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Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:41:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:Void Echo wrote:Jathniel wrote:You are aware that the NDAA was signed again during that entire bullshit trial and incident right? Far more things to be concerned about.
There's truckloads of injustice going on all over our country, and our god damned planet.
Should a woman be raped for dressing like a *****? No. Should a man be shot for dressing like a thug? No.
Does it still happen? Yes. Are people idiots? Yes.
Take this BS out of General Discussion and put it in The Locker Room. I don't come to these forums to see this ****. he wasn't killed because he was dressed like a thug, jesus youv been watching liberal news, he was trying to kill Zimmerman for no reason and Zimmerman defended himself, all there is to it That's not all there is to it. Not that you give a damn. Neighborhood watch is not law-enforcement. GZ started the altercation with TM, and the fight didn't go as he expected, so I he shot him. You attack someone, and when they're about to kill you in self-defense, you kill them and then claim self-defense? If that seems okay to you, then you are as twisted as the Devil at a nightclub. The jury set yet another very dangerous precedent by acquitting GZ, and not even finding him guilty of manslaughter. Again, this thread is in the wrong section. he is guilty of killing the teen but this has nothing to do with race in the 1st place, in the recording he was actually talking with the police at the time he was following the teen, however did you hear the conversation that the teen had with his friend? they were assuming that Zimmerman was gay and wanting to **** him so the teen took the offensive and landed the 1st hit, its the teens fault I never mentioned race. In fact, it's hard to understand why white people had any reason to weigh in racially on the situation when it took place between two minority men. Racial profiling was a part of this situation. It's a fact that GZ profiled him. Profiling is not "racism" it's prejudice. Profiling happens for very sound reasons. However, profiling is not what lead to GZ killing TM. GZ's bad judgment and course of action is. He had no intention of killing TM. He just wanted to keep his neighborhood safe, and he got over zealous. However, his good intentions should have never overshadowed the fact that he killed someone, in a situation that he provoked and caused. You need to keep in mind, Zimmerman did not identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He was stalking him without a word. If someone is simply stalking and following you, you are going to make all kinds of assumptions. Truth be told, this is exactly why my father taught me to make sure I was well-dressed and well-groomed whenever I went out. To avoid idiots like Zimmerman. As wrong as it is to profile someone, it happens. People judge a book by its cover, ALL the time. That's why we should always make sure we look presentable. If Martin was dressed like a street preacher or a Mormon, Zimmerman would have never profiled him incorrectly. Doesn't change the fact, that Zimmerman took a life through a situation that he provoked, although well-intentioned. A murder conviction would be extreme, an involuntary manslaughter or aggravated manslaughter charge would have been appropriate, but an acquittal shows a total disregard for the life lost. That sets a dangerous precedent and can lead to all kinds of political problems... Anti-gun advocates can look at this and demand more govt arms regulations saying: "If the gun wasn't there TM would have never went for it, and GZ would have never used it. No one would have got shot." ALL sorts of worms have been let out because of this case. Race is the smallest of them.
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:53:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun.
Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left.
Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:20:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone up is. Protecting yourself is not illegal (except in california).
I can follow you and i can saw whatever i want. Doesn't give you a right to kick my ass.
Gz is morally in the wrong. Tm is legally in the wrong. And dead.
Actually stalking is illegal.... in every state. Stalking wasn't one of the charges... feel free to speculate on the "why" of that as much as you want. Doesn't change the justice system's failure in this case. Stay away from Florida. Get into a fight with someone there, and they can kill you and simply say you went for their gun. Damn happy I don't live there anymore. In Florida, if you attack someone, and they start to kick your ass, you have the right to kill them. Have fun. Stalking is NOT following. Public property was never left. Tm didn't have any cuts or bruising to suggested he was attacked. So where does that come into play? Completely make believe. Simple Google search. 2011 Florida Statutes 784.048Definition 2 of stalking: "Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention." If you can't see the faults that BOTH sides have in this case, then you have one of the worse cases of confirmation bias that I have ever seen, and that makes your analysis no more insightful than the jury. "Tyranny of the majority". GÇ£Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.GÇ¥ -- The Federalist No. 55 May I never find myself on the bench of judgment before a jury of my fellow Americans. I hate you guys.
Even if that broad generalization covered Gz, is the punishment for that misdmeanor a fine? Or is it getting your ass kicked?
I'm pretty sure no crime comes with a punishment of a beating.
However the crime of battering someone does give you the option of defending yourself.
You make up tm being under attack which never happened. Why don't you want to talk about that anymore?
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Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:30:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path.
This man understands. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:37:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. I am a man of rules. I do not let my emotions govern my movements as they've... led to poor choices of action in my past.
Kindred spirits. Released from the military due to poor choices made regarding my fellow airmen. He broke no rules while i did. Kinda like tm. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:41:00 -
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Another nonsensical post that doesn't want to address anything regarding the case or his comments pertaining to it.
I bet you study liberal arts. Get a real degree. Mathematics. Computer science. Hell even an English degree. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:46:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:substantive is separate from procedural for a reason. you cannot evaluate the law on an individual basis, picking and choosing how to apply the law to each and every crime, or else we just become a bunch of blood for blood screaming children, demanding the law change with every crime.
The law should be evaluated regularly, but should not on a "oh well I don't like how it worked this time" basis. The law should be evaluated for its capacity to protect those whom live under it's rule. If a law does not provide for the protection of the general public, it should not exist.
As the law stands, GZ is in the right. TM was also in the right until he decided to confront and attack GZ. after that, he was in the wrong. GZ then killed him as he felt his life was threatened(again, rational or irrational fear is irrelevant). GZ never left his legal rights. TM did.
I do not rewrite laws to my favor. I follow the ones that agree with my current path. This man understands. Ok, wait. I assume you've all heard the recording of the phone conversation. So after being told not to follow the kid, he does so anyway, accosts him in a small space with limited room to escape, and Martin doesn't know if this guy is some serial killer or a pedophile or something. I'm to understand that "Stand your Ground" only applies to the guy with the gun? What sense does that make? And would you really just stand there and hope the guy coming at you with a hostile manner doesn't want to hurt you or anything? Your logic is pretty off there. But all of that is beside the point. Why is this even here? We have an Off Topic section for a reason.
Aggressive manner is heresay. No evidence supports it.
Stand your ground law was not cited in this case. It was self defence laws. Standard ones that apply in nearly every state.
No you cannot attack someone who hasnt said anything threatening or attacked you. It's a crime.
The person who commited a CRIME died. No other crimes were committed. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:56:00 -
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Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back?
Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:05:00 -
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Grass on your back and a bloody face to grass on your knees (from a full mount position) and no bruising or injuries.
I don't know what world you live in but if you punch someone they're going to have a sign of it.
Unless you mean aggressor as in words, in which case YOU CAN HEAR THE ENTIRE PHONECALL!
I use Gz and tm because i am on a phone. Good job jumping to more conclusions again. Please use facts whenever discussing something.
The emotion you follow won't **** you well in real life.
Edit. Tried to type suit. I like the curse better |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:16:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back?
Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious. A stranger you don't know starts after you, 'not wanting you to get away' with something you haven't even done. I reckon "fight or flight" instincts would kick in for you too. Assault only counts if you're the aggressor, which to public knowledge, Mr. Martin was NOT. Why don't you understand this?
In California law and the ucmj aggressor is the person who physically starts the fight. Those are the only two that I personally have experience with.
I dont like that you hide behind the word aggressor.
The entire incident is on recording. Gz isn't even the "aggressor" if you count words.
Again if you want to say he was physically the aggressor why no signs of it on tm?
You can only make yourself look stupid, ignorant, and emotional by not knowing the facts and cherry picking what you'll respond to while abandoning all leads you're proven wrong on. |
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Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:31:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Jathniel wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Assault is a crime. Or did Gz scream for help and have a bloody face because he tripped and repeatedly slams his face in the ground and rub grass on his back?
Tm committed no crimes. Gosh darn that's hilarious. A stranger you don't know starts after you, 'not wanting you to get away' with something you haven't even done. I reckon "fight or flight" instincts would kick in for you too. Assault only counts if you're the aggressor, which to public knowledge, Mr. Martin was NOT. Why don't you understand this? really? he didn't throw the first blow? last I checked, swinging at someone first for any reason on public property where both of you have a right to be marks you as the aggressor under the law. following someone across public property is not a crime. christ, if that was a crime just about everyone would be guilty at some point or another just by having to go to the same relative places within a town. Well, to be honest, you don't know who threw the first blow. I seriously doubt, Martin, the unarmed person that was trying to run away did though. That's an opinion. lol oops. He didn't have a car. So much for running being useful anymore. I better turn and fight. You seem to think that Zimmerman, the person in pursuit, had the intention of chasing him as vigorously as he did because he wanted to have a few words with him. lol oops! "I'm going to chase you down, because I have something I want to say." Okay, shout to him then. Say "Wait!" Say, "Hey, chill! I'm not trying to hurt you!" "Hey! I'm with the neighborhood watch! Where are you headed?" "Don't run! I'm not your enemy!" SOMETHING to indicate to the person that you're within ear shot of, that you have no intention of hurting them. Would that be that hard? The person approaching another person is the one that sets the frame for the interaction.
Could have said something. Commited no crime by NOT saying something.
Tm had no evidence of ANY physical attack at all.
Seriously man. None of your responses have any facts or evidence. It's all your feelings or your morals.
Crimes are crimes. Not crimes are... Well.... Not.
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Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:49:00 -
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Skidd McMarx wrote:Why is this on the forums.
Dead game. Dead forums.
Promises of vehicle buffs in 1.4
Vehicle nerfs far sooner than this. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:54:00 -
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ITT: A troll with no facts argues hypotheticals and emotions and refuses to ONCE respond to and refutation of his statements because there is nothing to respond with except " maybe you're right"
Guarantee he replies to this though because it has no facts. Only emotion :) |
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:13:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:I mean, the ridiculous thing is that what the jury effectively found is that no one was killed. That pretty much sums it up. Self-defense would protect him from a murder conviction.... but not say an involuntary manslaughter or aggravated manslaughter conviction, because he STILL killed someone, even IF it was by means of a legal act. Somehow, they essentially said he didn't kill anyone. lol
This is what bleeding hearted children actually believe. You know nothing of law. Just stop.
Feel free to respond to any of my 6 other posts refuting all your arguments though. |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.21 08:12:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:the mind provides governance to the heart. a direction. without it, you have a bunch of meaningless fluff that screams out every time it sees something it decides is an injustice.
do not mistake my rules and their execution for subservience. I said that I follow the laws that are in line with my current goals nothing more, nothing less.
I am the person who changes the rules from the inside, over time. not some idiot rebel who has to become a martyr to get any change made.
it is because my mind rules my heart that I can abide the laws I do not enjoy, and the slings and arrows of those who bleed freely.
IN THE MIND is the battle truly won. you can force change on someone with your heart, but until their MIND accepts this change it is worthless.
Sorry about the poetic nature of my posting, while it is your ass I'm roasting, now I don't mean to be boasting, but in this debate, you would appear to be a reprobate, please do know that it is that which i hate.
Now let me sleep god-damn-it, you keep setting off my bloody-heart-dar. it's like a radar but it alerts me to people who don't like the world and think that posting on a forum will change anything about it. Then go the fk to bed, instead of bothering to make rhymes, you crazy *******. Eurydice Itzhak wrote:This is what bleeding hearted children actually believe. You know nothing of law. Just stop.
Feel free to respond to any of my 6 other posts refuting all your arguments though. You take pride in not having a "bleeding heart" huh? Someone made you cry when you were little and you decided to be a hard ass by being an icy cold sentinel of law? Look up what the purpose of the law actually is. Read some history. Look at some cases. Learn what a legal precedent is, then come back and read everything you posted. When you feel dumb about it, you'll see why I didn't respond to you.
Far from a hard ass just not completely blinded by emotion. You wanted to talk about the facts of the case until you were proven to not have watched the trial.
Then it becomes about changing the law and making a difference.
You wanted to talk about being kinder to your fellow man yet it is you who keeps resorting to insults.
The law has been abided by the surviving participate of the incident. It was not abides by the deceased.
If you want to get self defence laws changed that's good for you, but this isn't your platform or thread or medium to get it accomplished. |
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