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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:20:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:hackerzilla wrote:It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.
Adapt or Die
Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
Sure it sacrifices utility, so it can be a super assault. Though I didn't expect much from people of your corp, who abuse flaylocks, contact nades and the such consistently. i.e. you are a bunch of tryhards and will need to HTFU when they nerf all your superweapons i dont use the cal logi or the flaylock......those weapons are not op...its like the OP said they just need to buff everything else. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
942
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:23:00 -
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im curious if people would have initially hate the cal logi so much if armor and shield tanking were balanced.
Something tells me the hate on the cal logi has more to do with hating how much more powerful shield tanking is than armor tanking. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2708
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:26:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:General John Ripper wrote:funny how no one says anymore "cal logi needs to be side arm only" anymore. now that flaylocks are popular everyone has different opinions on how many high/low slots to take away. Not really, I've been hearing people complain about the amount of modules logistics suits get for a long time. CCP puts way too much stock in the value of weapons. They remove the sidearm slot so think it needs to be offset by adding nearly the max amount of highs and lows as well as equipment. Meanwhile the Commando got the sidearm upgraded to a light so it needs to be offset by the removal of nearly ever high and low as well as the grenade. I mean, what the heck? I just don't see why logistics players need more modules than assault players. They should be roughly the same there. It's not just the sidearm, it's base HP, stamina, speed, shield regen/delay, and a yellow target on your chest. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2391
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:26:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:im curious if people would have initially hate the cal logi so much if armor and shield tanking were balanced.
Something tells me the hate on the cal logi has more to do with hating how much more powerful shield tanking is than armor tanking. All Cal logi hate stems from it having a higher EHP than the Assault suit, nothing to do with shields vs armor. Gallente assaults could use some love though... |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
37
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:hackerzilla wrote:It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.
Adapt or Die
Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
dude I would love to see my Assault suit buffed to where I have about 1K EHP that dwarfs you logi suit like the ***** ass shield tankers wet dream that it is. Real men Armour tank AND REALER MEN HULL TANK! Real men max out their armor and max out damage mods for insta kills on the duvolle! Thats what i do |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2392
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:29:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:True Adamance wrote:hackerzilla wrote:It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.
Adapt or Die
Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
dude I would love to see my Assault suit buffed to where I have about 1K EHP that dwarfs you logi suit like the ***** ass shield tankers wet dream that it is. Real men Armour tank AND REALER MEN HULL TANK! Real men max out their armor and max out damage mods for insta kills on the duvolle! Thats what i do Real men use scout suits and don't strafe. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
942
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:35:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:im curious if people would have initially hate the cal logi so much if armor and shield tanking were balanced.
Something tells me the hate on the cal logi has more to do with hating how much more powerful shield tanking is than armor tanking. All Cal logi hate stems from it having a higher EHP than the Assault suit, nothing to do with shields vs armor. Gallente assaults could use some love though...
Its not that much different.. for a cal logi to get more EHP than an assault suit they have to go full tank.. meaning no increased damage at all and they are quite a bit slower and lack a sidearm. They also have a lot less recharge than cal assaults.
Honestly.. cal assault is better than cal logi at assaulting. I've used both. Skilled players running cal logi can pub stomp just as well as though.. but thats not an issue with suit balance and more an issue with matchmaking. Even then, if its truly an issue.. toning down the shield bonus to 3% would probably fix that.
Honestly... go into PC and cal logi is not OP.
The only thing Cal Logi can do better than Cal assault is speed shotgun (the additional low slot lets us fit a second complex kin cat which makes us faster than assault with 1 kin cat). That could be easily changed with other less drastic methods.
Like variable sta recharge delay, or normalizing CPU/PG for both classes while giving an equipment CPU/PG reduction to logis (meaning we can't have that second kin cat and 5 shield extenders at the same time, and the base hp on assaults wins out). |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
37
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:36:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Marston VC wrote:hackerzilla wrote:It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.
Adapt or Die
Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit? IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields. Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level? NO they don't...... lol you live with the choices you make man. You specced into a logistics suit..... if it gets changed in a way were its more "logi" oriented and you don't like it then TOO bad. Everyone specced into the TAC rifle, but its not like they got a respec because it sucked after it got nerfed..... (people did but that was for ENTIRELY different reasons). The tac, i just specced into it and i love it! Like a month ago ppl were always using it. So i tried it out. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
105
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:23:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:hackerzilla wrote:It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.
Adapt or Die
Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
Sure it sacrifices utility, so it can be a super assault. Though I didn't expect much from people of your corp, who abuse flaylocks, contact nades and the such consistently. i.e. you are a bunch of tryhards and will need to HTFU when they nerf all your superweapons What are you talking about? Superweapons? Abuse falylocks? Conact nades?
Pretty sure you just got stomped by the average ammount of 6 players on most of the time. Adapt or die |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
105
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:46:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:hackerzilla wrote:It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.
Adapt or Die
Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
Sure it sacrifices utility, so it can be a super assault. Though I didn't expect much from people of your corp, who abuse flaylocks, contact nades and the such consistently. i.e. you are a bunch of tryhards and will need to HTFU when they nerf all your superweapons How did you conclude that? |
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Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:49:00 -
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Cal Logi is fine as is stop crying. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
947
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:53:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Cal Logi is fine as is stop crying.
The waves of tears from the militia wearing pub players will still probably break through our supposedly several hundred thousand shields and cause a nerf from CCP anyways though. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:56:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cal Logi is fine as is stop crying. The waves of tears from the militia wearing pub players will still probably break through our supposedly several hundred thousand shields and cause a nerf from CCP anyways though.
Which is why I will be working on another suit just in case these whiners think the suit makes me. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
947
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:58:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cal Logi is fine as is stop crying. The waves of tears from the militia wearing pub players will still probably break through our supposedly several hundred thousand shields and cause a nerf from CCP anyways though. Which is why I will be working on another suit just in case these whiners think the suit makes me.
Pretty much... once I get complex cardiac regs it'll be time to start saving for cal assault I think. I should have proto cal assault around this time next year. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
418
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:02:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cal Logi is fine as is stop crying. The waves of tears from the militia wearing pub players will still probably break through our supposedly several hundred thousand shields and cause a nerf from CCP anyways though. Which is why I will be working on another suit just in case these whiners think the suit makes me. Pretty much... once I get complex cardiac regs it'll be time to start saving for cal assault I think. I should have proto cal assault around this time next year. I'm about to do the same damn thing. Better platform for proto swarms, TAC AR, sniper fit, or just running around shooting people anyway and only 2.5mil SP /shrug. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:03:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cal Logi is fine as is stop crying. The waves of tears from the militia wearing pub players will still probably break through our supposedly several hundred thousand shields and cause a nerf from CCP anyways though. Which is why I will be working on another suit just in case these whiners think the suit makes me. Pretty much... once I get complex cardiac regs it'll be time to start saving for cal assault I think. I should have proto cal assault around this time next year.
I like the logi suits but you are right should prob go into Assault suits wish CCP would just get a grip on what the hell this game is gonna be. It just crazy what we spec into today isn't what we get tomorrow cause they just keep flopping the suits back and forth when we smash their corps in PC or anything else. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
949
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:13:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:I like the logi suits but you are right should prob go into Assault suits wish CCP would just get a grip on what the hell this game is gonna be. It just crazy what we spec into today isn't what we get tomorrow cause they just keep flopping the suits back and forth when we smash their corps in PC or anything else.
I really enjoy the logi suit... get up close in combat while still dropping nanohives, needles, etc... its awesome. I actually play the role that the cal logi was intended for... frontline logistics.
But hey who knows... we've had 2 months with it so far... it'll stick around for at least as long as it takes remnant to rewrite the racial bonuses... so we still have some time. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:I like the logi suits but you are right should prob go into Assault suits wish CCP would just get a grip on what the hell this game is gonna be. It just crazy what we spec into today isn't what we get tomorrow cause they just keep flopping the suits back and forth when we smash their corps in PC or anything else. I really enjoy the logi suit... get up close in combat while still dropping nanohives, needles, etc... its awesome. I actually play the role that the cal logi was intended for... frontline logistics. But hey who knows... we've had 2 months with it so far... it'll stick around for at least as long as it takes remnant to rewrite the racial bonuses... so we still have some time.
Ya they can change the Cal logi bonus as long as it's something helpful and not just a waist like rep needle that is something I don't use. It needs to be something helpful regardless of weapon choice. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
949
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:17:00 -
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knowing CCP its gonna be something completely useless.
Like nanohive nanite capacity or something embarrassing like that.
oh and they're gonna remove a low and high slot but not give us a 4th equip slot... just for the lulz. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
105
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:21:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:knowing CCP its gonna be something completely useless.
Like nanohive nanite capacity or something embarrassing like that.
oh and they're gonna remove a low and high slot but not give us a 4th equip slot... just for the lulz. Completely agreed
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
960
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:31:00 -
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i've posted it before... but imo the best way to fix cal logis is to completely redo the racial bonuses.
First give base rep rates for the suits: Cal 2 Min 3 Amarr 4 Gal 5
Then Logi Bonus: CPU/PG reduc on equipment
Reduce our CPU/PG to same as assaults.
Cal Logi: 4% Shield Extenders Gal Logi: 4% Armor Plates Amarr Logi: 3% Shield Extenders and Armor Plates (reduced slot count and move speed justifies more bonus imo) Min Logi: 4% Biotics Modules
If that... on its own.. is still not enough we can move the 4th low slot on cal logis into equip slot.
Now those sound like awesome and exciting logi bonuses to me. I can't imagine many people will be complaining about the Cal Logi being OP then? But you see how I've hardly changed the bonus?
Then nerf damage on all light weapons by 10% and increase assault base shield recharge by 25%
Assault bonus: 2% damage Cal Assault: 2% Reload Speed Gal Assault: 10% Armor Plate Penalty reduction Amarr Assault: Laser Weaponry Min Assault: 3% L/S clip capacity.
Logis will be high EHP themed, Assaults will be high damage/combat themed. Then Heavies and Scouts can be rebalanced separately against medium suits.
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Iyllaria Dai
prophecy of the fallen
0
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Posted - 2013.07.17 03:31:00 -
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Aww yet another QQ thread on Cal Logi's.
First, being a Logi role who's job function is to rep and res while under fire, we should have more EHP.
Next, if you really want to compare the Logi and Assault suits, let's also compare cost to fit. It costs significantly more to fit a proto Cal Logi than its counterpart Assault with little incentive to go that route for an assault role.
Even stacking 5 Shield and 4 Armor mods, snatch the shield away and Cal Logis are just a squishy as scouts are.
Everyone complains about the Cal Logi's unless they have one backing them up with a rep tool and injectors.
So someone posted agreeing it was balanced, but easier to change one suit than fix the rest. So you want them to further break the game nstead of fixing the overwhelming issues because you don't like the balance of the Cal Logi?
The only reason it is being called "OP" is because it's suit and race bonus makes sense and benefits the suit. So instead of fixing the other suits to match, let's break the Cal suit because it's "OP"..
Makes sense right?
As long as there are games, there will be QQ'ing from people..
Also to the one who said they have 3.2 mil sp on Cal Logi and 11+ on Cal Ass, if you think Logi is better at that point than your assault, then perhaps you really should give up assault because you suck at it. @ 6-7 mil SP it is just getting into mid level Proto. I have Proto Wpn, Proto Suit, and mid level Rep, Hive, Inject, DL skills. Along with the needed skils to make the suit work such as shield and armor.
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