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Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
504
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:11:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.
Can you nerf your incompetent development and stop playing with the people that spend time (and money sometimes) into skill in some weapon/suit/skill just to be "fuCCPed" from behind by you in every patch?
Can you just stop be so lames with the forums that cry and cry like babies and just make the game as you want, as you wish?
Just an example: since the closed beta you change the AR in every build. In every build people still kill the other people. 1 or 2 days of playing with the "new AR" and all is the same.
Just make the game.
In 5 years, 30% of the community will get old and will die. Just stop changing the game and stop playing with the time that players give to you.
Don't be so stupids.
*Waiting for the ban* |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
512
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:13:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying. Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles. Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it.
Buster STFU cause you don't know what you're talking about.
Quote:Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
Is the AV role designed for slaying buster or the support role? Cleary another ignorant post from someone who has nevered PC'd which only leads to one conclusion...
Bad player making bad posts
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
269
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:13:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore.
I think most people knew what you meant.... |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1508
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:15:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop...
Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1196
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:16:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote: Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying. Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles. Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it. Buster STFU cause you don't know what you're talking about. Quote:Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm Is the AV role designed for slaying buster or the support role? Cleary another ignorant post from someone who has nevered PC'd which only leads to one conclusion... Bad player making bad posts
lol.
Haven't played PC. That's the only part you got right. BTW, most dust players havent, which makes PC decidedly a minority. You aren't as important as you think you are.
I will give you this though, to be genteel and all, Dust has the protobuds of roles, like AV, but it doesn't yet have roles.
I assume you don't play Eve or you'd know what a real role looks like.
One day Dust may get there, but it's far from there now. The only viable role in Dust, currently, is slayer. Which is why everyone converts everything in to a slayer role, like LLAVs.
For the record, at least in pubs where most players are, if you didn't get kills for doing AV, most players wouldn't. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2489
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:17:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs.
One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1196
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.
What about MTACS, MAVs, Jets, racial variants of other weapons, cloaking, etc?
No repecs anymore.
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2489
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:26:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game. What about MTACS, MAVs, Jets, racial variants of other weapons, cloaking, etc? No repecs anymore. A'hh here we go again
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EternalRMG
Eir Gaming
413
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:29:00 -
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Im sure of 2 things.
1- We might get respecs when we get most basic items (all racial suitts and racial ARs), because getting them everytime we get new items or a nerf would be plain stupid. If you use the OP flavor of the month, you have to be sure, that you will be nerfed so, as i mentioned here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=95311
Quote:logis and i regret that too. I learned, that you dont need to be in a mainstream fit to be useful, you can be as good as everyone else just by using the fit you like, doesnt matter, how "bad" it is. (like scouts, Pyrex can use scouts like a boss, but everyone else thinks scouts are crap)
So a tip for all those out there who dont want to play a certain role because its not "good": You can play whatever role you want and still kick ass
2- i want my respec to respec into Dropships |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
809
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:32:00 -
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Just give us triple SP when 1.3 hits, everyone will be happy. |
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2491
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:33:00 -
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There's a difference between an expansion, and content that should be here in order for this game to considered complete. The other ARs was a bit of a stretch, but the other 3 sentinels, 2 scouts, and every single Amarr and Minmatarr vehichle? those should vae been here before CCP released the game.
But no, instead CCP chose to go with a clever release date, and that somehow makes up for an incomplete game that's missing about 1/3 of it's content
If this game wasn't going to be ready until 2014, then they should have waited till 2014. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
212
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:38:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role. We have had a fair bit of success in this setup. You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered. Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta.
The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game. If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge. If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in. None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault) |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1196
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:41:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role. We have had a fair bit of success in this setup. You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered. Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta. The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game. If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge. If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in. None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault)
Wow. I guess I missed the elite douchebag requirement for joining PC. I thought you just needed clones?
As I've said, in many threads BTW, balancing around PC is fine, as long as there's enough of you generating enough data to make that feasible. But CCP cannot balance around PC play only. Most Dust players don't play that game, sure it needs to be balanced too, but so does pub play. Like it or not, PC is not the end all be all of Dust.
PVE is coming soon as well, and that will need to be balanced as well. |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:42:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.
100% right sloth, one last respec once racial items (released before uprising) comes out, thats all though don't go saying when CCP adds new versions of tanks/LAVs/MAVS/Dropsuits to get a respec then, only what should have been out when the game released. |
Mike Ruan
Pradox One
2
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:44:00 -
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Caldari Logi R.I.P.
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
212
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:46:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role. We have had a fair bit of success in this setup. You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered. Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta. The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game. If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge. If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in. None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault) Wow. I guess I missed the elite douchebag requirement for joining PC. I thought you just needed clones? As I've said, in many threads BTW, balancing around PC is fine, as long as there's enough of you generating enough data to make that feasible. But CCP cannot balance around PC play only. Most Dust players don't play that game, sure it needs to be balanced too, but so does pub play. Like it or not, PC is not the end all be all of Dust.
Can you bold the part where I am being elitist? Agree that it can't be balanced around PC data alone, but pub data needs to be purely supplemental. What is overpowered in PC is usually OP in pubs. What is OP in pubs can have 16 people working together against it, and may not be overpowered in PC. What is OP in both, needs to be fixed. Caldari Logis and Core Flaylocks are overpowered in both.
Lets not even talk about balancing for PVE until we have PVE? "Soon" doesn't really have a meaning in the traditional sense.
PVE is coming soon as well, and that will need to be balanced as well. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:46:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase. Well, they do. In terms of revenue. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
771
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:46:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Mike Poole wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when game developers don't give a flying **** about their playerbase. This ladies and gentleman, is what it looks like when a butthurt pansy looks like when he doesn't get his way. Yea, because I was one of those people that speced into a caldari logi knowing it was OP and used that advantage to lay waste to everyone around me... Oh wait, I speced into Minmatar to play an actual logi after spending weeks weighing the pros and cons and expected modifications to existing suits not believing CCP would actually go out of their way to make drastic modifications to some suits destroying all the reasoning behind my decision and wasting weeks of accumulated SP. my point still stands ^.^ |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2492
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:47:00 -
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I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1196
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:50:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling.
Dust will never be complete. |
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2492
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:54:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling. Dust will never be complete. By that logic, no game will ever be complete because develops can always add DLC if they want to. Do you think that right now, as it stands, Dust 514 is a 60 dollar game? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1196
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:57:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling. Dust will never be complete. By that logic, no game will ever be complete because develops can always add DLC if they want to. Do you think that right now, as it stands, Dust 514 is a 60 dollar game? No. Nor did it cost me 60 dollars.
My point, is that CCP has already stated, multiple times, that there will be no respecs. I think that's pretty much the end of the story.
If we compare Eve of 9 years ago, to Eve of today, the entire thing has changed, yet no repec has been given out in all the time I've played (As I understand it there was on early on).
So, CCP, apparently, has decided that there is enough content to do a respec freeze. The fact that you and I differ on where we might draw the line, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans.
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Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:58:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling. Dust will never be complete. Not an excuse for mediocrity though and calling it a released game either.
As a F2P CCP can call it the greatest release ever, but it only makes a mockery of the players.
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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:01:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.
How bout 1.4?
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2493
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:04:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling. Dust will never be complete. By that logic, no game will ever be complete because develops can always add DLC if they want to. Do you think that right now, as it stands, Dust 514 is a 60 dollar game? No. Nor did it cost me 60 dollars. My point, is that CCP has already stated, multiple times, that there will be no respecs. I think that's pretty much the end of the story. If we compare Eve of 9 years ago, to Eve of today, the entire thing has changed, yet no repec has been given out in all the time I've played (As I understand it there was on early on). So, CCP, apparently, has decided that there is enough content to do a respec freeze. The fact that you and I differ on where we might draw the line, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans. *Shrug*
At least I didn't buy a veteran pack |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
140
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:04:00 -
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Good job CCP keep digging that grave and killing dust all by yourself. I'm not a logi but now those folks are stuck in that build.
So guess what will happen they will either quit Dust or AFK both options are bad.
Nice job no respec keep sticking to that and watch the player numbers dip.
When wr are down to a 1,000 players is that when you will decide it's time to have respecs as an option? 9/17/13 can't come fast enough good luck you will need it. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1197
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:04:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role. We have had a fair bit of success in this setup. You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered. Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta. The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game. If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge. If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in. None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault) Wow. I guess I missed the elite douchebag requirement for joining PC. I thought you just needed clones? As I've said, in many threads BTW, balancing around PC is fine, as long as there's enough of you generating enough data to make that feasible. But CCP cannot balance around PC play only. Most Dust players don't play that game, sure it needs to be balanced too, but so does pub play. Like it or not, PC is not the end all be all of Dust. Can you bold the part where I am being elitist? Agree that it can't be balanced around PC data alone, but pub data needs to be purely supplemental. What is overpowered in PC is usually OP in pubs. What is OP in pubs can have 16 people working together against it, and may not be overpowered in PC. What is OP in both, needs to be fixed. Caldari Logis and Core Flaylocks are overpowered in both. Lets not even talk about balancing for PVE until we have PVE? "Soon" doesn't really have a meaning in the traditional sense.
Rereading your post, you aren't overly elitist, just a bit. Combined with Regnum's trash earlier, I guess I was just primed for it. Having said that though, your post does reek though of subtle elitism - playing PC doesn't make you better, just like playing pubs doesn't make someone worse, just different. I can see that your post has the air about it of trying to smack me down because you and I disagree on the idea of what balance means, and what indicates a mistake in balance. Disagreements are normal. Trying to imply that pub players have too few SP to be competitive is pretty laughable actually.
You aren't better than anyone else. Got it? This is why I believe that PC should be a consideration for balancing, but honestly, it isn't a very important part of the game right now, so it should be the secondary consideration until it is.
It's true PC matches are more organized. That's about it though, and all that means is that we have two different games here, and they need to be treated as such. Also, PVE is coming soon, and I'm sure it's a consideration to CCP even if you don't want to admit as much. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6240
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:06:00 -
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I wouldn't call it drastic at all, this is a MINOR change. |
HK Rage
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
27
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:06:00 -
[89] - Quote
I like that people are saying that no respec's will mean a lower player-base. Honestly I don't think they really care about Dust Player Base too much, the game is essentially still in Beta and they can relaunch the game if they do ever finish patching the game. |
Lo'Kir
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:10:00 -
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Its about time CCP that this happened! As for you that are upset about this... I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted and you should of known this was happening |
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