DUST Search - Will there be a respec due to the Massive changes in 1.3?

Buster Friently wrote:

Nova Knife wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.

I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore.

Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying.

Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles.

Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it.

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Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 353	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:10:00 - [91] - Quote The only possible scenario for respeccing in the near future would be with the introduction of racial Heavies. Even then, it should only be a refund of Dropsuit Command investments.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1567	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:20:00 - [92] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm. I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying. Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles. Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it. I am a dedicated AV player, the first class I ever tried out back in my first day in Chromosome back in January was the standard, free militia swarm fit. I am very offended that you overlooked us. We are the guys that don't get acknowledged as what we are. We are usually seen as no skill and people don't give a flying Drop ship about us. Though, we are here. You also forget drivers and pilots. The difference between the roles in EVE and in Dust, is that in Dust you have a lot more freedom in making a far more specific build; heavy sniper, assault shotgun, logi swarm launcher... etc. You as a player impose a role upon yourself, that is it.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1567	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:25:00 - [93] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: The only possible scenario for respeccing in the near future would be with the introduction of racial Heavies. Even then, it should only be a refund of Dropsuit Command investments. No. When Jet's arrive, drop ship pilots should not get respecs. Swarm launcher players did not need or get a respect when Plasma launchers dropped. HAV pilots should not get a respec for when proto HAV's drop. AR user should not get a respec for when the Caldari combat rifle drops. It makes the game a lot boring. We would never have to get more SP after a couple months. We would just wait for the respec and try out the class for a little bit then get bored because we didn't have to work for it. Bad idea and it hurts replay ability.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 341	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:28:00 - [94] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Rynoceros wrote: The only possible scenario for respeccing in the near future would be with the introduction of racial Heavies. Even then, it should only be a refund of Dropsuit Command investments. No. When Jet's arrive, drop ship pilots should not get respecs. Swarm launcher players did not need or get a respect when Plasma launchers dropped. HAV pilots should not get a respec for when proto HAV's drop. AR user should not get a respec for when the Caldari combat rifle drops. It makes the game a lot boring. We would never have to get more SP after a couple months. We would just wait for the respec and try out the class for a little bit then get bored because we didn't have to work for it. Bad idea and it hurts replay ability. Wouldn't respecs for specific players support specialization.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 128	Posted - 2013.07.19 03:04:00 - [95] - Quote Man... I can't really say I feel bad for CalLogi players. They were kind of like AR Tac users back in the day.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 190	Posted - 2013.07.19 03:25:00 - [96] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: Man... I can't really say I feel bad for CalLogi players. They were kind of like AR Tac users back in the day. "back in the day"? Dude that was like a month ago
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 35	Posted - 2013.07.19 03:30:00 - [97] - Quote Nerfed into oblivion? Please you've been nerfed to fit your actual role in that suit...SUPPORT!!! Not tanking.
Mintqueer Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.07.19 05:11:00 - [98] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. I approve this, because I have faith that this post was made by a very capable part of the staff. +1
Cosgar ParagonX 2840	Posted - 2013.07.19 05:14:00 - [99] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: Man... I can't really say I feel bad for CalLogi players. They were kind of like AR Tac users back in the day. "back in the day"? Dude that was like a month ago Closed beta...
XxGhazbaranxX The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 130	Posted - 2013.07.19 06:28:00 - [100] - Quote people who want respects every time the game changes something are just are mostly the same type that proto stomp with a FOTM. i know of a corp out there that solely uses caldari proto logi and duvolles. CCP should never give out any more respecs. if new content comes out let everyone have to spec into it at an equal pace making it possible for newbies to get into new items at the same pace as older players.

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 469	Posted - 2013.07.19 06:32:00 - [101] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm. I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Right because that is the role the Heavies have right? Righit?? Am I right???
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 778	Posted - 2013.07.19 06:32:00 - [102] - Quote Cosgar wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: Man... I can't really say I feel bad for CalLogi players. They were kind of like AR Tac users back in the day. "back in the day"? Dude that was like a month ago Closed beta... Shudders
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 153	Posted - 2013.07.19 06:40:00 - [103] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: My point, is that CCP has already stated, multiple times, that there will be no respecs. I think that's pretty much the end of the story. They had a sticky clearly stating that too. Then we got two respecs. CCP has weighed the situation in the past and they'll likely do the same in the future.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 153	Posted - 2013.07.19 06:42:00 - [104] - Quote Mike Poole wrote: CCP Mintchip wrote: No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase. All systems normal. The schadenfreude responses to your post Mike have gotten so thick you can eat it up a spoon. It really does confirm the worst expectations of human behavior here.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 469	Posted - 2013.07.19 06:43:00 - [105] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Rynoceros wrote: The only possible scenario for respeccing in the near future would be with the introduction of racial Heavies. Even then, it should only be a refund of Dropsuit Command investments. No. When Jet's arrive, drop ship pilots should not get respecs. Swarm launcher players did not need or get a respect when Plasma launchers dropped. HAV pilots should not get a respec for when proto HAV's drop. AR user should not get a respec for when the Caldari combat rifle drops. It makes the game a lot boring. We would never have to get more SP after a couple months. We would just wait for the respec and try out the class for a little bit then get bored because we didn't have to work for it. Bad idea and it hurts replay ability. It is hurting playability for me currently because I am forced to play as Amarr Heavy when I want to be a Minmatar Heavy. I shouldn't have to spec into 2 different races dropsuits from the same class just because they were not released together. I want to play as a Minmatar Heavy. Being forced into Amarr heavy is a complete waste of about 1 mil SP. So you think I should just suck it up. Call it diversification. Once Minmatar Heavy is added I will never use the Amarr Heavy again. So much for that argument! It will simply become a complete wast of SP, time, and effort. I guarantee you if Heavies do not get a respec for Amarr Heavy Frame/Sentinel SP skill line when the others are added I will not be playing this game any longer.
DeeJay One BetaMax. CRONOS. 66	Posted - 2013.07.19 07:17:00 - [106] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: I want to play as a Minmatar Heavy. Being forced into Amarr heavy is a complete waste of about 1 mil SP. So you think I should just suck it up. Call it diversification. Once Minmatar Heavy is added I will never use the Amarr Heavy again. So much for that argument! It will simply become a complete wast of SP, time, and effort. I guarantee you if Heavies do not get a respec for Amarr Heavy Frame/Sentinel SP skill line when the others are added I will not be playing this game any longer. This is a different kind of situation than this or any future expansions. I think most people, including some of the CPM members, agree that when the racial variants of suits and vahicles get included into the game the specific skill tree should be refunded (that means not all of the SP only the subset regarding Ammar heavies for example)
steadyhand amarr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 952	Posted - 2013.07.19 07:23:00 - [107] - Quote Omg the fourms are priceless this morning I'm loving it 1.3 is going to be awsome I'm going to need a bucket for all the tears
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.07.19 07:36:00 - [108] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is the price you pay for trying to go into the FOTM gear
Marston VC SVER True Blood 603	Posted - 2013.07.19 07:52:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. Thank god, was tired of all the appeasement.
flesth Red Star. EoN. 43	Posted - 2013.07.19 08:41:00 - [110] - Quote TerdY420 wrote: Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion. only if there a fee CCP i willing to burn 50,000 - 100,000 AURS if that what it takes , btw if there a reset button , there will be no QQ and CCP can nerf & buff & add new items, anything they like and very less QQ in the long run.

Viktor Zokas 187. League of Infamy 43	Posted - 2013.07.19 09:24:00 - [111] - Quote TerdY420 wrote: Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion. 2013 Dust 514 Bottled Tears, soon in a store near you.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars Top Men. 106	Posted - 2013.07.19 09:53:00 - [112] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: TerdY420 wrote: Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion. How exactly was being nerfed from clearly OP to normal with other suits count as "into oblivion?" As an HAV/Heavy/HMG/Dropship/Scout enthusiast: HTFU Please tell me one reason to be a logi now. CONS: Less HP. Slower. Less or same shield recharge. Same delays. No sidearm. PROS: Can use equipment. More CPU and PG (just enough to get the same HP as assault) Survivability is what logi had going for it to work against the huge disadvantages of lower speed and no sidearm. That is now greatly diminished. But oh i guess i can look forward to a bonus to Nanohive capacity and supply rate. Woopdy ******* doo!
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 56	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:14:00 - [113] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Nope, suck a duck Dang, I was hoping to be the first... These bunch of wining little duck suckers wanting a respec because their assault+ suit got changed to a logi+ can go grind ambush with their LOGISTICS SUIT now.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood 890	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:41:00 - [114] - Quote I look at the forums today and i smile... I coulda gone Cal Logi, but i decided, meh screw it, im going to stick to my guns and go heavy... i went through the marshmellow HMG days... the logi with more hp days... and now i just smile
DottorBestemmia Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 4	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:44:00 - [115] - Quote ...bene,quindi devo tenermi quello schifo di scout gk.0?yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahh 8kk sp nel cesso :D ... -_________________________-
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:49:00 - [116] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. ...Harumph!!
wayrow1 GRIM MARCH 15	Posted - 2013.07.19 11:04:00 - [117] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: I look at the forums today and i smile... I coulda gone Cal Logi, but i decided, meh screw it, im going to stick to my guns and go heavy... i went through the marshmellow HMG days... the logi with more hp days... and now i just smile Hmmm I see a trooper dressed in gallente gk scout attire carrying his thales sniper rile with 3 complex damage modifiers and complex dampener making him near invisible thales hp damage near 600 . Hiding in those them there hills is death Look out SOMETHING EVIL THIS WAY COMETH!!!! hahaaa
Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:56:00 - [118] - Quote Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh my god. This is priceless. All the people who were laughing and calling those who weren't TAC-AR Calogissaults pubbie scrubs are getting their comeuppance, and they are crying like spoiled children who didn't get a lolly. Welcome to the real world!
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 470	Posted - 2013.07.19 13:18:00 - [119] - Quote Did any of you honestly think you could spec all the way into logistics purely for the purpose of killing people, and they would let you get away with it? Anybody who's pissed off about this is either a true logi who is being nerfed by this, or a stupid sack of sh*t.
Vethosis Eir Gaming 599	Posted - 2013.07.19 14:05:00 - [120] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. mintchip pls



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