where is the supposed evidence that show that Trayvon Martin was the aggressor to George Zimmerman? AND WHY does everyone seem to operate from this idea that you can remove yourself from the atrocious behavior that was concluded between these two people by labeling them with initials and some how removing their humanity through this process of objectification?
This is not a subject for General Discussions, this MAY be a topic for the locker room, but is it really a topic of discussion for the DUST Forums???
Everyone here (expect for a few select people - The brother that asked for this post to be moved or removed) has jumped to huge conclusions about the actions of Trayvon Martin and how he MAY HAVE responded to George Zimmerman stalking him. The fact is that there all always three sides to a story, yours, mine, and then the raw truth. Since Trayvon was killed and there are no other credible witnesses that actually saw the entire encounter from beginning to end, all the public is left with is George Zimmerman's own distorted version of the events that are be specifically portrayed in such a manner as to ensure the saving of his own skin. Everyone else is attempting to use the results of this tragic occurrence as a means and way to propel or prop up their own political agendas.
This forum discussion is a sad example of the state of humanity. That is not to say that it should not be discussed, rather this is a topic to be had during a face to face dialogue where insidious asses cannot hide behind the keyboard and computer screen induced mask of anonymity. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
116
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:05:00 -
[87] - Quote
Grass on your back and a bloody face to grass on your knees (from a full mount position) and no bruising or injuries.
I don't know what world you live in but if you punch someone they're going to have a sign of it.
Unless you mean aggressor as in words, in which case YOU CAN HEAR THE ENTIRE PHONECALL!
I use Gz and tm because i am on a phone. Good job jumping to more conclusions again. Please use facts whenever discussing something.
The emotion you follow won't **** you well in real life.
Edit. Tried to type suit. I like the curse better |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:10:00 -
[88] - Quote
Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back?
Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious.
A stranger you don't know starts after you, 'not wanting you to get away' with something you haven't even done. I reckon "fight or flight" instincts would kick in for you too. Assault only counts if you're the aggressor, which to public knowledge, Mr. Martin was NOT. Why don't you understand this? |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:14:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:
I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past.
Kindred spirits. Released from the military due to poor choices made regarding my fellow airmen. He broke no rules while i did. Kinda like tm. I beat kid twice my size over his gloating about a fight I was in where he snuck up like a coward and slammed my head into a wall a week prior(I was fighting his little brother, nice and orderly, both sides agreed to orthodox boxing. Was winning by a bit, kid had a mean right.) It took 3 of his friends to pull me off of him. I actually enjoyed that. I came home with a broken ankle, cracks in my forearms, shattered knuckles, busted ribs, and I loved that feeling. I've never forgotten it, I never want to feel that again. He wouldn't admit to having gotten his ass beat by some scrawny little **** like me and I started it. So no consequences beyond being lectured by my parents about how monumentally stupid what I did was. Edit: Evil me scares me that's basically the whole thing in a nutshell.
Then don't be evil. Legality does not equal morality.
Your definitions of right and wrong and personal morals that you abide by. But the law shouldn't be your moral barometer. As much as people claim they are immune to it, moral relativism effects us all, and it's an ugly thing. The Zimmerman trial is just more proof of that. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:16:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back?
Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious. A stranger you don't know starts after you, 'not wanting you to get away' with something you haven't even done. I reckon "fight or flight" instincts would kick in for you too. Assault only counts if you're the aggressor, which to public knowledge, Mr. Martin was NOT. Why don't you understand this?
In California law and the ucmj aggressor is the person who physically starts the fight. Those are the only two that I personally have experience with.
I dont like that you hide behind the word aggressor.
The entire incident is on recording. Gz isn't even the "aggressor" if you count words.
Again if you want to say he was physically the aggressor why no signs of it on tm?
You can only make yourself look stupid, ignorant, and emotional by not knowing the facts and cherry picking what you'll respond to while abandoning all leads you're proven wrong on. |
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