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Ncredible Beast NEW AGE EMPIRE 93	Posted - 2013.07.19 18:46:00 - [31] - Quote A broke game is a broke game....
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 728	Posted - 2013.07.19 19:38:00 - [32] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Because we're all just a bunch of self entitled pricks with absolutely no patients. WELCOME TO THE CONSOLE SIDE OF GAMING. Please dispose your tears in the blue pitcher Actually the ability to have updates and fixes is a fairly new thing to consoles. For literally decades games were never fixed or updated on consoles. What you got is what you got. Period. You are beating on a strawman.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 92	Posted - 2013.07.19 19:47:00 - [33] - Quote The Info Broker wrote: Mostly referencing Jenza and Nova who both were AFK'ing to the cap before taking the CPM positions.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 147	Posted - 2013.07.19 19:48:00 - [34] - Quote Welcome to the world of Forums. Most of what people post is trolling of one sort or another. The negativity comes from a feeling of inadequacy based on the emotional state they may happen to be in while they type. This is the reason that the intense wording comes first (in a long post) and posts lose focus toward the end (longer post) They are attempting to influence the opinion of a bunch of trolls and newberries by whining in the most effective way they can, by appealing to emotion. This game type is too much for a regular FPSer to understand. They are used to the idea that a game is released in a tier based fashion: Game and content released first, then complete add-ons being available for purchase at a later date. They have no experience with a game which constantly gets updated/ improved upon. This game is almost like an art project. CCP has a vision, from which they will not deviate. We play it as it grows. Bottom line this is a work in progress and ALWAYS will be. Either people have patience and have fun as it grows, or they will GTFO and we will be better for it.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 308	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:00:00 - [35] - Quote heres my opinion based on my own feelings and what ive gleaned from the community: 1. CCP does not engage the community in a meaningful way (by meaningful I think of the way in which they engage the EVE community) 2. the FPS vets expect this to be a straight up, polished FPS game and they want it now and will except nothing less 3. the loyal fans who see the bigger picture and have the patients are losing it because what they were promised so far isn't here so it makes them question if whats coming will ever get here 4. this game is a grind without much else if you don't have a fun community to play it with... and even then its still a grind... and grinding angers people... I have to say from a personal point of view with the PS4 coming and destiny and elderscrolls online being released on it I have to honestly ask myself, as dedicated to CCP's vision as I feel I am and as much as I want to be a part of it, is it worth it? can they do it? I believe the answer is yes.... how much longer can I believe this if CCP doesn't reinvigorate my faith in them... 10 years of EVE is what has kept me believing this long... I need to see something dust side now and soon...
Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 350	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:01:00 - [36] - Quote Why the negativity? If people are playing a game that places a high level of importance on slowly accumulating and carefully spending experience they tend to get a little pissy when radical changes waste weeks or months of their work on the whim of the developers. it doesn't help when the people defending these whims use flawed arguments like "live with your decisions" when the decisions you made don't even matter any more because all of the reasoning and logic behind them are negated by each drastic change. The length of time people put into this game should be based on near static goals they want to set, not fluid goals that shift every time the devs feel like turning an aspect of the game on it's head. If I start playing this game with the goal of playing X role and I spend months building up SP and analyzing each setup to determine which one best suits my needs and goals then I'm allowed to get a little negative when suddenly the setup I've dedicated my time and effort into has been turned into a third rate piece of junk because an existing piece that previously didn't fit any of my needs now has all the advantages of my original choice and then some.
da GAND 187. League of Infamy 92	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:02:00 - [37] - Quote We've been patient since closed beta and open beta, CCPs takes too long to fix little things, Only now have they realized that Dust won't last long.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 611	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:09:00 - [38] - Quote The Info Broker wrote: ^Maxed out characters in a post so I'll just drop this here. I'm not suggesting these are the only issues at the moment, there are quite a few. I just think that these three are the big ones that are tripping up the progress of Dust a bit, I have a lot of hope for Dust still, and I think CCP is already addressing some of the key issues that are holding the game back, I'm wondering what you guys think. Also one last thing, editing a post shouldn't count as a forum post. It makes it annoying to fix posts.... No Dust 514 Representatives. No Dust 514 CPM. The CPM we have now are only EVE and none from Dust 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1077261#post1077261
Django Quik R.I.f.t 1000	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:20:00 - [39] - Quote I was thinking about the Info Broker today and that we hadn't heard from him in forever. What happened to the cool alliance reports you used to do? In relation to the actual thread - it was only 2-3 weeks ago everyone was praising 1.2 for the snow and fps fixes and the like. It comes and goes. People get excited about new stuff for a short while but then realise that old and underlying problems still remain.
da GAND 187. League of Infamy 92	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:21:00 - [40] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: The Info Broker wrote: ^Maxed out characters in a post so I'll just drop this here. I'm not suggesting these are the only issues at the moment, there are quite a few. I just think that these three are the big ones that are tripping up the progress of Dust a bit, I have a lot of hope for Dust still, and I think CCP is already addressing some of the key issues that are holding the game back, I'm wondering what you guys think. Also one last thing, editing a post shouldn't count as a forum post. It makes it annoying to fix posts.... No Dust 514 Representatives. No Dust 514 CPM. The CPM we have now are only EVE and none from Dust 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1077261#post1077261 I don't see the point of the CPM , I haven't heard them do anything to help the development of Dust 514

R F Gyro L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 448	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:29:00 - [41] - Quote I think a lot of it is the "bittervet" syndrome that we've seen in Eve. This happens when players get hooked on a game and then run out of ways to enjoy it. They can't leave, but they don't want to stay. Poor gameplay and annoying bugs will accelerate the decline in enjoyment, of course. Good gameplay and lots of content will keep you going for longer. In Eve there is probably enough content to keep players going for 5 years before they run out of ways to enjoy it, so bittervet syndrome kicks in then. In Dust there is less that one year of content, so it only takes that long to become a bittervet.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 687	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:04:00 - [42] - Quote Calroon DeVil wrote: It's just that CCP keeps on disappointing over and over and over. Bandaid fix for AWOXing (kicking only from the warbarge (LOL?) Shield bandaid fix till propper bonuses are designed/ coded and deployed (2+months) Rebalancing/ -inventing the game every 8 weeks. Their already tiny team of newbies in Shanghai wasting time on bandaid fixes while yea, like Cygnus put it kindly, CCP promising the starts but delivering dog sh+¡t. At some point people just realize what a giant turd this is. Same reason CCP doesn't dare to do any marketing. They know. AWOX? Seriously? You're going to bring up AWOX? How many awoxers have we had after the first week that it happened. It died just like I said it would because corps put in security measures to stop it. Awoxing was not a problem. The problem was console players having their egos stomped on because they thought people were their friends but they ended up being just some jerk who likes making fpsers cry. AWOX -lol- is pointless and petty in this game and if you consider it a problem then you are looking at the wrong problem.
Mintqueer Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:15:00 - [43] - Quote CCP finally killed the community's hope
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:22:00 - [44] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: I believe it is due to those people who are lost in their faith. It is sad, but a unavoidable situation in a universe with so much chaos. The Amarr Empire works diligently to help those poor souls. Those that can be saved, reap the rewards. Those that can not be saved or refuse enlightenment, mercifully are relieved of their torment. Hopefully the Amarr Empire will one day be able to help all souls in needs, and the chaos may one day subside. Wow, we need more like this. I love that you are roleplaying the #@?! outta this. It's what this game should be, more people having fun and throwing themselves into a role.
Purona The Vanguardians 24	Posted - 2013.07.22 09:49:00 - [45] - Quote There are two problems with Dust 514 Content and Skill points they are both the same problem and can be fixed at the same time in simple terms lower skill point cost and ADD content the current situation of small amount of content and high SP cost is down right ludicrous without the triple Xp months it would take me 15 months in order to get the amount of SP which still isnt enough to fill my current role im going to need pilot suit and then some especially with the supposed upcoming nerfs to tanks you want things fixed you add lots of things and you make them cheap this allows people to have a sense of reward when skilling things and less regret when they spend alot of sp on a skill only to get nothing in return
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 704	Posted - 2013.07.22 10:07:00 - [46] - Quote Vehicles getting consistantly nerfed Its going to be worse than BF3 vehicles, at least them are free and respawn while having 2ppl inside or even 3 makes the tank better as a whole I have to keep playing, or afking ive got too much in this game and have 4months active boosters left atm
SGT NOVA STAR No Corporation Specified 71	Posted - 2013.07.22 10:37:00 - [47] - Quote Well once they nerf armor reps i'll officially uninstall the game and journey off into other games. I mean come on, at this point I want this game to fail. Every update they put out makes it feel like a totally different game. Ask the vets how many times they had to "get use to the new aiming system". Some of my friends will play this into the ground, I prefer to help dig the grave. One person who I won't mention has a jailbroken ps3 and has an invisible mod that he's been using on dust recently. The rest are mcc campers or taxi drivers. This game will die. When destiny comes out, lol oh boy I can't wait to see that tranquility servers numbers drop. Maybe ccp should play destiny when it comes out, and take a whole bunch of notes on how a fps space mmo should be.
Noc Tempre Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2241	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:47:00 - [48] - Quote CCP earned their hate slowly and deliberately. They mostly did this through lying. ... I got halfway through writing a point-by-point list of over a year's worth of grievances and just deleted it. The Merc Pack fiasco sums it all up for me though. If you really want more info, I don't feel like using the forums.
Ash1 Ketchum PARAGON-SI 0	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:10:00 - [49] - Quote Purona wrote: There are two problems with Dust 514 Content and Skill points they are both the same problem and can be fixed at the same time in simple terms lower skill point cost and ADD content the current situation of small amount of content and high SP cost is down right ludicrous without the triple Xp months it would take me 15 months in order to get the amount of SP which still isnt enough to fill my current role im going to need pilot suit and then some especially with the supposed upcoming nerfs to tanks you want things fixed you add lots of things and you make them cheap this allows people to have a sense of reward when skilling things and less regret when they spend alot of sp on a skill only to get nothing in return This is totally true. When I entered this game I wanted to just be a vehicle guy, but I only can use the Militia Vehicles. For better gameplay for players who don't play much they should lower costs of skills so that we can enjoy some more victory, rather than death the whole time. I have to play 16 matches if I just want to upgrade just one skill, and within those 16 matches I average around 3-4 kills and 8-9 deaths. This gives me not much SP and I get angry and feel like I didn't accomplish anything. I bet others would agree that dying is not fun in a game so why make a game that requires so much time and depression to those losing so much. Also the matchmaking is HORRIBLE!!! I get put into matches with super skilled players and I don't even get a chance to live. I even have to run away and hide or find a place to sit quietly until the match is over. If the matchmaking was better, and players would play with closely suited players, we would have more fun because there be gunfights that would be better matched.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 310	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:33:00 - [50] - Quote yea man, we need progress

Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 496	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:52:00 - [51] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Welcome to the world of Forums. Most of what people post is trolling of one sort or another. The negativity comes from a feeling of inadequacy based on the emotional state they may happen to be in while they type. This is the reason that the intense wording comes first (in a long post) and posts lose focus toward the end (longer post) They are attempting to influence the opinion of a bunch of trolls and newberries by whining in the most effective way they can, by appealing to emotion. This game type is too much for a regular FPSer to understand. They are used to the idea that a game is released in a tier based fashion: Game and content released first, then complete add-ons being available for purchase at a later date. They have no experience with a game which constantly gets updated/ improved upon. This game is almost like an art project. CCP has a vision, from which they will not deviate. We play it as it grows. Bottom line this is a work in progress and ALWAYS will be. Either people have patience and have fun as it grows, or they will GTFO and we will be better for it. Great post. Plus console gamers are the most immature. Let's just see when school starts if this negativity continues. Of course it will be there, you can't say it won't but it won't be as much. Kids like to talk trash hidden behind anonymity. Basically...trolling. Console gamers also feel entitled. Look how console gamers react when developers release content that isn't part of the season pass. Or games that change direction from E3 to current state. Or just look at how folks here complained about no Academy or training games for new players but when they come they complain about how its implemented. Making silly "CCP is like a child" threads. No, you're behaving like a child. This is the state of the new gamer. If they don't get what they want, when they want, they post threats and try to get folks on their bandwagon to cause an uproar. Instead of constructively expressing how they feel about the game which most of the times they can't do because their own reasons are silly and invalid. I mean, you use the same stupid strategy and get killed, but you figure it to be a OP weapon problem instead of a player problem?
dustwaffle Gravity Prone EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.08.08 09:06:00 - [52] - Quote While I agree with your posts and I haven't read all the replies yet, I want to point out something you missed behind the reasoning. I think, the top top reason is that this game is F2P, and that you don't need to spend any money to post on the forums. If Dust had a monthly subscription, and was really as bad as the Debbie downers make it out to be, you would definitely have less self-entitled whining on the forums. In particular you would have less of these people that don't play and have the game uninstalled, yet are able to log in to the forums to ***** and moan. Unfortunately it's a byproduct of free to play games, since the barrier to entry to such forums is lower. Not saying your, or other poster's, reasons are wrong, just pointing this out.
Spaceman-Rob Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.08.08 09:24:00 - [53] - Quote Ccp is being given excellent advice by its dust player base on how to move forward with this game to make it successful yet ccp chooses to take a different path. At some point hopefully in the near future game developers will realise that making a successful game is giving the players what they want and not what the Devs think they want.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 497	Posted - 2013.08.08 09:28:00 - [54] - Quote If CCP gave this game every single thing that the Dust players suggested, it would turn out to be worse. Some things sound good on paper but the implementation of it doesn't work as imagined. If gamers can tell a developer how to make a good game, then maybe they followed the wrong calling in their lives. Put some faith in your devs. Offer suggestions. And understand that not all things you want can work.
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 39	Posted - 2013.08.08 09:58:00 - [55] - Quote For me the murder taxi is not an issue, I AV them into the ground, if i cant do that (fully buffed LLAV) then I just get somewhere they cant go to. My negativity comes from the sheer amount of AFKing going on, I am aggressive, I want to fight but when (as has happend two times now) 12 ppl are afking on your team and you are up against nyain sain or simialr corps, you get torn to bits, lose a shed load of ISK and you get angry. Add the fact the guns are not correctly balanced, hits dont register, sometimes when I use a duolle i dropppl in a small burst the next guy may take an entire clip even tho he has the same suit HP for no other reason the hits not registering. The stupity of randoms (they come out of accademy way too early dont know what to do so sit back with sniper rifles) I really want to like DUST, I see some good ideas, but they are poorly implemented, SONY pushing CCP to release b4 they had all the racial variants in has not helped. Example: In BF3 I am a machine gunner by nature, I wont do that in DUST becuase I have to wear a really slow clumsy suit to do so, I like to be mobile with protection - the heavy class are the typical RP games TANK class, ie slow with large health pools. So I went into assault, the guy training me for the corp said go AR so i did, I tired all versions of them but only the full auto suited my play style, I am now speccing into Scrambler rifles becuase they are fun and feelbetter to me as a weapon. The SPcap is an issue, becuase even at 8million SP I am way behind alot of others and i like alot of other guys hate being proto stomped into the ground especially when you face certain corps who get lucky with matchmaking and get 12 of them on one team facing you, and they ALL RUN PROTO DROPSUITS AND PROTO MASSDRIVERS AND FLUX GRENADES. You cant go anywhere without explosions everywhere. ENd result its not much fun and I am playing less and less:( I dont want the gametofail but I play games to have fun,if the game is not fun, I stop playing
Purona The Vanguardians 29	Posted - 2013.08.08 10:49:00 - [56] - Quote Not much content to enjoy and the content that is here is either Heavy Machine Gun and heavy is a mostly horrible combo which only really works against low level players but people with proto duvolles will out damage a heavy easily Unbalanced AV and tanks with Av completely devouring tanks takes way to long to get to a competent level in skills for miniscule increases which leaves you mostly with just crappy weapons or crappy armor and core skills Dust 514 has the ability to be a cool game if they just release the stuff that people want and stop trying to make everything last for years this games selling point is variety but you have to specialize to actually stand a chance with any one thing and with alot of skills not implemented it forces alot of people to save skill points for skills limiting what they are actually willing to play
Cat Merc DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 3951	Posted - 2013.08.08 11:15:00 - [57] - Quote Calroon DeVil wrote: It's just that CCP keeps on disappointing over and over and over. Bandaid fix for AWOXing (kicking only from the warbarge (LOL?) Shield bandaid fix till propper bonuses are designed/ coded and deployed (2+months) Rebalancing/ -inventing the game every 8 weeks. Their already tiny team of newbies in Shanghai wasting time on bandaid fixes while yea, like Cygnus put it kindly, CCP promising the starts but delivering dog sh+¡t. At some point people just realize what a giant turd this is. Same reason CCP doesn't dare to do any marketing. They know. About the AWOX thing. If a spy managed to get ingame, they should have the right to do damage. So you won't get to kick players when they're already in game, only in the warbarge. Otherwise I agree.
Wowski KiLo. 24	Posted - 2013.08.08 11:52:00 - [58] - Quote CCP asks for negativity from their players. They want cutt-throats, liars, cheaters, etc., so that it was flocks to their games. The most successful players in Eve are such. I myself have never seen a game with forums like these, in a sense I like it because people are actually honest. I find these forums refreshing.
steadyhand amarr Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1042	Posted - 2013.08.08 12:08:00 - [59] - Quote This is just me and how feel going from avid supporter to only logging on when pesterd too. For me the game at its core is unfun I get better gameplay from other games. So at its core I find dust frustrating and never find a good blanced match anymore. Next is FW that is broken no matter what bs the devs say iv not managed to get a single fight in their in over a week. And I'm not going to wait 10 minutes on the off the chance the game is not a walk over. Lastly I have absolute no faith in the developers to deliver anymore. At closed beta the game was awsome and a lot of fun. The moment the new skrim BS came out the game has only gotten worse and I can't stand to play it anymore. I see Dust514 and its team like the. Farrie F1 team. Lots of talented people at the top of their field. Wreaking a very competitive car. And it's only a star driver keeping them in the game
sammus420 Goonfeet Top Men. 254	Posted - 2013.08.08 12:19:00 - [60] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Next is FW that is broken no matter what bs the devs say iv not managed to get a single fight in their in over a week. And I'm not going to wait 10 minutes on the off the chance the game is not a walk over. There is no denying that right there. Faction Warfare is limited to something stupid like 4 matches at any one time. And they fill up within a minute, but the battle finder doesn't reload at the same time for everyone, so there is a vey high likelyhood that by the time you actually see that a FW has spawned, the game is already full and another isn't going to show up for 5-10 minutes. steadyhand amarr wrote: Lastly I have absolute no faith in the developers to deliver anymore. At closed beta the game was awsome and a lot of fun. The moment the new skrim BS came out the game has only gotten worse and I can't stand to play it anymore. I agree 100%. Pre-Uprising the game was actually good. Aiming wasn't an issue. The game wasn't that pretty, but most everything worked. All we wanted from Uprising was new maps, new gear, and new game modes. Uprising came out and managed to break pretty much everything that worked, and CCP is rushing (hahaha that's probably the wrong word there) to fix the mechanics that worked before. How are we supposed to have faith in the developers when they can't deliver simple things like a responce to the questions they asked us to provide about the Vita app?



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