Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

+1 for respec

Any reason is a good reason for a respec.

Any time is a good time for a respec.

The sp/levling system is already horrible game design...making it arbitrarily harder to check boxes on a spread sheet only makes it worse.

Note: I would like to remind the New Edan HTFU crowd that i have 7.4 million SP but have only spent 2.3 million of it. In other words i play a far more hard core game then you ever will....and i do it by not using the SP/leveling system. Think on that fan boys.

+1 for respec

Any reason is a good reason for a respec.

Any time is a good time for a respec.

The sp/levling system is already horrible game design...making it arbitrarily harder to check boxes on a spread sheet only makes it worse.

Note: I would like to remind the New Edan HTFU crowd that i have 7.4 million SP but have only spent 2.3 million of it. In other words i play a far more hard core game then you ever will....and i do it by not using the SP/leveling system. Think on that fan boys.

+1 for respec

Any reason is a good reason for a respec.

Any time is a good time for a respec.

The sp/levling system is already horrible game design...making it arbitrarily harder to check boxes on a spread sheet only makes it worse.

Note: I would like to remind the New Edan HTFU crowd that i have 7.4 million SP but have only spent 2.3 million of it. In other words i play a far more hard core game then you ever will....and i do it by not using the SP/leveling system. Think on that fan boys.

Nothing to think on. If you don't want to spend it we don't feel obligated to compel you, nor do I feel an sense of inferiority for having spent my SP regularly. If you hate the leveling, why do you stay here? Seriously. Are you a masochist?

Are you a masochist

+1 for respec

Any reason is a good reason for a respec.

Any time is a good time for a respec.

The sp/levling system is already horrible game design...making it arbitrarily harder to check boxes on a spread sheet only makes it worse.

Note: I would like to remind the New Edan HTFU crowd that i have 7.4 million SP but have only spent 2.3 million of it. In other words i play a far more hard core game then you ever will....and i do it by not using the SP/leveling system. Think on that fan boys.

How many threads are we up too now Sinboto? You keeping count?

Never heard of you or seen you in a game. You're talking like a rock star, when in reality you are a garage band.

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. You got nerfed Foo'!!!!!!!!!!!

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Lol guys.

You're being pretty premature with this.

Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respect is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits :




Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW.

Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :)

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Dear Madam,

I would like to inform you that you are officially entitled to a respec of your chromosomes in order to alleviate the naive being that you carry on when you wake up every morning.

Sincerely,
The Community

From another respec thread

Dear Madam,

I would like to inform you that you are officially entitled to a respec of your chromosomes in order to alleviate the naive being that you carry on when you wake up every morning.

Sincerely,
The Community

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.

Dear Madam,

I would like to inform you that you are officially entitled to a respec of your chromosomes in order to alleviate the naive being that you carry on when you wake up every morning.

Sincerely,
The Community

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore.

Anyone else find it comforting to know the only time you ever get a swift and definitive answer from a Dev is when they get to kick your hope in the nuts?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

Except that a nice chunk of their player base is very happy with this decision.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

Anyone else find it comforting to know the only time you ever get a swift and definitive answer from a Dev is when they get to kick your hope in the nuts?

Or as they're more commonly known, the vocal minority of masochistic EVE fanboys who see this as simply another glorious step in the master 5 year plan..

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

This ladies and gentleman, is what it looks like when a butthurt pansy looks like when he doesn't get his way.

This ladies gentlemen is what your children will grow up tobe like if you give them everything they want and let them listen to Drake. Moral of the story... Yolo

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Just glad I got to keep my OP hacking bonus 4/4/4 slot layout, and not restricted to sidearm. Original logi FTW!

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying.

Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles.

Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it.

Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm

I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Buster STFU cause you don't know what you're talking about.



Is the AV role designed for slaying buster or the support role? Cleary another ignorant post from someone who has nevered PC'd which only leads to one conclusion...

Bad player making bad posts

This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop...

Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years

Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs.

One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.

What about MTACS, MAVs, Jets, racial variants of other weapons, cloaking, etc?

No repecs anymore.

logis and i regret that too.
I learned, that you dont need to be in a mainstream fit to be useful, you can be as good as everyone else just by using the fit you like, doesnt matter, how "bad" it is. (like scouts, Pyrex can use scouts like a boss, but everyone else thinks scouts are crap)

So a tip for all those out there who dont want to play a certain role because its not "good": You can play whatever role you want and still kick ass

Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm

At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role.
We have had a fair bit of success in this setup.
You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered.
Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta.

The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game.
If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge.
If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in.
None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault)

Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs.

One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.

Wow. I guess I missed the elite douchebag requirement for joining PC. I thought you just needed clones?

As I've said, in many threads BTW, balancing around PC is fine, as long as there's enough of you generating enough data to make that feasible. But CCP cannot balance around PC play only. Most Dust players don't play that game, sure it needs to be balanced too, but so does pub play. Like it or not, PC is not the end all be all of Dust.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

Yea, because I was one of those people that speced into a caldari logi knowing it was OP and used that advantage to lay waste to everyone around me...

Oh wait, I speced into Minmatar to play an actual logi after spending weeks weighing the pros and cons and expected modifications to existing suits not believing CCP would actually go out of their way to make drastic modifications to some suits destroying all the reasoning behind my decision and wasting weeks of accumulated SP.

I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling.

Dust will never be complete.

By that logic, no game will ever be complete because develops can always add DLC if they want to. Do you think that right now, as it stands, Dust 514 is a 60 dollar game?

Dust will never be complete.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No. Nor did it cost me 60 dollars.

My point, is that CCP has already stated, multiple times, that there will be no respecs. I think that's pretty much the end of the story.

If we compare Eve of 9 years ago, to Eve of today, the entire thing has changed, yet no repec has been given out in all the time I've played (As I understand it there was on early on).

So, CCP, apparently, has decided that there is enough content to do a respec freeze. The fact that you and I differ on where we might draw the line, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans.

Can you bold the part where I am being elitist?
Agree that it can't be balanced around PC data alone, but pub data needs to be purely supplemental. What is overpowered in PC is usually OP in pubs. What is OP in pubs can have 16 people working together against it, and may not be overpowered in PC. What is OP in both, needs to be fixed. Caldari Logis and Core Flaylocks are overpowered in both.

Lets not even talk about balancing for PVE until we have PVE? "Soon" doesn't really have a meaning in the traditional sense.

Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying.

Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles.

Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it.

The only possible scenario for respeccing in the near future would be with the introduction of racial Heavies.
Even then, it should only be a refund of Dropsuit Command investments.

No.

When Jet's arrive, drop ship pilots should not get respecs.

Swarm launcher players did not need or get a respect when Plasma launchers dropped.

HAV pilots should not get a respec for when proto HAV's drop.

AR user should not get a respec for when the Caldari combat rifle drops.


It makes the game a lot boring. We would never have to get more SP after a couple months. We would just wait for the respec and try out the class for a little bit then get bored because we didn't have to work for it. Bad idea and it hurts replay ability.

Man... I can't really say I feel bad for CalLogi players. They were kind of like AR Tac users back in the day.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

"back in the day"? Dude that was like a month ago

I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore.

Closed beta...

My point, is that CCP has already stated, multiple times, that there will be no respecs. I think that's pretty much the end of the story.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

No.

When Jet's arrive, drop ship pilots should not get respecs.

Swarm launcher players did not need or get a respect when Plasma launchers dropped.

HAV pilots should not get a respec for when proto HAV's drop.

AR user should not get a respec for when the Caldari combat rifle drops.


It makes the game a lot boring. We would never have to get more SP after a couple months. We would just wait for the respec and try out the class for a little bit then get bored because we didn't have to work for it. Bad idea and it hurts replay ability.

I want to play as a Minmatar Heavy. Being forced into Amarr heavy is a complete waste of about 1 mil SP. So you think I should just suck it up. Call it diversification. Once Minmatar Heavy is added I will never use the Amarr Heavy again. So much for that argument! It will simply become a complete wast of SP, time, and effort.

I guarantee you if Heavies do not get a respec for Amarr Heavy Frame/Sentinel SP skill line when the others are added I will not be playing this game any longer.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

How exactly was being nerfed from clearly OP to normal with other suits count as "into oblivion?"

As an HAV/Heavy/HMG/Dropship/Scout enthusiast: HTFU

Nope, suck a duck

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

I look at the forums today and i smile...

I coulda gone Cal Logi, but i decided, meh screw it, im going to stick to my guns and go heavy...

i went through the marshmellow HMG days... the logi with more hp days...

and now i just smile

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

I am a dedicated AV player, the first class I ever tried out back in my first day in Chromosome back in January was the standard, free militia swarm fit.

I am very offended that you overlooked us. We are the guys that don't get acknowledged as what we are. We are usually seen as no skill and people don't give a flying Drop ship about us. Though, we are here.

You also forget drivers and pilots. The difference between the roles in EVE and in Dust, is that in Dust you have a lot more freedom in making a far more specific build; heavy sniper, assault shotgun, logi swarm launcher... etc. You as a player impose a role upon yourself, that is it.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

It is hurting playability for me currently because I am forced to play as Amarr Heavy when I want to be a Minmatar Heavy. I shouldn't have to spec into 2 different races dropsuits from the same class just because they were not released together.

I want to play as a Minmatar Heavy. Being forced into Amarr heavy is a complete waste of about 1 mil SP. So you think I should just suck it up. Call it diversification. Once Minmatar Heavy is added I will never use the Amarr Heavy again. So much for that argument! It will simply become a complete wast of SP, time, and effort.

I guarantee you if Heavies do not get a respec for Amarr Heavy Frame/Sentinel SP skill line when the others are added I will not be playing this game any longer.

only if there a fee

CCP i willing to burn 50,000 - 100,000 AURS if that what it takes ,

btw if there a reset button , there will be no QQ and CCP can nerf & buff & add new items, anything they like and very less QQ in the long run.

Yeah! except that whole "its not pay to win" thing wont hold any water anymore. Seriously, you people amaze me! We've had the option to get TWO respecs so I don't understand why you all could possibly want more...... like seriously? Stop complaining and live with the decisions you made!

Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs.

One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.

If it didn't take 6 months to get to level 5 in what is the equivalent of a tech 1 frigate in eve online *basic suit*

Not to mention getting that skill to level 5 gives you 6 whole completely different max out ships for a single skill in what is it.... 1 week?

1 week to get frigates to level 5? that sounds about right

in dust it's 3 months, for a single suit

but yes IF there is ever a reset it should be once we have every racial suit and vhecial. but if costs were changed to not be stupid, then we would never NEED a reset

its not fair to nerf **** all the time and not give people sp back stop screwin people out of points ccp

From another respec thread

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

Buster STFU cause you don't know what you're talking about.



Is the AV role designed for slaying buster or the support role? Cleary another ignorant post from someone who has nevered PC'd which only leads to one conclusion...

Bad player making bad posts

waaaaaah waaaaaaaah

. they chose Logi not you

. Logi was overused for the wrong reason

. Logi still has value to offer

. if they don't like this they can grind for what they should have in the first place.

Heres some Desitine for that rash

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

1. No, you do NOT deserve a respect because your FOTM got hit with the nerf-bat. That's the risk you run. You are gods until the developer balances you out. You should've saved your points, as I did (and am doing) in order to spec into what you really wanted (an assault suit) instead of what was good right now (cal logi being best at assault.) You made your bed, now sleep in it.

2. Yes, we DO deserve a respec once they release all the racial variants of the CURRENT suits and vehicles. I've pointed this out here EVE gives out the new toys to ALL of the races, not just two, or in the case of heavy suits, one race. CCP should released the missing versions of the suits and vehicles we already have, then give us a one time respect so we can spec into whatever we would have in the first place.

Okay, flash back to 3x SP just awhile ago.

"Ghost, I'm gonna use this chance to spec into Caldari Logi, they are sooo OP"
"Dude, thats so dumb. You know that is going to be nerfed right?"
"Nah, they will give us the option to respec man!"
"Why would they do that? They are just making the Cal Logi back to what it's supposed to be. Support, not slayer. Why would they cater to people who abused a bad mechanic?"
"Cause they have to everytime they change something!"
*FACEPALM*

TL;DR
Everybody knew this was coming. Unless you have an EXCELLENT reason for a limited respec (like new racial variants), stop whining about how they took away your Assault on steroids.

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.

QQ

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

What about MTACS, MAVs, Jets, racial variants of other weapons, cloaking, etc?

No repecs anymore.

Anyone else find it comforting to know the only time you ever get a swift and definitive answer from a Dev is when they get to kick your hope in the nuts?

Are you ******* kidding me?

Was eve released with only two races of ships? because dust was. Also more to the point with the addition of those dust will become a 64 + year long grind to the top.

Play for 6 months have one dropsuit. Do you not understand how this game is obviously still a beta? what kind of game releases with only half it's content and then says SUCK IT PLAYERBASE NO MORE RESPECS

I've playing eve for 9 years and I NEVER ASKED FOR A RESPEC *but I still got a few*

If you can't tell the *** ******!$*!@#* difference you need to get your sights adjusted

That's not QQ, that's making the perfectly legitimate point that only a tiny fraction of our community actually has opinions that matter, namely him and people who think like him.

The rest of us should be ignored because we're scrubs.

Anyone else find it comforting to know the only time you ever get a swift and definitive answer from a Dev is when they get to kick your hope in the nuts?

Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about whinning players that want to change into a new FOTM because they're no longer OP in their current one.

This ladies gentlemen is what your children will grow up to be like if you give them everything they want and let them listen to Drake. Moral of the story... Yolo

By that logic, no game will ever be complete because develops can always add DLC if they want to. Do you think that right now, as it stands, Dust 514 is a 60 dollar game?

I'm not talking about it actually being complete, cause like you said, it never will be. I'm talking about it feeling like a FULL game, something it doesn't accomplish IMHO.