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Jathniel wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

the law is the only truly moral barometer. it judges all equally based upon their actions within its rules. the only problem is that the laws are applied by man, and man is fallible. if man were removed from the equation, the law would be infallible.

It is for the same reason the tinkerer of talmacht rejected god and chose death as his child's godparent. it is that death is the only true and just being. he cares not for your wealth, not for your attempts to forstall, not for any thing but his predetermined rounds. If your time had come, he was there to collect, no begging, whimpering, bribery, or status could stay his hand.

whereas god allowed all manner of injustice when he had all the power to stop it. the poor died sick and starving, the rich got fat off the labor of the poor, the devil walked the earth freely.

Weak.
I tell you to use your conscience and hold the lives of your fellow man as valuable, and you tell me about myths, the metaphysical, your belief that the law would be infallible without anyone to exercise it over. and that the law is the only true moral barometer?

Laws are based on Principles.
Example: Speed Limits, Traffic Lights, Lane Markers, are all implements of traffic law. What is the principle behind traffic law?
"To Drive Safely".

Even the god that you criticize had a law for his people. It said don't do this, don't do that, blah blah. Then later on he states that the principle behind is law is to simply: "Love thy God. Thyself, and thy fellow man."
Because if you give a pinch of a damn about someone else, you won't kill them, steal from them, etc etc.

I'm not here to teach you about Laws and Principles, but your statement on the law just frightens me as to how many weak-minded people walk this earth.

That is weak man. You got a lot of soul-searching to do.


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Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2013.07.21 02:23:00 - [1] - Quote Got it, unless I take a knee and slit my own throat when someone with differently colored skin than my lily white ass looks at me funny, I'm a racist. who has a running list of words they aren't allowed to say? Who generates protests, demands for blood, etc when they legally defend themselves? Who gets passed up for jobs when they have the exact same(or even slightly better in some cases) qualifications due to color quotas? man kills a child? That's sad, but not really newsworthy. White man kills a insert color here child? Media circus, protests, demands for blood. people want to act like race no longer matters, but the reality is that the line has shifted.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2013.07.21 02:27:00 - [2] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Got it, unless I take a knee and slit my own throat when someone with differently colored skin than my lily white ass looks at me funny, I'm a racist. who has a running list of words they aren't allowed to say? Who generates protests, demands for blood, etc when they legally defend themselves? Who gets passed up for jobs when they have the exact same(or even slightly better in some cases) qualifications due to color quotas? man kills a child? That's sad, but not really newsworthy. White man kills a insert color here child? Media circus, protests, demands for blood. people want to act like race no longer matters, but the reality is that the line has shifted. You're right. Somebody should put them bacK in their place.... Killing is never good but good 'ol fashioned scare tactics might worK. NO. That's wrong too. Stupid, retaliatory bullshit is no way to carry on.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2013.07.21 02:45:00 - [3] - Quote "no one would've gotten shot" yeah. it would have been someone stabbed, or getting beaten to death. An acquittal shows that the jury did their jobs in casting aside emotion to follow the facts and rule of law. TM struck first. GZ had genuine fear for his life(whether said fear was rational or not is outside the law). which allowed for the usage of lethal force on his part to defend his life. Thereby, acquittal was the appropriate verdict according to the law, which is to be the singular lens when the jury is to render a verdict. No emotion, no race, no religion, just the law.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 341	Posted - 2013.07.21 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime. The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist. As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did. I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2013.07.21 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime. The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist. As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did. I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2013.07.21 03:57:00 - [6] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past. Kindred spirits. Released from the military due to poor choices made regarding my fellow airmen. He broke no rules while i did. Kinda like tm. I beat kid twice my size over his gloating about a fight I was in where he snuck up like a coward and slammed my head into a wall a week prior(I was fighting his little brother, nice and orderly, both sides agreed to orthodox boxing. Was winning by a bit, kid had a mean right.) It took 3 of his friends to pull me off of him. I actually enjoyed that. I came home with a broken ankle, cracks in my forearms, shattered knuckles, busted ribs, and I loved that feeling. I've never forgotten it, I never want to feel that again. He wouldn't admit to having gotten his ass beat by some scrawny little **** like me and I started it. So no consequences beyond being lectured by my parents about how monumentally stupid what I did was.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2013.07.21 04:16:00 - [7] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back? Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious. A stranger you don't know starts after you, 'not wanting you to get away' with something you haven't even done. I reckon "fight or flight" instincts would kick in for you too. Assault only counts if you're the aggressor, which to public knowledge, Mr. Martin was NOT. Why don't you understand this? really? he didn't throw the first blow? last I checked, swinging at someone first for any reason on public property where both of you have a right to be marks you as the aggressor under the law. following someone across public property is not a crime. christ, if that was a crime just about everyone would be guilty at some point or another just by having to go to the same relative places within a town.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2013.07.21 04:32:00 - [8] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Would that be that hard? The person approaching another person is the one that sets the frame for the interaction. and the person beating the **** out of another sets the precedent for legally justified lethal force. Travon could have left as soon as Zimmerman hit the floor. he did not, he straddled and then continued to beat him, even going so far as to bash the back of his head into the concrete several times. Like it or not, one was going to die.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2013.07.21 04:49:00 - [9] - Quote Jathniel: One last question. since you like doing hypotheticals(it's what your entire posting structure seems to be based off of.) what if zimmerman didn't get his gun and travon did finish beating him to death? is travon a hero? is it somehow better? less of a tragedy? I already know your answer, and that is why we have the law. Goodnight.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2013.07.21 05:44:00 - [10] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: the law is the only truly moral barometer. it judges all equally based upon their actions within its rules. the only problem is that the laws are applied by man, and man is fallible. if man were removed from the equation, the law would be infallible. It is for the same reason the tinkerer of talmacht rejected god and chose death as his child's godparent. it is that death is the only true and just being. he cares not for your wealth, not for your attempts to forstall, not for any thing but his predetermined rounds. If your time had come, he was there to collect, no begging, whimpering, bribery, or status could stay his hand. whereas god allowed all manner of injustice when he had all the power to stop it. the poor died sick and starving, the rich got fat off the labor of the poor, the devil walked the earth freely. Weak. I tell you to use your conscience and hold the lives of your fellow man as valuable, and you tell me about myths, the metaphysical, your belief that the law would be infallible without anyone to exercise it over. and that the law is the only true moral barometer? Laws are based on Principles. Example: Speed Limits, Traffic Lights, Lane Markers, are all implements of traffic law. What is the principle behind traffic law? "To Drive Safely". Even the god that you criticize had a law for his people. It said don't do this, don't do that, blah blah. Then later on he states that the principle behind is law is to simply: "Love thy God. Thyself, and thy fellow man." Because if you give a pinch of a damn about someone else, you won't kill them, steal from them, etc etc. I'm not here to teach you about Laws and Principles, but your statement on the law just frightens me as to how many weak-minded people walk this earth. That is weak man. You got a lot of soul-searching to do. I tell you about what shapes my belief in absolutes and you continue to ***** that I have no soul because I place little value in the 7 billion people on this planet. the god that I criticize had the power to act to enforce principles and did not act. he is less than worthless. I said that the problem with law is that man is the one to apply it. Not that man should be free from it. in an ideal world, the would be no need of laws, but this is not and never shall be an ideal world. I know where I keep my soul. I found it and discarded it long ago in the pain of others. you would attempt to speak of my weak mind, so I shall speak on your weak heart. You, who condemn and damn others for following and applying the rules under which we live, complain that they should not apply just because you saw a picture of someone when they looked cute. Your heart is so weak that you would casually discard all that separates us from mere beasts. You sicken me you bleeding heart, you simpering, weak fool! People like you are too weak in heart to live in this world. it will warp your values and break you. and I shall be there when you finally snap to the real view of things. I shall be standing there, resolute to offer you a hand so you can cast off your childish need to change the rules because you feel there is something special. No matter the amount of times you bat my hand away I will always be there, ready to welcome you to the real world. Good night, and may you one day see the light of our cruel binary world. EDIT: no, the effectively found that lethal force was applied within the law. they ruled out him having to deal with the legal ramifications of killing someone. Totally different items.

Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2013.07.21 06:17:00 - [11] - Quote the mind provides governance to the heart. a direction. without it, you have a bunch of meaningless fluff that screams out every time it sees something it decides is an injustice. do not mistake my rules and their execution for subservience. I said that I follow the laws that are in line with my current goals nothing more, nothing less. I am the person who changes the rules from the inside, over time. not some idiot rebel who has to become a martyr to get any change made. it is because my mind rules my heart that I can abide the laws I do not enjoy, and the slings and arrows of those who bleed freely. IN THE MIND is the battle truly won. you can force change on someone with your heart, but until their MIND accepts this change it is worthless. Sorry about the poetic nature of my posting, while it is your ass I'm roasting, now I don't mean to be boasting, but in this debate, you would appear to be a reprobate, please do know that it is that which i hate. Now let me sleep god-damn-it, you keep setting off my bloody-heart-dar. it's like a radar but it alerts me to people who don't like the world and think that posting on a forum will change anything about it.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2013.07.21 06:37:00 - [12] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Hell yes, posting #108. irony FTW.(according to some Buddhism, there are 108 feelings.) That's not ironic. google wrote: i-+ron-+ic /-½-êr+ñnik/ Adjective Using or characterized by irony. Happening in the opposite way to what is expected, thus typically causing wry amusement. I've chosen to correct you here, because the way in which you frame an argument is idiotic and i disagree with almost everything you've said, and don't have the inclination to encourage your misguided ethical and moral ramblings I have been posting about ignoring feelings, and religion. I then get a post number that references a religion's view on feelings. so I have been acting in a manner opposite the reference that was achieved, and I found it ironic, so it was used properly. Then again, you can only see your own view as right, since all of my views on morals and ethics are misguided, right? whop bob a loo whop a whop bangboom. make sense of that.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2013.07.21 11:56:00 - [13] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: 4 minutes. TM had 4 minutes to run. He didn't. He turned to be a badass. GZ gave him 4 minutes to make a decision before he fired the minimum number of shots to STOP the guy coming at him with his face hidden by a hoodie. I'd of fired too at that point. Doesn't matter what color you are. I'm an equal opportunity gunslinger. a whole four minutes? ****, I sprinted over mile when I had adrenaline going in 6(crazy girl convinced herself she was my GF, then her current BF caught wind of it and long story short, running, overpaying for a soda, shattering some ribs with a well placed elbow and then more running. then a bus) I would've been well out of pistol range except in the case of exceptional marksmanship(and exceptional luck) I didn't even know the 4 minutes bit. martin just went from overzealous and pushing his luck to just outright stupid. somebody has a gun on you and gives you the option of leaving peaceably, what do you do? leave. unless you have specific training for that particular kind of situation, you're going to die or be severely injured, then bleed out and die. Oh, and that might still happen even if you have the proper training.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 348	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:29:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I think Zimmerman was right to be acquitted. Though if he had been accused of a lesser charge he should have been sentenced to community service... I'd recommend community watch. He does seem to be pretty good at it.