Wen I'm having fun I run standard memitar logi with the Ec-3 assualt mass driver , I'm usally run heavy with proto laser, now mass drivers aren't op and I swear DON'T get the devs confused my mass driver has 7.5 m splash radius 75rpm and and 75hp splash damage ..... At level 4 that's pretty balanced to me at least I'm not spray and praying with a gek or duvoll ......

Despite what you say I laugh at the fact that you call any AR/scrambler user spray and pray when your using a weapon that can hit for alot of dmg in a 7.5 meter radius...no doubt you dont pray...you dont freakin have to when your weapon had a radius that big. You can miss them by a mile and still do decent damage to them.

Anti-Shields are precision other than Flux which poses no lethality alone.

I call bull, I'v been killed by flux grenades many times.

same
I've even killed myself on occasion
Once I took out a tank but in all fairness it was kinda wrecked. But still it wasn't on fire so a dam flux shouldn't have had an effect on it at all.... was still kinda cool to see though.

Flux grenades are glitched. I blew up a blaster intillation at full health just by lobbing one at the guy manning it.

Flaylock pistols should be removed.

Mass drivers need to be re balanced.

Mass Driver user here. Mass Drivers are OP in my opinion, but to be fair, I don't exactly have Proficiency levels in other weapons. Feels like base damage is enough to make even shield tankers cringe and don't get me started on how easy it is to make Armor tankers disappear.

All the weapons in the game have situations in which they are at great disadvantage and the Mass Driver is no exception. The Mass Driver rounds do not fly as fast as a Flaylock Pistol's, so its only a little bit harder to direct hit moving targets and further targets. Really close targets and obstructions have made me kill myself or come pretty close on many an occasion. Ultimately, the Mass Driver is deadliest when the user is on a greater elevation than his opponent and his opponent is not on a slope, but on flat ground. Walls and objects to shoot near the Mass Driver victim is also pretty sweet. Mass Drivers are best engaged at extreme close range, long range, on tricky slopes where the Mass Driver is higher on the slope you both are on, on elevations in your favor, or in shield based vehicles.

I've discovered the joy of cooked Flux Grenades and a couple shots from my EXO-5 Mass Driver (the regular variant of Advanced level) could take anybody out regardless of what they ran. Heavies go down pretty easily with that combination especially by direct hits. Light dropsuits barely exist before the might of explosive weaponry in general. Needless to say, most enemies hate me.

My suggestion is to lower the base direct damage by 5%, the splash damage by 15%, and give it much less damage to anything below the blast but greater damage to anything above the blast. If you get to cover at a lower elevation, crouch, or prone (please let us go prone), then explosive weaponry in general should be less of a threat. If you jump away from an explosive round, you should be ragdolled. I've jumped away and eluded a bit of damage from grenades and other Mass Driver users much to their dismay, and the opposite has been true.

TL;DR version: slight nerf, new splash damage mechanics

Like I said before, I don't have proficiency in any other weapons. It is just my opinion.

Proficiently or not, you're citing that you use the weapon in its proper situation, with flux grenades, and claim that it's OP. Try going to-to-toe against an AR or ScR without flux grenades while on level ground in an open area and see how OP the MD really is.

You're right. Its scary being as slow as I am in an Amarr Logi in open areas. I'm not invincible with the Mass Driver, but I still hold the opinion that they're a little too strong.

Most mass driver kills on the feed are Either kill steals or a flux/mass double wammy which by the way is not necessary to use with any other weapon making the mass driver the only weapon that needs the synergy to be really effective.

I don't see people complaining about being one shot by a shotgun, which if you play enough you know to fear them. I dont see poeple complaining about scrambler rifles charge shot, which again can one shot people. I don't see people complaining that the duvlle assault rifle can now kill you at 90+ meters. I just see a bunch of people complaining about them dying to a weapon that needs to splash you 4 to 6 times minimum just to dent your shields if your shield tanked or have a kill if you are armor tanked.

Please don't get me started on it being a noob tube and not needing any skill. This is shameful coming from assault rifle users, SMG users, HMG users and any other weapon with enough Shots per second to be able to spray and pray, which are most weapons being actively used in the game by percentage. Which if we go by percentage the assault rile still is king and the mass driver is not even second on the list.

So please stop making posts like these. They are shameful and make a big scene about something that is not broken. I am speaking for the mass driver and want nothing to do with the flaylock part of the discussion. May the flaylock user come in and defend their weapon. Me I speak for me And Mine. The mass driver. The weapon that was nerfed to near extinction without so much of a heads up. The weapon that had a thread with thousands of posts without getting a dev response. Stop the nonsense and act like your worth your isk. Change your strategy and HTFU.

The only problem any explosive weapon does is that it hits shield for only 70% damage but blaps armor for 130% damage. Weaponry such as scrambler rifles do 120% to shield and 80% to armor having the damage feel more consistent. Most mass driver kills on the feed are Either kill steals or a flux/mass double wammy which by the way is not necessary to use with any other weapon making the mass driver the only weapon that needs the synergy to be really effective. I would like to add that Mass drivers are already starved for ammo having 19 shots (exo-5 variant) and deplete nanohives in the same way grenades deplete them, very very quickly not even having one full clip on the militia, regular nanohive and the compact variant. Adding these two details, the 30% reduction to shield damage the ammo starvation and the need to use 2 weapons to be able to have the effectivenes of 1 makes the mass driver balanced.

Another thing I see people is saying mass drivers are op but I've said it a thousand times and I will say it again. The main problem I see people having with the mass driver is that point and shoot weapon users love to stay around corners or inside little cargo crates thinking they are safe. All of the sudden a mass driver round pops in there and bashes them and they stay in there not wanting to come out; so naturally they die. I see half dead people crouching and getting killed with splash, of course. What did you expect. I mean I see people run more when a sniper hits them and deny the kill but all of the sudden they get mad because they get killed in a corner they chose to stay around even when receiving damage. So please. Step your game up. I don't see people complaining about being one shot by a shotgun, which if you play enough you know to fear them. I dont see poeple complaining about scrambler rifles charge shot, which again can one shot people. I don't see people complaining that the duvlle assault rifle can now kill you at 90+ meters. I just see a bunch of people complaining about them dying to a weapon that needs to splash you 4 to 6 times minimum just to dent your shields if your shield tanked or have a kill if you are armor tanked.

Please don't get me started on it being a noob tube and not needing any skill. This is shameful coming from assault rifle users, SMG users, HMG users and any other weapon with enough Shots per second to be able to spray and pray, which are most weapons being actively used in the game by percentage. Which if we go by percentage the assault rile still is king and the mass driver is not even second on the list.

So please stop making posts like these. They are shameful and make a big scene about something that is not broken. I am speaking for the mass driver and want nothing to do with the flaylock part of the discussion. May the flaylock user come in and defend their weapon. Me I speak for me And Mine. The mass driver. The weapon that was nerfed to near extinction without so much of a heads up. The weapon that had a thread with thousands of posts without getting a dev response. Stop the nonsense and act like your worth your isk. Change your strategy and HTFU.

Shotguns - It's all about stratigy as if you mess up then you're dead... period.

Scrambler/Sniper rifle - This can only be done by actually lining up your shots and hitting the target. Do you know what happens if you mess up? You get hunted down like a dog and put down. What happens when you miss with a MD? You damage the guy anyway AND you still get a few more rapid shots to kill not only your target but a few of his buddies as well.

It's true that these are "Spray and pray" weapons but think of what would happen if even a skilled player tried to line up there shots on you. You would blow them to hell as you DON'T have to line up your shots and there for they have no chance. The "pray" is not that they hit you but that you DON'T hit them!

Don't like the poste? DON'T F*****G READ IT! You know what it's going to be about b4 you even click on it so if you know it's going to annoy you then just pass it up instead of commenting on it which will, in turn, bump it back to page 1 causing more people to comment and eventually "make a big scene".
`sigh. That felt good

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Okay ALL explosive weapons are 120 to armor and 80 to shields we need to stop spreading lies that it is greater as this just gets armor tankers up in arms. Check out this Dev Blog: [url=http:// http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/]

Back to the OP. The MD is really fine but I understand that people don't like the AOE. It's a mid to close range weapon at best without elevation. Seriously fight these as longer range and they will struggle to hit you even with splash. Now the Flaylock is way OP as splash is 90% of direct dmg with a high ROF, it's the ultimate feet killer.

The Flaylock Pistol and the Mass Driver need
- Reduction of the splash radius to match that of standard level
- Reduction of the splash damage to do 10% and 15% of direct hit respectively


Mass Driver was made with the purpose of being area of denial not an easy mode weapon that you can just flux your enemy and spam 1 ~ 2 rounds to kill it

Explosives 514 can't continue

At the rate those whinner make everything get nerf ...........


I'm starting to wonder if someday instead of bullet we are gonna get flower and rainbow getting out of our Weapon so we can all dance together in this Carebear Paradise.

Remove AR's for a week and force the AR users to try other weapons so they shut up and fix armor tanking. MD problems sloved
Flaylocks have too high of splash damage and ROF.