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Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Does not belong here. Thank you~~!!
Finally someone who can close this ridiculous thread.
This shouldn't even be on the DUST forums. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:03:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:Sorry but TM got what he wanted, a fight. GZ did nothing wrong, yet people want to convict him of what? Funny thing is where is the media attention for these stories? Black man shoots white teenor this one 12yo torched to deathTM was neither innocent, nor was GZ guilty. Stop making this about race and make it about facts. Now let's drop it and play the damn game and get on with life. Too much time was wasted on this already.
Yeah, that first one is stupid. I don't think you read it. If their were three kids braking into cars around my neighborhood AND/OR hanging around my car i'd be liable to shoot one of them too when I confront them.
That second one is a terrible thing to hear about. Fortunately, she is obviously guilty, so some sort of justice will be served. Nothing to worry about.
I don't care about the Zimmerman thing at all. They said he was innocent. Nothing to bust a nut over. If I believed he wasn't, oh well. I guess the lesson i'd take from it all is to not walk around with Skittles and iced tea while wearing a hoody.
HOW IS THIS STILL IN GENERAL DISCUSSION? |
Avinash Decker
BetaMax. CRONOS.
60
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Does not belong here on just the bad vibes that invites itself in like how trolls do. I would have this banished to the locker room but... I don't think it is an appropriate place there either.
People are stupid , it isn't surprising really . |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:05:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:Sorry but TM got what he wanted, a fight. GZ did nothing wrong, yet people want to convict him of what? Funny thing is where is the media attention for these stories? Black man shoots white teenor this one 12yo torched to deathTM was neither innocent, nor was GZ guilty. Stop making this about race and make it about facts. Now let's drop it and play the damn game and get on with life. Too much time was wasted on this already. Yeah, that first one is stupid. I don't think you read it. If their were three kids braking into cars around my neighborhood AND/OR hanging around my car i'd be liable to shoot one of them too when I confront them. That second one is a terrible thing to hear about. Fortunately, she is obviously guilty, so some sort of justice will be served. Nothing to worry about. I don't care about the Zimmerman thing at all. They said he was innocent. Nothing to bust a nut over. If I believed he wasn't, oh well. I guess the lesson i'd take from it all is to not walk around with Skittles and iced tea while wearing a hoody. Bahahahahahaha
Skittles and iced tea...
Oh wait, I love to eat skittles. Sour skittles to be exact...
Dear god, does this mean...
Yup, can't eat skittles anymore. That's all I took from this whole debauchery of a trial. Real life novellas have cheasier acting... |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:09:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Void Echo wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Zimmerman is a complete dumb ass and should be hanged so you should be hanged for defending yourself? that's dumbassery right there... liberal biased media has gotten to you, theve never shown any facts about it The dumb ass followed him and what for the cop told him not to soo its his fault when the cop says dont follow then you shouldn't follow but oh no supeman saw a black kid in a hoody so he had to be a bad person
you need to calm down and read the facts, not what the liberal media tells you, treyvon tackled him and continuously beat him with a brick while zim was yelling for him to stop and so zim pulled out his gun and killed treyv otherwise he wouldv killed him, did you also ignor the fact that Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch at the time it happened? hes was supostu follow suspicious people in case they do something illegal, did you also hear the entire recording of the conversation and not the edited version that NBC released |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:11:00 -
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someone please just lock this thread..... this has no place in the forums at all |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:12:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Void Echo wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Zimmerman is a complete dumb ass and should be hanged so you should be hanged for defending yourself? that's dumbassery right there... liberal biased media has gotten to you, theve never shown any facts about it The dumb ass followed him and what for the cop told him not to soo its his fault when the cop says dont follow then you shouldn't follow but oh no supeman saw a black kid in a hoody so he had to be a bad person you need to calm down and read the facts, not what the liberal media tells you, treyvon tackled him and continuously beat him with a brick while zim was yelling for him to stop and so zim pulled out his gun and killed treyv otherwise he wouldv killed him, did you also ignor the fact that Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch at the time it happened? hes was supostu follow suspicious people in case they do something illegal, did you also hear the entire recording of the conversation and not the edited version that NBC released Dayum!!!
Them facts... |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
672
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:14:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it
That's not all there is to it. Not that you give a damn. Neighborhood watch is not law-enforcement. GZ started the altercation with TM, and the fight didn't go as he expected, so he shot him. You attack someone, and when they're about to kill you in self-defense, you kill them and then claim self-defense? If that seems okay to you, then you are as twisted as the Devil at a nightclub. The jury set yet another very dangerous precedent by acquitting GZ, and not even finding him guilty of manslaughter.
Again, this thread is in the wrong section. |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
281
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:15:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:someone please just lock this thread..... this has no place in the forums at all Double posting is against the rules mister... |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:19:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it That's not all there is to it. Not that you give a damn. Neighborhood watch is not law-enforcement. GZ started the altercation with TM, and the fight didn't go as he expected, so I he shot him. You attack someone, and when they're about to kill you in self-defense, you kill them and then claim self-defense? If that seems okay to you, then you are as twisted as the Devil at a nightclub. The jury set yet another very dangerous precedent by acquitting GZ, and not even finding him guilty of manslaughter. Again, this thread is in the wrong section.
he is guilty of killing the teen but this has nothing to do with race in the 1st place, in the recording he was actually talking with the police at the time he was following the teen, however did you hear the conversation that the teen had with his friend? they were assuming that Zimmerman was gay and wanting to **** him so the teen took the offensive and landed the 1st hit, its the teens fault |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:23:00 -
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Got it, unless I take a knee and slit my own throat when someone with differently colored skin than my lily white ass looks at me funny, I'm a racist.
who has a running list of words they aren't allowed to say? Who generates protests, demands for blood, etc when they legally defend themselves? Who gets passed up for jobs when they have the exact same(or even slightly better in some cases) qualifications due to color quotas?
man kills a child? That's sad, but not really newsworthy. White man kills a *insert color here* child? Media circus, protests, demands for blood.
people want to act like race no longer matters, but the reality is that the line has shifted. |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
281
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:25:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Got it, unless I take a knee and slit my own throat when someone with differently colored skin than my lily white ass looks at me funny, I'm a racist.
who has a running list of words they aren't allowed to say? Who generates protests, demands for blood, etc when they legally defend themselves? Who gets passed up for jobs when they have the exact same(or even slightly better in some cases) qualifications due to color quotas?
man kills a child? That's sad, but not really newsworthy. White man kills a *insert color here* child? Media circus, protests, demands for blood.
people want to act like race no longer matters, but the reality is that the line has shifted. You're right.
Somebody should put them bacK in their place....
Killing is never good but good 'ol fashioned scare tactics might worK. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:27:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Got it, unless I take a knee and slit my own throat when someone with differently colored skin than my lily white ass looks at me funny, I'm a racist.
who has a running list of words they aren't allowed to say? Who generates protests, demands for blood, etc when they legally defend themselves? Who gets passed up for jobs when they have the exact same(or even slightly better in some cases) qualifications due to color quotas?
man kills a child? That's sad, but not really newsworthy. White man kills a *insert color here* child? Media circus, protests, demands for blood.
people want to act like race no longer matters, but the reality is that the line has shifted. You're right. Somebody should put them bacK in their place.... Killing is never good but good 'ol fashioned scare tactics might worK.
NO. That's wrong too. Stupid, retaliatory bullshit is no way to carry on. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:30:00 -
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I THINK WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A NAP. |
Viktor Zokas
187. League of Infamy
52
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:30:00 -
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The best part of this whole thing was the media showing the 12 year old 'little angel' picture of him. The kid was a punk, probably noticed he was being followed, wanted to be a badass, confronted him, threw the first punch, got shot. Not a massive deal, let's move on folks. |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
281
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:30:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I THINK WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A NAP. Shh!!
You'll wake up Trayv-
nvmd thats too much.... |
Viktor Zokas
187. League of Infamy
52
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:32:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I THINK WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A NAP. Shh!! You'll wake up Trayv- nvmd thats too much....
TOO SOONGäó |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:33:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it That's not all there is to it. Not that you give a damn. Neighborhood watch is not law-enforcement. GZ started the altercation with TM, and the fight didn't go as he expected, so I he shot him. You attack someone, and when they're about to kill you in self-defense, you kill them and then claim self-defense? If that seems okay to you, then you are as twisted as the Devil at a nightclub. The jury set yet another very dangerous precedent by acquitting GZ, and not even finding him guilty of manslaughter. Again, this thread is in the wrong section. he is guilty of killing the teen but this has nothing to do with race in the 1st place, in the recording he was actually talking with the police at the time he was following the teen, however did you hear the conversation that the teen had with his friend? they were assuming that Zimmerman was gay and wanting to **** him so the teen took the offensive and landed the 1st hit, its the teens fault
I never mentioned race. In fact, it's hard to understand why white people had any reason to weigh in racially on the situation when it took place between two minority men. Racial profiling was a part of this situation. It's a fact that GZ profiled him. Profiling is not "racism" it's prejudice. Profiling happens for very sound reasons. However, profiling is not what lead to GZ killing TM. GZ's bad judgment and course of action is. He had no intention of killing TM. He just wanted to keep his neighborhood safe, and he got over zealous. However, his good intentions should have never overshadowed the fact that he killed someone, in a situation that he provoked and caused.
You need to keep in mind, Zimmerman did not identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He was stalking him without a word. If someone is simply stalking and following you, you are going to make all kinds of assumptions.
Truth be told, this is exactly why my father taught me to make sure I was well-dressed and well-groomed whenever I went out. To avoid idiots like Zimmerman. As wrong as it is to profile someone, it happens. People judge a book by its cover, ALL the time. That's why we should always make sure we look presentable. If Martin was dressed like a street preacher or a Mormon, Zimmerman would have never profiled him incorrectly.
Doesn't change the fact, that Zimmerman took a life through a situation that he provoked, although well-intentioned. A murder conviction would be extreme, an involuntary manslaughter or aggravated manslaughter charge would have been appropriate, but an acquittal shows a total disregard for the life lost. That sets a dangerous precedent and can lead to all kinds of political problems... Anti-gun advocates can look at this and demand more govt arms regulations saying: "If the gun wasn't there TM would have never went for it, and GZ would have never used it. No one would have got shot." ALL sorts of worms have been let out because of this case.
Race is the smallest of them. |
Celeste Cyra
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:34:00 -
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valar morghulis |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
115
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:41:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it That's not all there is to it. Not that you give a damn. Neighborhood watch is not law-enforcement. GZ started the altercation with TM, and the fight didn't go as he expected, so I he shot him. You attack someone, and when they're about to kill you in self-defense, you kill them and then claim self-defense? If that seems okay to you, then you are as twisted as the Devil at a nightclub. The jury set yet another very dangerous precedent by acquitting GZ, and not even finding him guilty of manslaughter. Again, this thread is in the wrong section. he is guilty of killing the teen but this has nothing to do with race in the 1st place, in the recording he was actually talking with the police at the time he was following the teen, however did you hear the conversation that the teen had with his friend? they were assuming that Zimmerman was gay and wanting to **** him so the teen took the offensive and landed the 1st hit, its the teens fault I never mentioned race. In fact, it's hard to understand why white people had any reason to weigh in racially on the situation when it took place between two minority men. Racial profiling was a part of this situation. It's a fact that GZ profiled him. Profiling is not "racism" it's prejudice. Profiling happens for very sound reasons. However, profiling is not what lead to GZ killing TM. GZ's bad judgment and course of action is. He had no intention of killing TM. He just wanted to keep his neighborhood safe, and he got over zealous. However, his good intentions should have never overshadowed the fact that he killed someone, in a situation that he provoked and caused. You need to keep in mind, Zimmerman did not identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He was stalking him without a word. If someone is simply stalking and following you, you are going to make all kinds of assumptions. Truth be told, this is exactly why my father taught me to make sure I was well-dressed and well-groomed whenever I went out. To avoid idiots like Zimmerman. As wrong as it is to profile someone, it happens. People judge a book by its cover, ALL the time. That's why we should always make sure we look presentable. If Martin was dressed like a street preacher or a Mormon, Zimmerman would have never profiled him incorrectly. Doesn't change the fact, that Zimmerman took a life through a situation that he provoked, although well-intentioned. A murder conviction would be extreme, an involuntary manslaughter or aggravated manslaughter charge would have been appropriate, but an acquittal shows a total disregard for the life lost. That sets a dangerous precedent and can lead to all kinds of political problems... Anti-gun advocates can look at this and demand more govt arms regulations saying: "If the gun wasn't there TM would have never went for it, and GZ would have never used it. No one would have got shot." ALL sorts of worms have been let out because of this case. Race is the smallest of them.
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead. |
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AfroSunshineY Consequence
Clan Choinnich
32
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:44:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:Sorry but TM got what he wanted, a fight. GZ did nothing wrong, yet people want to convict him of what? Funny thing is where is the media attention for these stories? Black man shoots white teenor this one 12yo torched to deathTM was neither innocent, nor was GZ guilty. Stop making this about race and make it about facts. Now let's drop it and play the damn game and get on with life. Too much time was wasted on this already. It got attention because what happened sparked a national discussion about Stand Your Ground laws. Splitting the country on two sides of what they believe was correct, with a few 'facts' on both sides that are way skewed; leading to more discussion. No body cares to talk about incidents where there is no question about who was right or wrong. I can go into why its inherently racist to post links to "look at these black people killing white people too! no one talked about that!?" because it misses the entire point of the topic.
Again, why this sparked a discussion about "Stand Your Ground" laws is beyond me.... the case wasn't a sand your ground case. THe words "stands your ground" didn't even occur in that order anywhere in the entire transcript of the trial. It was a self-defense case. Originally it was thought that the police didn't charge Zimmerman on the basis of stand your ground but that was erroneous media speculation (cough MSNBC cough) that was politically motivated towards an end. The case was purely self-defense. This entire conversation nationally has been such a farce - it's been destructive, not constructive.
Please let's get back to New Eden. Where are the mods when you actually need them for goodness sakes
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:45:00 -
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"no one would've gotten shot"
yeah. it would have been someone stabbed, or getting beaten to death. An acquittal shows that the jury did their jobs in casting aside emotion to follow the facts and rule of law.
TM struck first. GZ had genuine fear for his life(whether said fear was rational or not is outside the law). which allowed for the usage of lethal force on his part to defend his life.
Thereby, acquittal was the appropriate verdict according to the law, which is to be the singular lens when the jury is to render a verdict. No emotion, no race, no religion, just the law. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
789
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:46:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it That's not all there is to it. Not that you give a damn. Neighborhood watch is not law-enforcement. GZ started the altercation with TM, and the fight didn't go as he expected, so I he shot him. You attack someone, and when they're about to kill you in self-defense, you kill them and then claim self-defense? If that seems okay to you, then you are as twisted as the Devil at a nightclub. The jury set yet another very dangerous precedent by acquitting GZ, and not even finding him guilty of manslaughter. Again, this thread is in the wrong section. he is guilty of killing the teen but this has nothing to do with race in the 1st place, in the recording he was actually talking with the police at the time he was following the teen, however did you hear the conversation that the teen had with his friend? they were assuming that Zimmerman was gay and wanting to **** him so the teen took the offensive and landed the 1st hit, its the teens fault I never mentioned race. In fact, it's hard to understand why white people had any reason to weigh in racially on the situation when it took place between two minority men. Racial profiling was a part of this situation. It's a fact that GZ profiled him. Profiling is not "racism" it's prejudice. Profiling happens for very sound reasons. However, profiling is not what lead to GZ killing TM. GZ's bad judgment and course of action is. He had no intention of killing TM. He just wanted to keep his neighborhood safe, and he got over zealous. However, his good intentions should have never overshadowed the fact that he killed someone, in a situation that he provoked and caused. You need to keep in mind, Zimmerman did not identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He was stalking him without a word. If someone is simply stalking and following you, you are going to make all kinds of assumptions. Truth be told, this is exactly why my father taught me to make sure I was well-dressed and well-groomed whenever I went out. To avoid idiots like Zimmerman. As wrong as it is to profile someone, it happens. People judge a book by its cover, ALL the time. That's why we should always make sure we look presentable. If Martin was dressed like a street preacher or a Mormon, Zimmerman would have never profiled him incorrectly. Doesn't change the fact, that Zimmerman took a life through a situation that he provoked, although well-intentioned. A murder conviction would be extreme, an involuntary manslaughter or aggravated manslaughter charge would have been appropriate, but an acquittal shows a total disregard for the life lost. That sets a dangerous precedent and can lead to all kinds of political problems... Anti-gun advocates can look at this and demand more govt arms regulations saying: "If the gun wasn't there TM would have never went for it, and GZ would have never used it. No one would have got shot." ALL sorts of worms have been let out because of this case. Race is the smallest of them.
its because the ones that were blowing it out of proportion were liberal dumbasses, not a single republican guy brought race into the issue, it was all the liberals that wanted the race thing to start |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:48:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case.
Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore.
In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:48:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:"no one would've gotten shot"
yeah. it would have been someone stabbed, or getting beaten to death. An acquittal shows that the jury did their jobs in casting aside emotion to follow the facts and rule of law.
TM struck first. GZ had genuine fear for his life(whether said fear was rational or not is outside the law). which allowed for the usage of lethal force on his part to defend his life.
Thereby, acquittal was the appropriate verdict according to the law, which is to be the singular lens when the jury is to render a verdict. No emotion, no race, no religion, just the law.
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAW! |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
706
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:51:00 -
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I once went hunting elk with my old man. While we were loading the buck onto the truck, he said to me
"Pup, you know what the difference between this dead animal and a dead human?"
Not knowing what to say, I said nothing.
"Nothing. There is no god damn difference. So you take care of yours."
Some believe that the minute you lay your hands on someone for what ever reason, you forfeit your life or value. whether latino or white guy from Texas who killed a black man. Guy probably would have walked on that basis.
"But how can that be? I persons life is not so cheap." Those are your own personal views. You will be surprised at how many feel different. |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
206
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:51:00 -
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This thread will end well...
*sits back and grabs popcorn* |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
115
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:53:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun.
Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left.
Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
673
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:01:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:"no one would've gotten shot"
yeah. it would have been someone stabbed, or getting beaten to death. An acquittal shows that the jury did their jobs in casting aside emotion to follow the facts and rule of law.
TM struck first. GZ had genuine fear for his life(whether said fear was rational or not is outside the law). which allowed for the usage of lethal force on his part to defend his life.
Thereby, acquittal was the appropriate verdict according to the law, which is to be the singular lens when the jury is to render a verdict. No emotion, no race, no religion, just the law.
GZ pursued TM. CHASING HIM. You can hear him panting as he runs pursuing TM. Who's the aggressor again?
Laws exist because OF emotion, and how people FEEL about certain things that we call "crimes".
No such thing as law without emotion. What you speak of is called "procedural due process". Procedural due process requires that laws be fairly and equally applied. What I speak of is "substantive due process" which is evaluating the fairness and equity of laws themselves, not just of how they were applied.
An example of the difference between procedural and substantive due process, consider a hypothetical law requiring all blue-eyed people to give half their property to the government. An analysis based on procedural due process would focus on whether the law was applied with proper procedure. If this hypothetical law were applied correctly by the courts, it would pass the test of procedural due process.
Substantive due process, however, evaluates the fairness of the law's substance, or essential nature. Would it be fair for the government to single out people with blue eyes and take half their money? Obviously, the answer is "No," even if the courts followed all the right procedures in applying the law.
The jury failed in it's duty. But an acquittal means that an appeal cannot be made. The case is over. Injustice based on prejudice prevailed. The Martin family learned the hard lesson of making sure that their children go into public looking well-dressed and presentable. Zimmerman should have learned that taking the law into his own hands is not as glamorous as the movies make it look, but instead he was praised, and let off the hook by a jury that ignored substance and robotically stuck to procedure.
Judges even reduce the pressure of a sentence both in criminal and civil law depending on circumstances, motives, the state of the defendant, etc. The law is only supposed to be blind in so far as who justice is being provided to, but NEVER blind to the substantive details of the case. |
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun. Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left. Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe.
Simple Google search. 2011 Florida Statutes 784.048
Definition 2 of stalking: "Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention."
If you can't see the faults that BOTH sides have in this case, then you have one of the worse cases of confirmation bias that I have ever seen, and that makes your analysis no more insightful than the jury. "Tyranny of the majority".
GÇ£Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.GÇ¥ -- The Federalist No. 55
May I never find myself on the bench of judgment before a jury of my fellow Americans. I hate you guys. |
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