DUST Search - Cal Logi isn't OP...

Marston VC wrote:

Xero The Mishima wrote:

Marston VC wrote:

hackerzilla wrote:

It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot.

Adapt or Die

Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.

Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit?

IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields.

Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level?

NO they don't...... lol you live with the choices you make man. You specced into a logistics suit..... if it gets changed in a way were its more "logi" oriented and you don't like it then TOO bad. Everyone specced into the TAC rifle, but its not like they got a respec because it sucked after it got nerfed..... (people did but that was for ENTIRELY different reasons).

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hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 102	Posted - 2013.07.16 00:10:00 - [1] - Quote It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE.
Alpha 443-6732 Not Guilty EoN. 28	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:05:00 - [2] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Sure it sacrifices utility, so it can be a super assault. Though I didn't expect much from people of your corp, who abuse flaylocks, contact nades and the such consistently. i.e. you are a bunch of tryhards and will need to HTFU when they nerf all your superweapons
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 933	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:11:00 - [3] - Quote I actually sacrifices 1 equipment slot for 1 low slot and thats it. Otherwise it maintains the same 8 slot config that the other non-amarr logis have. Some say the shield extender bonus is OP... but its one of the few relevant bonuses in this game. Its not balanced in its current state, I won't argue that anymore... however I think the problem lies in the fact that most racial bonuses for all non cal-logi suits suck balls, not that the cal logi's bonus is ridiculously OP.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 269	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Sure it sacrifices utility, so it can be a super assault. Though I didn't expect much from people of your corp, who abuse flaylocks, contact nades and the such consistently. i.e. you are a bunch of tryhards and will need to HTFU when they nerf all your superweapons I've never seen this corp I feel I've been gone for to long but I said I'd wait for dust to come to the ps4 and I'm a man of my word soo has ccp hinted towards that happening?
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 570	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:19:00 - [5] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Ahem, Amarr Logistics would like to have a word with you. We sacrifice utility and mod slots and get nothing in return until we reach prototype.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 146	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:29:00 - [6] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Don't take my crutch away Someone must be seeing a nerfhammer coming.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 269	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:37:00 - [7] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: hackerzilla wrote: Don't take my crutch away Someone must be seeing a nerfhammer coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhNE8Lt3XYE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 720	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:41:00 - [8] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. dude I would love to see my Assault suit buffed to where I have about 1K EHP that dwarfs you logi suit like the ***** ass shield tankers wet dream that it is. Real men Armour tank AND REALER MEN HULL TANK!
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 337	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:59:00 - [9] - Quote This guy <_< >_>
Sgt Buttscratch Z.G.R.B 498	Posted - 2013.07.16 04:26:00 - [10] - Quote No cal logi is out of tune, for absolute definate. Mine has 3.2million SP, and perfroms better than my 11.2million SP Gallente assault

Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 126	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:13:00 - [11] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Adapt or Die Read: 'Ignore awful game design.'
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4995	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:04:00 - [12] - Quote Pretty idiotic. With all skills maxed out: A prototype Caldari logi can tank more HP while holding a Duvolle AR than an prototype heavy sentinel with a boundless HMG, AND the Cal logi is still faster than the sentinel when they are both fully tanked like that. They need to lose a low slot, and gain an equipment slot at prototype level; they have 9 module slot, coupled with the shield extender bonus makes their HP far too much. In depth analysis of all the racial logis compared to each other, and their assault counterparts, and solutions. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93653 "Adapt or Die" = "I don't want to lose my OP crutch" Last time I checked, their role wasn't meant to be faster heavies.
DeeJay One BetaMax. CRONOS. 65	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:18:00 - [13] - Quote They seem ridiculously OP because hardly anyone uses scrambler rifles on them. When their shields go down you can easily finish them of with a sidearm ;)
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:19:00 - [14] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. 1 Flux and it's "OPness" is NOTHING. HS fluxes me all the time. Makes fights hard for me being "OP"
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4995	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:26:00 - [15] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: They seem ridiculously OP because hardly anyone uses scrambler rifles on them. When their shields go down you can easily finish them of with a sidearm ;) The fact that something is weak against a particular weapon doesn't mean much if everything else also has a weakness. With all skills maxed out a prototype Caldari logi can tank more HP while holding a Duvolle AR than an prototype heavy sentinel with a boundless HMG, and the Cal logi is still faster than the sentinel when they are both fully tanked like that.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 581	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:40:00 - [16] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit?
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:41:00 - [17] - Quote Marston VC wrote: hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit? IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields. Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level?
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 581	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:43:00 - [18] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: They seem ridiculously OP because hardly anyone uses scrambler rifles on them. When their shields go down you can easily finish them of with a sidearm ;) I use Prototype assault scrambler rifles, Two complex damage mods and level 4 proficiency. That adds up to over 50 damage per shot towards shields, and TRUST ME...... it doesn't make a big difference. This is the only assault suit that i treat like a heavy simply because it feels like im shooting at a super fast heavy. Which is essentially what is happening when I come across a calogi.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 581	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:45:00 - [19] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Marston VC wrote: hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit? IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields. Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level? NO they don't...... lol you live with the choices you make man. You specced into a logistics suit..... if it gets changed in a way were its more "logi" oriented and you don't like it then TOO bad. Everyone specced into the TAC rifle, but its not like they got a respec because it sucked after it got nerfed..... (people did but that was for ENTIRELY different reasons).
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:47:00 - [20] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: Marston VC wrote: hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit? IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields. Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level? NO they don't...... lol you live with the choices you make man. You specced into a logistics suit..... if it gets changed in a way were its more "logi" oriented and you don't like it then TOO bad. Everyone specced into the TAC rifle, but its not like they got a respec because it sucked after it got nerfed..... (people did but that was for ENTIRELY different reasons). Well IF they don't fix it too damn bad that you aren't spec into it. Since you wanna be a Ahole about it keep whining and getting smashed.

Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 281	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:51:00 - [21] - Quote I disagree with you, OP. The suit is OP. 5 high slots, 4 low slots.... sure it only has 3 EQ slots (similar to the Amarr, which doesn't get anything until the sidearm at proto level) but I don't see very many Cal Logis.... I see assaults in Cal Logi suits, so those EQ slots.... it could be 2 and I doubt many of the super logi assaults would even notice. Sure, you can take down the shields with a flux grenade - IF you can get close enough. Those duvolle's w/ damage mods hit pretty hard (and you still have 4 complex shield extenders). There are various ways to fix this, including the racial bonus, changing the slot count.... If we get a respec from this.... how ironic that the FOTM players will be upset their fit is no longer OP and they demand the ability to move to another FOTM fit.... oh the justice. I have some flux grenades on most of my fits, not that I can get close enough to a squad of super bumble bee "logi's" to make them worth a damn.... I know one dude that runs an actual logistic caldari suit, and man let me tell you playing with him is such a breath of fresh air...
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:53:00 - [22] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: I disagree with you, OP. The suit is OP. 5 high slots, 4 low slots.... sure it only has 3 EQ slots (similar to the Amarr, which doesn't get anything until the sidearm at proto level) but I don't see very many Cal Logis.... I see assaults in Cal Logi suits, so those EQ slots.... it could be 2 and I doubt many of the super logi assaults would even notice. Sure, you can take down the shields with a flux grenade - IF you can get close enough. Those duvolle's w/ damage mods hit pretty hard (and you still have 4 complex shield extenders). There are various ways to fix this, including the racial bonus, changing the slot count.... If we get a respec from this.... how ironic that the FOTM players will be upset their fit is no longer OP and they demand the ability to move to another FOTM fit.... oh the justice. I have some flux grenades on most of my fits, not that I can get close enough to a squad of super bumble bee "logi's" to make them worth a damn.... I use Shotgun with my "OP" suit.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 281	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:56:00 - [23] - Quote My guess is that you are in the minority. Are you running Kin/Cats and stamina mods? Do you still have 5 slots for sheild tanking or damage mods? I run shotgun with my OP standard scout suit. I got 1 High slot, 2 low slots, no innate armor rep or shield bonus and ~250 HP. So yeah.... your "OP" suit is actually OP... with no quotes.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2013.07.16 07:00:00 - [24] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: My guess is that you are in the minority. Are you running Kin/Cats and stamina mods? Do you still have 5 slots for sheild tanking or damage mods? I run shotgun with my OP standard scout suit. I got 1 High slot, 2 low slots, no innate armor rep or shield bonus and ~250 HP. So yeah.... your "OP" suit is actually OP... with no quotes. Not my fault you chose that suit? So all Logi is supposed to be penalized cause our ability to read? It's none of your business what I run on MY shotgun build.
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 39	Posted - 2013.07.16 07:01:00 - [25] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Marston VC wrote: hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit? IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields. Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level? Ha!! Don't make me laugh you and everybody else who chose to take the band wagon made their choices now you're going to have to deal with those choices. Besides CCP stated that there will be NO MORE respecs maybe you should have thought this all out before taking the easy way out. I'm not one tosay this but this time I just couldn't resist: ADAPT OR DIE!!! TROLOLOLOL
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2013.07.16 07:02:00 - [26] - Quote I have been working on another suit anyway so even IF CCP breaks the suit into pieces It won't change a thing for me I just really enjoy the Caldari for it's PG and CPU allows me to fit more and is no doubt the best shield tank suit in my opinion although Minmatar Logi suit is just as strong and I could build up the Gallente Logi into a pretty mean suit as well. So it really doesn't matter the Logi suits are the fit for me. I played Scout when it was a challenge in Chromosome you all are crying and whining cause you enjoyed it's speed exploit now that they can be hit you are on the same playing field.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2013.07.16 07:04:00 - [27] - Quote Echoist wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: Marston VC wrote: hackerzilla wrote: It's not. It sacrifices utility, unlike other logis, and adds more 1 more high slot/ 1 more low slot. Adapt or Die Btw CCP shouldn't nerf the cal logi they should just buff other suits, so they ACTUALLY FILL THEIR ROLE. Yeah.... you better adapt when they nerf the hell out of your god suit. IDC what you say, you can have 670 shields on your Pseudo assault/god suit and that's more then any other suit in game (except for perhaps an advanced heavy suit......). Maybe some of the other people are right, maybe the other suits are just underpowered due to lack of relevant racial bonuses. But should every suit be brought up to the standards of one suit? or should one suit be brought down to the standard of every other suit? IF they change the suit drastically they will need to give us reset. A huge % of population uses this suit and we used it because it has 5H to shield tank. For a shield tanker it's CLEARLY the best option. I honestly don't think it's OP at all there are things put in the game made to destroy shields. Changing the bonus is fine with me. As long as it's something that is helpful and not just a waist. maybe 2% movement speed every level? ADAPT OR DIE!!! TROLOLOLOL Didn't I already smash your corp when you attacked our friends? Wasn't it your corp that made a thread crying for advice because you got ROFL stomped? I rest my case... btw ADAPT or DIE.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 281	Posted - 2013.07.16 07:07:00 - [28] - Quote I never said it was my business dude. And I'm not unhappy with my suit at all..... I'm certainly not blaming you for anything.... I still think the suit is OP relative to many other suits. It's adaptability is clearly far and above many other suits designed for other specialties (in your example, shotgunning). If you are content with your clear advantage relative to many others on the filed, and you don't think it's OP relative to the competition.... that's your feeling and I respect it. I'm not saying your build is bad or whatever.... and I don't begrudge you your suit to use and have fun with as you see fit. But, it's OP dude. I have a snowballs chance in hell of taking you down 1 on 1 with any proto scout shotgun suit. Or any assault suit. Maybe any OTHER log suit.... I may get a lucky shot or get the drop on you occasionally but realistically, if I want to compete with you in a super logi/shotgun build... .I'd need to run that fit. That, to me, is OP....
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2013.07.16 07:10:00 - [29] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: I never said it was my business dude. And I'm not unhappy with my suit at all..... I'm certainly not blaming you for anything.... I still think the suit is OP relative to many other suits. It's adaptability is clearly far and above many other suits designed for other specialties (in your example, shotgunning). If you are content with your clear advantage relative to many others on the filed, and you don't think it's OP relative to the competition.... that's your feeling and I respect it. I'm not saying your build is bad or whatever.... and I don't begrudge you your suit to use and have fun with as you see fit. But, it's OP dude. I have a snowballs chance in hell of taking you down 1 on 1 with any proto scout shotgun suit. Or any assault suit. Maybe any OTHER log suit.... I may get a lucky shot or get the drop on you occasionally but realistically, if I want to compete with you in a super logi/shotgun build... .I'd need to run that fit. That, to me, is OP.... I wouldn't say it's OP... I die and I kill people using it. In Hellstorm wars they have no problem fluxing me. You make it sound like you put on the suit and you can start twirling around in tornadoes and have a green face and pull out all kinds of guns. Doesn't work that way it's a Caldari logi suit not 'The Mask'
xSir Campsalotx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 20	Posted - 2013.07.16 09:09:00 - [30] - Quote I say no damage mods on logis, make them .5-.7m/s slower than their assualt counterpart, require equipment slots to be filled with higher or same meta level as their light weapon. That way you can't run a duvolle without running a pro rep tool, hives, needle etc and if you do your tank will suffer severely no way can they assualt proper but they will be able to tank stay in fight longer (to heal, revive, restock) . Plus 1 high slot for 1 equipment seems reasonable. Min logi has 4hi 4low 4eq, cal logi has 5hi 4low 3eq. Besides I think with these rules in place you just couldn't a slayer logi without severely gimped tank. My brothers set up 5complex extenders 4 basic armor plates Toxin assualt rifle Pro rep tool Adv hives (working on pro) Adv needle Needless to say not a slayer but a well tanked medium suit that can heal, give ammo, revive under fire and fight back as a last result or when ppl are good on life. This guy may win in a 1vs 1 but not likely due to slow speed, little weapon damage (std AR), and lack of sidearm.



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