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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
218
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:24:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying. Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles. Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it. I am a dedicated AV player, the first class I ever tried out back in my first day in Chromosome back in January was the standard, free militia swarm fit. I am very offended that you overlooked us. We are the guys that don't get acknowledged as what we are. We are usually seen as no skill and people don't give a flying Drop ship about us. Though, we are here. You also forget drivers and pilots. The difference between the roles in EVE and in Dust, is that in Dust you have a lot more freedom in making a far more specific build; heavy sniper, assault shotgun, logi swarm launcher... etc. You as a player impose a role upon yourself, that is it. I have MASSIVE respect for drivers pilots and swarm launcher users... i actually am up to lvl 4 with swarm operation but im terrible with them i also like to drive tanks and have put a decent amount of sp into the skills for them..again im not very good at it....to all you tank commanders dropship pilots and swarm launcher tacticians... YOU GUYS ARE FREAKING BEAST! |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
122
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:45:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers DO give a flying **** about their playerbase.
I'm part of the playerbase and I think it is a good idea.
Munch |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1572
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:54:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Rynoceros wrote:The only possible scenario for respeccing in the near future would be with the introduction of racial Heavies. Even then, it should only be a refund of Dropsuit Command investments. No. When Jet's arrive, drop ship pilots should not get respecs. Swarm launcher players did not need or get a respect when Plasma launchers dropped. HAV pilots should not get a respec for when proto HAV's drop. AR user should not get a respec for when the Caldari combat rifle drops. It makes the game a lot boring. We would never have to get more SP after a couple months. We would just wait for the respec and try out the class for a little bit then get bored because we didn't have to work for it. Bad idea and it hurts replay ability. It is hurting playability for me currently because I am forced to play as Amarr Heavy when I want to be a Minmatar Heavy. I shouldn't have to spec into 2 different races dropsuits from the same class just because they were not released together. I want to play as a Minmatar Heavy. Being forced into Amarr heavy is a complete waste of about 1 mil SP. So you think I should just suck it up. Call it diversification. Once Minmatar Heavy is added I will never use the Amarr Heavy again. So much for that argument! It will simply become a complete wast of SP, time, and effort. I guarantee you if Heavies do not get a respec for Amarr Heavy Frame/Sentinel SP skill line when the others are added I will not be playing this game any longer.
Ok... Bye
There will always be new stuff added. Sorry, but we will not get a respect for every thing new that is added to a class.
LAV drivers should not get a respect when other racial forms come out, neither should they when speeders get released. You may say, well 'I'm different' or 'it's not the same', it is.
When the Caldari scout and Amarr scout get released we will go through this all over again. And again we will say "NO!".
Like a previous poster noted, it will most likely take a year or two for people to realize no more respecs will occur. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
604
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:36:00 -
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flesth wrote:TerdY420 wrote:Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion. only if there a fee CCP i willing to burn 50,000 - 100,000 AURS if that what it takes , btw if there a reset button , there will be no QQ and CCP can nerf & buff & add new items, anything they like and very less QQ in the long run.
Yeah! except that whole "its not pay to win" thing wont hold any water anymore. Seriously, you people amaze me! We've had the option to get TWO respecs so I don't understand why you all could possibly want more...... like seriously? Stop complaining and live with the decisions you made! |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:57:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:flesth wrote:TerdY420 wrote:Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion. only if there a fee CCP i willing to burn 50,000 - 100,000 AURS if that what it takes , btw if there a reset button , there will be no QQ and CCP can nerf & buff & add new items, anything they like and very less QQ in the long run. Yeah! except that whole "its not pay to win" thing wont hold any water anymore. Seriously, you people amaze me! We've had the option to get TWO respecs so I don't understand why you all could possibly want more...... like seriously? Stop complaining and live with the decisions you made!
Live with the decisions you made? Seriously? So you believe that making all of the decisions in your life almost entirely blind is the best way to go?
Lets apply this rationale to a different situation.
Let's say you're at work and you're given 10 vacation days you need to allocate ahead of time, once you allocate them to a specific day and submit them to your boss they're written in stone. So you go ahead and pick your days and a week later the boss announces that they're going to be shutting down the office on five days through the year.
Each and every one of those 5 days lines up with your vacation days and when you ask your boss if you could reallocate your vacation days they tell you tough **** because the policy is vacation days are written in stone and you have to live with the decisions you made.
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1339
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:13:00 -
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Q____Q
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HAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!
srs tho, I saw this coming the day Uprising dropsuit stats were first revealed. The Logi did everything too well.
Pro tip: Dust is *supposed* to function on a rock-paper-scissors model. If rock is doing the job of both rock and scissors expect a nerf-hammer on rock.
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers League of Infamy
1512
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:37:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.
If it didn't take 6 months to get to level 5 in what is the equivalent of a tech 1 frigate in eve online *basic suit*
Not to mention getting that skill to level 5 gives you 6 whole completely different max out ships for a single skill in what is it.... 1 week?
1 week to get frigates to level 5? that sounds about right
in dust it's 3 months, for a single suit
but yes IF there is ever a reset it should be once we have every racial suit and vhecial. but if costs were changed to not be stupid, then we would never NEED a reset |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven EoN.
89
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:51:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game. If it didn't take 6 months to get to level 5 in what is the equivalent of a tech 1 frigate in eve online *basic suit* Not to mention getting that skill to level 5 gives you 6 whole completely different max out ships for a single skill in what is it.... 1 week? 1 week to get frigates to level 5? that sounds about right in dust it's 3 months, for a single suit but yes IF there is ever a reset it should be once we have every racial suit and vhecial. but if costs were changed to not be stupid, then we would never NEED a reset
DUST is not EVE, and EVE is not DUST. The two games function completely differently. A proto suit is currently the best thing you can get in DUST. You're saying because ONE skill in EVE is shorter than a completely and totally different skill in DUST is the reason we need respecs.
With no boosters you can get a proto suit in about 1.5-2 months. And that's the end-all-be-all of DUST. Even after you get Frigate V in EVE you still have T2 ships (Assault Ships, Interceptors, EWAR Frigs, etc) which take similar time to max.
Despite all that, it's still stupid to compare the two games as a matter of making a point. |
Bullets2yaface
Red Star. EoN.
36
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:01:00 -
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its not fair to nerf **** all the time and not give people sp back stop screwin people out of points ccp |
thhrey eyuwayreyuwr
Super Smash Corp.
24
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:39:00 -
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Bullets2yaface wrote:its not fair to nerf **** all the time and not give people sp back stop screwin people out of points ccp
waaaaaah waaaaaaaah
. they chose Logi not you
. Logi was overused for the wrong reason
. Logi still has value to offer
. if they don't like this they can grind for what they should have in the first place.
Heres some Desitine for that rash |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2584
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:58:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:From another respec thread Nova Knife wrote:Lol guys. You're being pretty premature with this. Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respect is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits : Quote: These changes are intended to alleviate some of the current issues with the Logistics suits, but theyGÇÖre still not getting us where we want to be with the suits. A technical issue is currently preventing us from authoring suit bonuses that alter equipment functionality. When this is solved weGÇÖll be giving Logistics suits the bonuses they need to make their role truly shine.
Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW. Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :) You suggest patient thought instead of ranting?
I don't know if my heart can take that.
Mike Poole wrote: This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.
Yeah, because only the people that want in-game support for only running FOTM setups matter. All the rest of us can just go **** ourselves, huh? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2584
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:06:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying. Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles. Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it. Buster STFU cause you don't know what you're talking about. Quote:Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm Is the AV role designed for slaying buster or the support role? Cleary another ignorant post from someone who has nevered PC'd which only leads to one conclusion... Bad player making bad posts Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with you, but spot on, man. |
Bullets2yaface
Red Star. EoN.
36
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:30:00 -
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thhrey eyuwayreyuwr wrote:Bullets2yaface wrote:its not fair to nerf **** all the time and not give people sp back stop screwin people out of points ccp waaaaaah waaaaaaaah . they chose Logi not you . Logi was overused for the wrong reason . Logi still has value to offer . if they don't like this they can grind for what they should have in the first place. Heres some Desitine for that rash
Dude you're stupid im talking about EVERYTHING that gets nerfed they ruin everything they nerf but won't give u the sp back **** that maybe if they could just leave **** alone people wouldn't ask for respec |
Theresa Rohk
The Cuddlefish Templis Dragonaors
3
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:09:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.
Welcome to New Eden. HTFU. |
Ordrian Maxus
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
3
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:53:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase. It's not CCP's fault that you splurged and wasted your SP. |
Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.07.20 00:04:00 -
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I can feel the QQ from here.
This is awesome because now all these MLG pro slayers will be forced to play to the role they specced into. Now there'll be logi support everywhere! |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.07.20 00:28:00 -
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1. No, you do NOT deserve a respect because your FOTM got hit with the nerf-bat. That's the risk you run. You are gods until the developer balances you out. You should've saved your points, as I did (and am doing) in order to spec into what you really wanted (an assault suit) instead of what was good right now (cal logi being best at assault.) You made your bed, now sleep in it.
2. Yes, we DO deserve a respec once they release all the racial variants of the CURRENT suits and vehicles. I've pointed this out here EVE gives out the new toys to ALL of the races, not just two, or in the case of heavy suits, one race. CCP should released the missing versions of the suits and vehicles we already have, then give us a one time respect so we can spec into whatever we would have in the first place. |
Bullets2yaface
Red Star. EoN.
38
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:39:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:1. No, you do NOT deserve a respect because your FOTM got hit with the nerf-bat. That's the risk you run. You are gods until the developer balances you out. You should've saved your points, as I did (and am doing) in order to spec into what you really wanted (an assault suit) instead of what was good right now (cal logi being best at assault.) You made your bed, now sleep in it. 2. Yes, we DO deserve a respec once they release all the racial variants of the CURRENT suits and vehicles. I've pointed this out here EVE gives out the new toys to ALL of the races, not just two, or in the case of heavy suits, one race. CCP should released the missing versions of the suits and vehicles we already have, then give us a one time respect so we can spec into whatever we would have in the first place.
GODS? You grossly overestimate people just because they have the op suit or weapon caldari logi is easy to kill get over it if people didn't cry about everything then things wouldn't have to be "balanced" |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6279
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:26:00 -
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My god people think 1.3 is a massive change... I hate to see what an expansion is considered, humungous? gigantor? galactic?
Guys 1.3 is considerably small. |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI EoN.
167
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:01:00 -
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Okay, flash back to 3x SP just awhile ago.
"Ghost, I'm gonna use this chance to spec into Caldari Logi, they are sooo OP" "Dude, thats so dumb. You know that is going to be nerfed right?" "Nah, they will give us the option to respec man!" "Why would they do that? They are just making the Cal Logi back to what it's supposed to be. Support, not slayer. Why would they cater to people who abused a bad mechanic?" "Cause they have to everytime they change something!" *FACEPALM*
TL;DR Everybody knew this was coming. Unless you have an EXCELLENT reason for a limited respec (like new racial variants), stop whining about how they took away your Assault on steroids. |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2597
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Posted - 2013.07.20 06:08:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Okay, flash back to 3x SP just awhile ago.
"Ghost, I'm gonna use this chance to spec into Caldari Logi, they are sooo OP" "Dude, thats so dumb. You know that is going to be nerfed right?" "Nah, they will give us the option to respec man!" "Why would they do that? They are just making the Cal Logi back to what it's supposed to be. Support, not slayer. Why would they cater to people who abused a bad mechanic?" "Cause they have to everytime they change something!" *FACEPALM*
TL;DR Everybody knew this was coming. Unless you have an EXCELLENT reason for a limited respec (like new racial variants), stop whining about how they took away your Assault on steroids. My thoughts exactly. This is as dumb as the people who demanded all their Beta AURUM back when the game launched while also demanding they get to keep all the skillpoints they earned with the booster they bought with it, saying it was CCPs fault for not wording the "terms of the agreement" properly. |
pierce Hawkeye
843 Boot Camp
38
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Posted - 2013.07.20 12:38:00 -
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TerdY420 wrote:Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.
I would also like for that to happen. hopefully. |
Reaper Skordeman
The Reaper Crew PMC
7
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Posted - 2013.07.20 12:43:00 -
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Check out my topic regarding a Respec.
[UNOFFICIAL POLL] RE-SPECIALIZATION
Apologies for advertising a topic, but I wish for the Poll to reach a large audience for an accurate result. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.07.20 13:56:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. How about in 1.4? I can't have the chance to delve deeper into the scout? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
207
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:00:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase.
QQ |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2615
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:39:00 -
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low genius wrote:Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase. QQ That's not QQ, that's making the perfectly legitimate point that only a tiny fraction of our community actually has opinions that matter, namely him and people who think like him.
The rest of us should be ignored because we're scrubs. |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
72
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Posted - 2013.07.20 17:17:00 -
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TerdY420 wrote:Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.
LOL you and you're cal logi was hit VERY softly by the nerf bat, remember the heavies during the first week of chromosome? no? oh you did see some? they were all using SMG's? why? BECAUSE HMG's GOT HIT HARD ON UPRISING!
also, how are you liking you're awesome Visiam LR... w8 u don't like it? why not? BECAUSE IT GOT HIT HARD BY THE NERF BAT!!!
well, anyways you like you're free baloch - impact? they removed it? I can't believe why you were getting awesome games of 21-0 with it! |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1321
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Posted - 2013.07.20 17:27:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. Thank you CCP Mintchip.
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers League of Infamy
1514
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:45:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game. What about MTACS, MAVs, Jets, racial variants of other weapons, cloaking, etc? No repecs anymore.
Are you ******* kidding me? |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
319
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:26:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Anyone else find it comforting to know the only time you ever get a swift and definitive answer from a Dev is when they get to kick your hope in the nuts? Maybe I'd they kick you again you'll find you nuts.
Remember who's deving a game. What you're asking is like telling Bohemia Interactive to make a unrealistic CoD clone.
They just don't do it.
Both Devs make games that cater to Hardcore guys, by either making brutally realistic, BI, or making it a time consuming game, CCP. Just find the game you want, cause throwing to change a product that a group of people like just doesn't work.
I wouldn't play Arma for an arcade experience. Just as you wouldn't play DUST for game you that you jack up your skill tree and then fix it.
Sorry bro. |
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